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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:38 AM
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Biggest problem for this nation isn't Rove, Libby and WH were being protected by Scottie
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 11:40 AM by blm
It's that Rove, Libby and WH were being protected by MANY journalists in the press corps who KNEW for a fact that the WH was lying consistently in regard to their involvement with the outing for SEVENTEEN MONTHS.

SEVENTEEN MONTHS before an election..... and some of those same 'journalists' were opining throughout that time on the 'sterling integrity', the 'straight shooting', and the 'says what he means, means what he says' Presidency of George W Bush.

And there were a few Democratic 'strategists' married to insiders on that story who also knew the truth throughout that time and also protected Rove, Libby and the WH.

So what does that say about our country and further - how deep the problem goes with our corporate media?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:46 AM
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1. Rove
belongs in jail. Instead he's working for Newsweek!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:55 AM
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3. What does THAT tell you about this nation's press corps?
.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:07 PM
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21. Yep. What is he doing there? And I have also noticed some on our own
side still saying he was a "political genius". Since when is having no scruples so that you have no problem in lying, cheating and stealing an election being smart? No, it means having a criminal mind, and that is all.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:41 PM
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28. I don't know what he's doing there
but as a Newsweek subscriber I intend to find out, and to make some loud noises while doing so.

Customer service form:
http://www.nwsub.com/newsweek/public/contact.asp

Customer service telephone:
1-800-631-1040

Contact info, including LTTEs:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/38406
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:57 PM
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35. The person I spoke to at the 800 number was very nice
Got my info and said she was putting a note in my file (tinfoil alert..! ;) )and sending my comment to management. Can't hurt, might help.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:34 PM
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49. And you can also be on file for BushInc's enemy list.
.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:12 PM
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50. Yep
Well, I either was already or I'm *still* not important enough... :shrug:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:52 AM
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2. it says that the White House Correspondents Association...
....is a cesspool of favoritism and social climbing. I blame this partially on Mark Halprin, who was the editor of ABC's "insider" newsletter called "The Note." It was The Note that pushed the "Kool Kids" clique mentality on those covering the White House and whose nannying of the press corps to follow a pre-set narrative was a daily occurrence.

Two things need to happen. There needs to be a Peoples Bill of Rights for Media-White House Transparency. I drafted such a document in the early years of the Bush presidency when it became clear what was happening with the press. There are Bills of Rights passed by Congress that govern other professions and industries. Why not one governing the work of those whose task it is to protect democracy?

The second necessity is to codify access of news organizations covering the White House and return credentialing of reporters to their professional organization. From the inception of the White House Correspondents Association, reporters were credentialed by their peers, until after WW2 when credentialing was seized by the WH press office itself. Under the Bush administration, the threat of denial of access became a battering ram, and reporters were intimidated, punished, and thus influenced by Karl Rove and Dick Cheney's henchmen. A Peoples Bill of Rights would return credentialing to the WHCA and prohibit punishment of reporters for the content of their criticisms and much more. It could prohibit fraternizing, as well.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:10 PM
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22. Just wanna ask - wouldn't the President simply use a "signing statement"
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 02:10 PM by truedelphi
Against such a people's bill??
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:11 PM
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23. Probably put grasswire in jail.
And I'd join him.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:07 PM
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43. Well thought out..
.... I believe your proposal would work.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:55 AM
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4. NY Times sat on Bush's illegal spying until after the 2004 vote, saving Bush's arse!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:24 PM
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6. NYT also had Bush wired at debate and wouldn't print it. THAT is protection
to the nth degree.

American people were only able to get about 10% of the truth about that entire election thanks to the protection the corporate media was giving Bush and the distortions against Kerry the people were getting the other 90% of the time.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:58 AM
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5. Biggest Problem for our Nation is..
CORPORATEMEDIAWHORES
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:24 PM
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7. ...can you say that again?
;)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:36 PM
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8. Bar none, blm..
bar none!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:40 PM
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10. I usually give CORORATISM as the answer but you certainly hit a winner with detail.
I balme the media, but it's amazing how few people even bother to find out what is occurring in the world. I grew up watching the nightly news, now a would guess a much smaller % of household even bother.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:16 PM
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15. The corporatemediawhores have
been covering for bushites since 2000(it's like they made a devil's pact with karl rove and never looked back). There are notable exceptions..like the newspapers who endorsed Kerry in 2004(What a Concept!) And there are those who see the writing on the wall with the bushites and still cover for the monkey dung.

cnn is all about propoganda, brainwashing, fascistswhores, monopoly/ bottom line..don't get the truth out at all costs.

fauxnoise is chimphouse central.

msnbc/ge has KO..And look how grateful we all are for him and Comedy Central where Jon Stewart gets the truth in politics out via his comedy.

