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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:35 PM
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Saudi gang-rape victim is jailed
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 02:36 PM by LSK
An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped.

The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.

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According to the Arab News newspaper, the 19-year-old woman, who is from Saudi Arabia's Shia minority, was gang-raped 14 times in an attack in the eastern province a year-and-a-half ago.

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But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:39 PM
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1. These bastards are supposedly "our" Allies dontcha know
:eyes:

What a disgusting set of standards the Saudi's have....a woman is brutalized by a gang-rape and SHE gets PUNISHED! WTF?!

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:44 PM
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3. It gets worse
in the Middle East, female rape victims are usually disowned by their families.

that is, if they aren't outright killed for bringing 'dishonor' to the family.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:16 PM
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4. Yeah
I've read about that happening.

Those people are so FU.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:36 PM
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7. Look around you. There are those right here
who would like to see American women in the same position.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:41 PM
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8. Really? You see that?
People who would torture a woman who has been gangraped? I missed that story in the papers. I've got no love for the fundies of any religion but I'll take ours over theirs any day of the week - I'd like even one example of someone voted into our government who ran on such a platform.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:41 PM
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9. oh for the love of rationality
so the fuck what? Yes, there's nut case wingnut fundies. Always have been, probably always will be, but they don't even dare say they'd like to women bruatalized for being raped- that's how culturally uaacceptable such a notion is.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:12 PM
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17. I know that there
Are the Christian Fundamentalists, who some of which, would like a return to Draconian measures, such as stoning to death for Homosexuality, Adultery et al....I believe that section of Fundie-ism are called The Dominionists.

However, I don't even think that the Fundies are sick enough to believe that gang-raping women and/or punishing a woman who's been gang-raped is in ANY way socially acceptable.

So, with all due respect, I think your comments are slightly a bit over-the-top.

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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:25 PM
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22. And ten years ago, suggesting that the government would
be funding church charities was considered 'slightly a bit over-the-top'.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:19 PM
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21. Yeah!
Wouldn't it be COOL if your daughter and your sister moved there?! They'd get to wear those cool robes right over their faces, and they wouldn't have to drive anymore!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:11 PM
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16. Yep
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:43 PM
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2. Jesus, this bit was rich

When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.



And the Hatfield-McCoy aspect can't be ignored, either:

The attackers' sentences - originally of up to five years - were doubled.

...

Seven men from the majority Sunni community were found guilty of the rape and sentenced to prison terms ranging from just under a year to five years.

...The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty.

The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.

The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.



You have to wonder what sort of perverse mind can come up with these sorts of 'judicial' rulings?

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:18 PM
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5. When someone in Saudi Arabia is caught
Stealing, they chop their hands off.

How about chopping the genitalia off rapists? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:52 PM
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10. I'm all in favor
of doing that right HERE.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:14 PM
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18. Yeah I favor that too, I prefer just
Expanding the Death Penalty though and executing Multiple Rapists.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:57 PM
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12. But she's "just a woman." The value of the person is not the same over there.
It's HER fault, you see, for flaunting herself around without her male relative-protector to accompany her.

The old "She brought it on herself" argument.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:19 PM
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20. That's exactly how these sick MoFo's see it
The woman brought this on herself.

There have been cases in Western nations, where a woman's been raped and some moronic and sexist Judge has referenced that said woman was "wearing a short skirt" or whatever, therefore bringing and/or encouraging herself to get raped.

Disgusting.

The Saudi's though, like in many ME nations, treat women like shit in general, these are our so-called "Allies" and they treat women like Second-Class citizens and slaves.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:20 PM
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6. Sharia Law meets Fascism, Corruption and Misogyny. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:04 PM
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13. Actually--and no one will like this, but it is true--this is Sharia Law meets the 18th/19th Century
Which for them, is the jazzy, MODERN era.

If you were going to take this to the max, in the most 'fundamental'--forgive the expression--manner, they all should have been killed. In the public square. As a warning to others.

Seriously!

Off with their heads!! Carnal knowledge is a no-no!

I'm astounded that they punished the men at all, really. Often, the 'excuse' is that the woman was a 'temptress' and the poor man could not control himself.

In this case though, I think there was more going on to produce that verdict, and they knew about these other issues (prostitution, perhaps, and a bunch of cheap buddies wanting to jump on the woman that their buddy contracted) but did not want to admit it, because they can't acknowledge that prostitution exists in SA. It could also be that one (or more) of the rapists is related, albeit distantly, to someone with a bit of clout. His daddy will be indebted to some Saudi royal for the rest of his life, as will he....even a decade in jail beats having your head sliced off.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:13 PM
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11. Assholes. I don't even have words. nt
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:08 PM
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14. Just curious - does this occur in "moderate" Islamic countries such as Egypt?
I don't see this as so much of an Islamic issue than a cultural issue, one that seems stuck in medieval times when women were viewed as property.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:09 PM
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15. This is sick sick sick
Sounds like a case of 'Sharia law meets authoritarian government giving people additional punishments for bringing bad media publicity.'
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:18 PM
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19. GW Boosh's great allies in spreading freedom and democracy!!
The dictatorships of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan!!

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:42 PM
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23. Just for good measure
"...The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case,
has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session."


Good God, where does the insanity of this case end?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:53 PM
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24. You won't hear Busholini condemng this.
He did say that beheading is barbaric but never mentioned that his good friends the Saudi Royals
should stop this method of execution.
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