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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:14 PM
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If I were in Iraq, I would be so fokken happy to hear about the vote in the House today!


This photo would look like the gods coming from the clouds to me.

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:27 PM
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1. What good does it do to stop anything? n/t
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:30 PM
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2. We must cease the carnage!
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:36 PM
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4. But how does this do that?
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 05:36 PM by RestoreGore
And if a piece of paper can do that, then this should have been a resolution to impeach the bastards. I only see this as political powerplaying for the next election. Pass a resolution to rescind the IWR and send the troops home. Then they will be doing something. This is just a gesture.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:42 PM
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6. You're right that that's what it is at the moment.
But as I said elsewhere, if it encourages the Dems and vulnerable Republics to keep voting against the war, it's going to have a real effect before long. It looks like Murtha is going to put prohibiting action against Iran on the table, and Pelosi is saying she (and by implication, the majority) will be putting conditions on all spending bills before them.

Today, the signs are good if you want the war over. Of course it could change, but today, at least, the signs are good.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:33 PM
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9. As frustrating as it is, in politics you gotta walk before you run.
At least we're FINALLY frickin' walking in the right direction.

Course, don't let that stop you from pounding on your Reps relentlessly to demand an immediate and final end to IraqNam. (See 800 numbers below...)

NGU.


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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:32 PM
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3. It's not what the vote itself does.
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 05:33 PM by BurtWorm
It's what Dems and Republics are saying about what it portends.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/15/AR2007021500876.html?nav=rss_politics

Pelosi Backs War Funds Only With Conditions
Equipment, Training For Troops Would Face New Standards

By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, February 16, 2007; A01

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) yesterday linked her support for President Bush's war-funding request to strict standards of resting, training and equipping combat forces, a move that could curtail troop deployments and alter the course of U.S. involvement in Iraq.

The pledge came as Congress appears ready to assert its authority in matters of war and diplomacy, down to decisions that the White House believes to be the domain solely of the president as commander in chief: the deployment and training of military forces.

The House is to vote today on a nonbinding resolution disapproving of Bush's decision to deploy more than 21,000 additional troops to Iraq. Also, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced a rare Saturday vote to begin debate on the House resolution.

Congressional Democrats signaled a willingness to directly challenge and curtail Bush's warmaking powers, a move that will almost certainly spark a legal or constitutional confrontation. Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), a Pelosi ally, is rewriting the president's spending request to limit Bush's options in prosecuting the war, and Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said he will seek to repeal the 2002 congressional authorization for Bush to wage war in Iraq and substitute legislation that would narrow the mission of troops there and begin to bring some home.

"If we are going to support our troops, we should respect what is considered reasonable for them: their training, their equipment and their time at home," Pelosi said in an interview with a small group of reporters. "What we're trying to say to the president is, you can't send people in who are not trained for urban warfare . . . who are not prepared to contend with an insurgency."

The Democrats' move is likely to test the party's unity in the coming weeks, as anxious moderates clash with liberals pushing for an even more dramatic confrontation....
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:39 PM
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5. "Limit" his options?
Is enough to tell me this is all just a game. Limit his options? He shouldn't have ANY options. They are saying they still support this war going on. Not good enough for me.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:43 PM
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7. They have to start somewhere.
You want all or nothing? You'll wind up with nothing. That's how the world works.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:02 PM
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8. This isn't all.
And after watching them give him all for the last almost seven years color me skeptical. When this occupation ENDS, they are impeached and convicted, held accountable for the lives they sacrificed for a lie, and the millions of taxpayers' dollars pissed away for their military/industrial complex while people in this country work hard just to wind up broke struggling to live are returned to us and we see justice for this, that will be all.
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