Stephen Colbert is now running for Pres.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:19 PM
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16. The endorsements were CYA by that point. They knew they would ignore election fraud
again for Bush just as they deep-sixed the election fraud from 2000 and 2002.

And the DNC let them.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:26 PM
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17. Sounds like Dean inherited
quite the job as some of us could only imagine.

CYA, huh? I never thought of that..well, The St Pete Times..they've always been Dem. :)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:27 PM
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18. certainly not ALL, but the big ones like NYT and WaPo.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:39 PM
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9. I have heard reporters express this new ethic recently, that goes like this.
WE can't make it <whatever it is> a STORY. If YOU make it a story, WE can cover it. But that's up to YOU. WE don't report news until YOU put out a press release on it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:43 PM
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11. Oh sure - we saw how they treated all the press releases rebutting swifts
They even edited out the filmed clips.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:57 PM
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13. That's why the NY Times does not respond to offers of election fraud evidence!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:38 PM
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19. Because they specifically did NOT
want "election fraud evidence" to get out to the People.

I hope I'm around a few years down the road when the masses catch on the corporatemediawhores' LIES and MANIPULATION and rebel with a thunderous stampede in the other direction and the cmw are left licking their wounds and trying to revive their dying enterprises.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:01 PM
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20. And yet - THAT is what we're stuck with, and no end in sight to the fascists' control.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:24 PM
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25. I know..back to
reality. And, working to delete their toxic fantasy creation from our country.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:20 PM
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24. they should call it The Stenographers' Creed n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:32 PM
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27. that's what a LA Times reporter told me...
...when I asked her in 2000 why she wasn't reporting on the conflict of interest between a Bush presidency and the money the family earned from the Carlyle Group. She said that she didn't see any Democrats making news about it. Shrug. I asked why investigative reporting couldn't be published. She said a newsmaker would have to make news about it, and then it could be reported.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:53 PM
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29. It's like that, it is. It's also like this:
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:03 PM by truedelphi
In the mid 1990's a gas additive was being mandated for use in the fuels for California gasoline.

It was called "MTBE" and even various ecology-minded groups like Sierra Club were part of those pushing to legislate that it be used.

I began researching it - happy at last to research a story that seemed to be "Win-Win"

But Chevron immediately began stonewalling me. They would not release any information.

I began to have California Air Resources Boarrd send me information. Immediately it became evident that that the scientific evidence between the product's touted safety and health benefits was contradictory at best and possibly erroneous at worst.

After six months, I had some very damning evidence against MTBE. I approached several large West coast papers. Including the Mercury News in San Jose and the San Francisco Chronicle.

They were told by my press release that I had research on what was promising to be the largest story of the decade in terms of public policy affecting human health and water quality.

Mind you, at the time, I was not expecting these papers to have me do the reporting. I was willing to turn over my research to whatever news organization wanted it. I'm a tech writer, Gawd damn it! not a reporter.

The story and its research sat on my shelves. As it sat there, the public mobilized. The stuff was getting in the drinking water and even at levels as low as four parts per billion, could make your local water supply taste like it was 100% kerosene. People who drank and showered in MTBE tainted water had immediate health problems.

Finally an independent newspaper "The Coastal Post" wanted my story. I wrote it and it went out.
June of 1997. After that, Paul Hersch of "Water Online" re-edited my copy and put the word out on the internet. Three months later, at the end of September, the SF Chronicle finally tackled the story.

A Blue Ribbon Panel was appointed by CA Gov Davis. Headed by John Froines. This panel of scientists would look into MTBE and determine if it posed a serious risk to the public's safety.

In late 1998 while browsing through a local paper, I saw a headline. It read: "MTBE PROVEN TO BE A NON-CARCINOGEN."

I was so mad, I was frothing. Various activists had told me that John Froines would never ever be bought out. That he was one person who was beyond the reach of the millions that the oil companies would offer for a scientist to taint the research. (The oil companies loved MTBE because it turned a product that should have been carted off and buried at a SuperFund site - an expensive proposition -into a product that was placed into the gasoline and then sold to the public.)

BY March or April of the follwoing year, there were hearings in Sacramento. I heard Froines would be there. I decided I would attend - feeling that he was owed a punch in the face, if nothing else.

Got to the hearings. Told Froines why I was there. He said, "Well why are you upset with me?" I showed him the news copy and he laughed.

