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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:59 PM Original message |
Pentagon Cover Up *****15,000 OR MORE US DEATHS IN THE IRAQ WAR? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder if suicides have been counted in the total deaths in prior |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I highly doubt they did that in the last unpopular war America was involved: Viêtnam |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
81. Certainly not for World War II. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Did you try to read the writing on The Wall? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Tha Wall does not include suicides from the war |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. The number sounds rather high. |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. on suicide rates for young vets-plus crooks and liars video |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
69. But then your troops had not been indoctrinated as Nazis since they |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. You're not getting it. It's an unbelievable number |
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dog_lovin_dem (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good grief. |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm not sure that's accurate... |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Counterpunch is deliberately lying. |
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Amanita (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. yeah, not the most trustworthy source... |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. CBS also? |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. here is a link to CBS w/methodolgy |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. CBS is not claiming |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. How many vets of Iraq/Afgan are there? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
98. the body count is high |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. read my above post-vets ages 20-24 can ONLY be from current Iraq/Afghan wars nt |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. 2 points. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
84. How many soldiers have we circulated thru Iraq? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Counterpunch deliberately lying? You don't say... n/t |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. CBS deliberately lying? You don't say... n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. The title of your post is misleading. n/t |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. No it is not |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Yes, it is. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007 |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
68. Are you being deliberately obtuse? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. yeah, I'd never take anything from Counterpunch as |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. excuse me it's CBS |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Did you even read the title of your own post? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Quit trying to change the subject |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. What subject? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I suppose you didn't read the article |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. ya beat me by a minute, but no harm in repeating the request that cali READ 1st nt |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. why don't you read the article before you bash it???? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Deleted sub-thread |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. I read the entire article- not that it was neccessary |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. that isn't remotely evidence supporting |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. go ahead cali believe this lying sack of shit government |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. more disconnected |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. good try |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
87. Just think of all the lives these children touched |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. So is CBS ALSO lying? |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Now you are simply being disingenuous. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007 |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Still no proof nearly 11,000 Iraq war vets committed suicide. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Department of Veterans Affairs Reports 73 Thousand U.S. Gulf War Deaths |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. How many of those are Iraq war veterans who committed suicide? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. 73,000 DEAD AND YOU'RE QUIBLING ON HOW |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Moving the goalpost doesn't change the question. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. The important thing to me is that they are DEAD |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
90. Regarding the pissing match you seem to want -- |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
91. VA's arguments don't hold water. |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
66. Thank you for pointing this out |
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achtung_circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Please refer to iCasualties |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. suicides are not included here correct? |
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achtung_circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Well, browsing the database almost at random I found this |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. 1 in 4 Gulf War veterans still has serious illness, panel hears |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. I just watched a sneak preview of "Redacted"... |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. did you say leftist chick? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Oh yeah, that's where I got that from.. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R! Thank you seems, n/t |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
40. Dr. Katz was probably involved in the cover up too. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. They wouldn't try and mislead us now would they? |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. like I said I wouldn't put this past them |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
51. LYING SINCE GULF WAR l |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
62. Speaking of cover-ups............ |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
63. STOP the republicon homelaner LIES, and the phony oil-profits Crusade |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
64. I would assume that the suicide numbers do not include; |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
65. Many suicides |
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Swagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
67. do they count the deaths of "contractors" (mercenaries) ? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. oh no Swagman no way |
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achtung_circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Within limits, yes. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Thank you achtung_circus |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
70. It Appears This Pentagon Needs to Be Dishonest |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
71. & the horror will last for generations |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
72. A Republican county judge/Iraq war veteran killed himself recently near here. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
78. Just more manipulated figures... |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
80. They should look for non-citizen and investigate those numbers |
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Aragorn (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
83. psychiatric help |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
85. I wonder how many Americans and X-American soldiers |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
86. And don't forget to include private contractors |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
88. A VETERAN IS A VETERAN IS A VETERAN |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
89. Number of Neocons dead |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
92. No, you're wrong in this post... |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. A VETERAN IS A VETERAN IS A VETERAN |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846 |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Do you know how many wounded the DOD said there was? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. But you just keep playing with the numbers help them out so it doesn't look so bad |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
97. Anybody who believes this Government and their statistics |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
99. Now I know why Rumsfeld never wanted these servicemen to return home. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
100. Rathbun adjusted the rates of suicide for age, gender and any potential error |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. And if you completed that last paragraph, you'd see where the mistake Whitney made was |
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