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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:42 PM
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Hillary's "BOLD FACED LIES"
That whole neocon crap Hillary is trying to sell, about Iran infiltrating in Iraq and Fueling the insurgency? Damn! No Mention of the Saudi factor? She Sounds Just Like Cheney!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:43 PM
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1. The expression is 'bald -faced' lies. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:45 PM
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4. Are you saying Hillary Clinton is bald? n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:48 PM
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7. LOLOLOL!!!!!
:rofl:


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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:40 PM
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22. But was originally "bold-faced lie"
bald-faced lie

An idiom that means, ostensibly, an untruth with no hair on its face, and refers to a particularly egregious lie. As amusing as this mental image is, it's incorrect. Well, I shouldn't say that--after all, usage determines meaning--but it's not the original intent of the phrase. The original phrase was "bold-faced lie." Before you picture a lie with fluorescent clown makeup (oops, too late!), you should know that this refers to printing. As in, boldface type. But a bold-faced lie is not just "any lie which has been printed in bold face," e.g.


http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1016783



I still call butterflies flutterbys, too. :D
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:29 PM
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25. No - it IS "bold-face lies." - Not "bald"....
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 11:32 PM by democrat2thecore
Many people, incorrectly, say, "bald face" - it is bold, as in bold face type.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1016783
(Among many other places)

edit: add link
2nd edit: Someone already addressed this - sorry.
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:45 PM
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26. Bald-faced isn't "incorrect".
Both are actually correct, and are for the most part interchangable although they have slightly different meanings.


I checked these on Westlaw. "Barefaced lie" is just a special case of "barefaced." From 1800: "Is there any instance in which strict law will suffer its rules and provisions to be eluded by such bareface subterfuge?" Mayo v. Bentley, 8 Va. (4 Call) 528 (1800). For "barefaced lie" specifically, here's an 1844 use:

>>The first count . . . avers, that in this conversation the defendant uttered of the plaintiff these false and scandalous words: "Hunter swore a point blank lie to clear William Sally of stealing honey." The second count . . . charges the words spoken to be: "Joe Hunter swore a barefaced lie on Sally's case."<<

Palmer v. Hunter, 8 Mo. 512 (1844).
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0303A&L=ads-l&P=13114


"Bald-faced" was a reasonably common term in the 19th century in reference to animals. I suppose that it means having a white face (although when I lived on a farm, we just referred to these animals as "white-face"). The earliest use I've seen as a synonym for "barefaced" is from 1893: "Courts of justice cannot be expected to sanction such bald-faced wrong." Mann v. Poole, 40 S.C. 1, 18 S.E. 145, 149 (1893).

For "bald-faced lie" specifically, the earliest use was in a 1961 trial (quoted in a 1965 court opinion): "We've been talking about inconsistency and contradictions but Mr. Collins told us a bald faced lie right here in the courtroom." Collins v. Shishido, 48 Haw. 411, 419, 405 P.2d 323, 329 (1965). Since then, however, it seems to have become fairly common. There were 61 uses of "bald-faced lie" (including variants of "bald-faced") since 1970, compared to only 8 uses of "barefaced lie."

The truth is this: both are used, and so is barefaced. Bald-faced is the newest term; its first known print appearance dates back only 62 years, to 1943. Bold-faced is some four centuries older than that, dating to 1591. Although you might guess bald-faced developed out of a mishearing of bold-faced, the meanings of the two adjectives are not synonymous. Bold-faced means "bold in manner or conduct; impudent"; bald-faced has the same meaning as barefaced: "open; unconcealed"; and "having or showing a lack of scruples."
John Baker
http://www.mtannoyances.com/?p=384

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:44 PM
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2. She's scary ... really scary.
So damned much of what she's saying sounds JUST LIKE JUNIOR WHEN HE WAS CAMPAIGNING!! Remember ... Junior was every bit as self-congratulatory and mealy-mouthed in 2000!!

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:45 PM
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5. Yep
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:52 PM
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8. It REALLY hurts to see it, though. Really.
I'm an Affirmative Action kinda guy. When the merits are EQUAL, the tie goes to the woman or minority. I WANT her (or Obama) to do just as well ... and I'd be right there. But she ISN'T. No matter how it's spun, she's corporate. On position after position, she cozies up to the corporate interests ... at the COST of working people!! That hurts.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:59 PM
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14. Oh yeah
And you don't know how it breaks my heart that when there's finally a viable female candidate for president, I just can't support her.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:06 PM
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17. Me too. Me too.
That hurts. Even as a male, I've been an internal activist in EVERY corporation in which I've worked for VALUING diversity. Fuck "tolerance"! It's to be embraced and treasured ... and I really think it's long past time. But she's a sell-out. I couldn't vote for her anymore than I could vote for Katherine Harris. That's agonizing to me.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:26 PM
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24. Thank you. My sentiments also....nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:55 PM
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11. throw in the Potemkin town meetings
and the name calling (BASHERS!) and you've got Bush II
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:01 PM
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15. It's tragic, imho.
I detest the "defenders" who're so quick to try to 'protect' her from the hard questions. SHE NEEDS NO SUCH PROTECTION! It perpetuates (like a mime) the notion that she need to be protected "because she's a girl." Gawd! If anything sets back equal opportunity it's that detestible pretense. She's HURTING women! She's HURING our progress as a society with the pretense.

She's doing kabuki ... a Potemkin campaign. The equivocation and weasel-wording makes me want to puke.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:58 PM
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13. Very Scary TN!
why the fuck folks are not seeing the 'neoconishness' of Hill is frightening!

:scared:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:11 PM
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19. "neoconishness"? WTF is that? You realize that you're coming accross like a leftwing
Bill O'Riely?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:44 PM
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3. "bold faced lies"?
:rofl:


Are you saying there's NO Iranian influence in Iraq? That would be surprising.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:46 PM
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6. Perhaps so, but Iran hasn't taken Iraq to the gates of hell.....
That distinction belongs to the United States. :think:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:53 PM
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9. I prefer my lies in italics
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:55 PM
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10. sans serif or serif?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:57 PM
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12. iran is fueling the insurgency?
i think the united states is responsible for that. hillary is a fool,no ,she`s a tool...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:04 PM
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16. Well...they like her answer at neocon central...
HILLARY CLINTON

Stop the Presses, a Hillary Answer I Like.

Hillary: "The Iranian Revolutionary Guards are helping the groups attacking our troops in Iraq. I believe they are a terrorist group. Sanctioning them, and putting pressure on them, is the right way to get them to the negotiating table."

I liked that answer.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJlNDc4NjRiYjdhNzlmNGFlMmQyN2ZhMzQ0OTJmYzI=

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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:07 PM
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18. What's with the "BOLD FACED LIES" quote? Who are you quoting?
Yourself?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:13 PM
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20. Mike Gravel
Not that you actually care. I have given you Many Hillary quotes YOU IGNORE! So wtf? why should I give you any links as you seem to ignore them altogether?
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:27 PM
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21. would probably be an eye opener
to take time and find archive and listen to gravel's
play by play of debate tonight

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:09 PM
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23. Hillary will be the president of the top 6%.
She calls the top 6% "The Middle Class", and thinks they need protection.
The rest of will get a bi-partisan commission.
That would be laughable if I wasn't afraid she will get the nomination.
I AM glad that Obama nailed her on that LIE.

Hillary would rather PLANT questions than answer them!
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