"Carol, I SAID EXACTLY THE opposite of what that headline reads. And all the quotes attributed to me inside that article are made up as well." He went on to explain that although the Blue RIbbon panel could not yet PROVE that MTBE was a carcinogen, they felt that they were close to proving that.

But it taught me - it takes a long time for a story that is not in the best interests of the Big Oil, Big Banking, Military interests etc to get into the printed page. And even then, its presence will be altered so that the Powers that Be can make the sale on their product.

Truth be Damned!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:54 PM
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40. Wow
Thanks for all the hours you put into that research.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:56 PM
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30. Exactly! When did this become the standard?
It's apalling. They all think they are covering a sports match.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:31 PM
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33. Ever see the stacks of swiftliar rebuttal releases put out by the Kerry campaign
Vets who wanted to counter the swifts, including a swiftie who TURNED against the group all said the corpmedia wouldn't give them a platform.

The swiftie who turned said the media gave him all the time in the world when he was WITH the group, but when he turned after realizing the extent of their lies he wanted to speak against them, but no one was interested.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:51 PM
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39. That's Because They Cover What Their PRODUCERS and EDITORS Tell Them To
It's a result of the hyper-specialization that has spread across the country and the globe in the last 20 + years. The person on the end, who communicates to the public, is rarely the person who makes the decision on what will be presented, anymore (this, btw, is why "old" media is dying in favor of blogs, etc.).

Producers and editors want to cover what's going to sell newspaper & get ratings, and make their advertisers happy. Advertisers don't like controversy. They get letters from people who will threaten to boycott their products if they commercially support certain shows (a double-edged sword: we liked it when we scared them from buying time on Imus, but not so happy when they get scared of Air America).

It's up to us to force them on the issue.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:57 PM
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12. the corporate media is the PR wing of the ruling oligarchy and their corporations
it goes all the way through the system.

there *might* be a half a dozen actual journalists hidden in the rancid cesspool of the media, but that might even be a stretch.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:01 PM
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14. That's as plain as day. US Newsmedia IS the PR Dept for Fascist-R-Us.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:29 PM
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26. we could change this, you know
If enough people cared enough to get in the faces of the professional organizations such as the White House Correspondents Association, the Society for Professional Journalists, the Columbia Journalism Review, the National Association of Newspaper Editors, the National Press Club, etc. etc. etc., and also the HQ for the news outlets such as networks, individual newspapers, etc.

If we cared enough, we could influence this assault on democracy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:49 PM
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47. In one way the internet has protected them - people gather less in the streets
when they're gathering online.

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:08 PM
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31. Scottie couldn't protect a sandwich.
Strange development, trying to cast him as some sort of defender. I don't quite get the point of it, but I know it isn't true.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:25 PM
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32. I know - Scottie was EXPECTED to lie - the corpmedia wasn't SUPPOSED to let the lies
stand.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:53 PM
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34. Great points -
But you know outing a covert CIA agent working on nuclear proliferation - which Bush said was the greatest threat (yes, I know he was copying Kerry's answer) - is less important than knowing he will give you a nickname (yeah, I know they're usually insulting). I really don't get why the media did not hate him.

The only thing I can guess is that he got them to lie during 2000 and then there was no going back.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:38 PM
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36. That's actually a key strategy - get people to become PART of what you're doing
like the way they coopted Clinton on BCCI matters, and then they're STUCK defending you, no matter what, as you've become invested as part of the issue itself.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:42 PM
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37. Only 'one' of the problems. Corporate media is definitely a problem, but just one.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:00 PM
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41. I factor in that the way it's set up it influences EVERY OTHER ISSUE and so every
other issue is stuck being defined by whatever the media can agree is the storyline they run with.

The way it effects every other issue is undeniable.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:01 AM
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46. keep fighting back.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:48 PM
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38. Google CNN and PsyOps
That was circa 2000.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:02 PM
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42. I'm familiar with it. AOL was spook central. When they targeted TimeWarner it was
all she wrote.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:35 PM
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44. You are SO RIGHT!
A little complicity here and there for how many years--not just the media but a few 'strategists' who just happened to be involved with a little election stuff in 2004 too. Don't they call that "Talking out of both sides of your mouth..."?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:02 PM
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45. The media' should be held accountable for their complacency
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 11:03 PM by wisteria
in this and other matters that have lead to tragedies such as the Iraq War, our failings throughout the Middle East, the loathing and hatred of America in many places around the world and the re-election of GWB.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:50 PM
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48. Is that a typo? Surely you meant 'complicity' wisteria......
heh
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