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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:41 PM
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"Concerned Women": It's more important for women to break the glass ceiling **AT HOME**


Contact: Natalie Bell, Concerned Women for America, 202-488-7000 ext. 126

WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 /Christian Newswire/ -- While feminists are bemoaning the return of well-educated, fast-track women to their homes to raise their own children, many of today's women are unwilling to make the kind of trade-offs that previous generations of career women made when climbing the career ladder meant not having a husband or children.

Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, Director and Senior Fellow of the Beverly LaHaye Institute (the think tank for Concerned Women for America) said, "Both male and female professionals today rate personal and family goals higher than career goals. These findings indicate a profound shift of attitude in the workforce. Further, they reveal a partnership among parents that was lacking in previous generations where all the family efforts were concentrated on the husband/father's career."

Crouse added, "A wife's career success pales in comparison to a husband's attitudes in breaking the glass ceiling of home. A husband's beliefs about family, the value of marriage, desire for children and respect for traditional gender roles determines whether a wife reports happiness with the love and affection of her husband. This family fact may reveal more about the career choices being made by today's well-educated women than all the statistics and workplace data. In the final analysis, perhaps breaking the ceiling at home is more important to women than breaking the corporate ceilings."

http://www.earnedmedia.org/cwa1120.htm

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:43 PM
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1. Yes, that's my idea of paradise. Just ... ugh. nt
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:50 PM
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14. Sure. Lose your income. Lose your Social Security Credits. Lose any pension, 401-K.
Then when your husband divorces you (neighbors of mine just divorced after 49 years of marriage), you have nothing except what you can get from "his" assets.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:01 PM
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15. My in-laws divorced after 39 years, and it was devastating.
They both had pensions, he has to pay alimony, but being as they were Catholic, some 'kids' were asked to give their opinions. That ruined a lot of things, including relationships forever.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:44 PM
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2. 25 kids????
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 09:45 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Had to count several times to make I (think) I got it right.... :eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:46 PM
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4. Me too.
Eye-popping, isn't it?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:46 PM
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5. I'm thinking that some of those babies are daughter's babies.
There are several too close in age for there not to be several mothers. Creepy.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:44 PM
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13. I'm thinking I see at least 4 mothers in that picture
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:56 PM
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8. It looks like one husband, five wives, and 19 kids.
5 adult women, once of whom looks pregnant (on the far left) and all the kids are young. There is no way those women are older sisters. There's far too much of an age gap.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:25 AM
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20. I count 6 wives and 20 kids
I think I've seen this family on TV before on a show about polygamy. The husband looks familiar to me.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:22 AM
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21. Bingo! Tom Green!

Tom Green, center, and his five wives -- from left, Hannah, Lee Ann,
Shirley, Linda and Cari -- posed at their homes in Trout Creek, Utah,
on Nov. 24, 2000. Green, a polygamist, was sentenced yesterday to
five years in prison. Hawaii brothers Loren and Lesley Hardy
were arrested Thursday night for an alleged bomb threat
in an attempt to take over Green's family.


Big Island twins arrested in Utah for threats
Loren and Lesley Hardy tried to take over Utah polygamist Tom Green's family
http://starbulletin.com/2001/08/25/news/story1.html
(Bizarre story at above link}




Utah Jury Hears Polygamist Boast of Five Wives
Reuters/May 15, 2001
By James Nelson

Provo, Utah -- Utah jurors on Tuesday watched an avowed polygamist boast in television interviews about his life with five wives and their children as his trial spotlights the once accepted but now forbidden practice of plural marriage.

"I'm the father of all these children and the husband of all these wives," Tom Green told an interviewer for a French television station on a videotape played for the jury.

Green, 52, is charged with four counts of third-degree felony bigamy and one count of failing to pay child support in what is believed to be the first polygamy trial in the United States in nearly 50 years. "I'm Hannah. I married him fifth. I married him when I was 14," one wife said on a videotape, key evidence in the trial.

The tapes from TV programs like "Dateline" and the "Jerry Springer Show" showed wives preparing meals and children jumping on a trampoline at their remote dessert compound in Utah. Defense attorney John Bucher objected to part of a tape in which Green, who has fathered 29 children, showed his bedroom and was asked about his sleeping arrangements.

Linda Green, whom Green married nearly 15 years ago when she was 14, said the women decide on the sleeping arrangements. But a hierarchy does exist. "If our family were a corporation, I'd be the CEO," Linda said on the tape.

The roots of polygamy go back to the early days of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Utah-based Mormon church is formally called. Mormon prophet Joseph Smith taught that polygamy bestowed heaven's highest blessings. But the practice was outlawed after the U.S. government made it a condition of Utah becoming a state in 1896 and Mormons who practice polygamy are now excommunicated.

more at link

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy56.html
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:34 AM
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23. "I married him fifth" - you can almost hear the dumb shit accent...
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:46 AM
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30. You can't blame them
Read the book "Escape," a story about a woman (along with her eight children) who escaped the FLDS and the polygamist life-style. These poor kids are brainwashed from infancy to believe that their husbands are their only way into heaven. Its usually the only life they know and it's literally a fear of hell that compels them to do what they do. They are taught from their earliest years that if they are not completely obedient to their husband that he will keep them out of heaven. They are basically nothing more than loveless baby factories if the accounts of women who have escaped from this brutal life are true. Most have no education past elementary school and are often forbidden to have TVs, radios or internet access. In our eyes, they may be a bunch of uneducated, ignorant women with "dumb shit" accents but it's the only life many of them know. They are taught that the "outside" world is evil and something to be feared.

Consider the circumstances before you go calling these ladies "dumb shit."
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:13 PM
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33. Yeah. You're right.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 02:30 PM by kineta
And it's wrong of me to call another human being 'shit'. I tend to react negatively (and thus, flippantly) to the 'baby factory' thing.

It's a very sad situation, as you rightly point out. How the hell did this guy get away with 'marrying' 14 year olds anyway?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:46 PM
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3. I agree that it starts at home, though.
If I can raise my kids to believe that women can do anything, that we should be treated equally, then I will have done my job right.

As for thinking women shouldn't work outside the home, that's just nonsense. Women always have worked outside the home, or do they not remember slavery or consider the work of poor women servants? It's a ridiculous idea that women did not used to work outside the home or that they didn't even work for money while in the home (where else did the term "pin money" come from?). It's looking back at history with darkened rose-colored glasses on.
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tanglefoot Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:02 PM
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10. I agree - it's a bullshit idea that women shouldn't work outside the home
It's just upper class women who never worked. Even in the golden era of the 50's women took in laundry, cared for children in their homes, cleaned homes, baked cakes, did sewing and other work they could get paid for to supplement the family's income. Most did more.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:31 AM
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26. Sure they did. We all do.
Do they really think that all of those cleaning ladies don't have kids of their own?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:53 PM
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6. It's confirmed. They live in glass houses.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:55 PM
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7. Yawn
Shouldn't Natalie and Janice be at home baking brownies? cleaning toilets? scrubbing floors? getting their hair and make-up done so they can be just so when the man of the house comes home?

How horrible it is for their husbands that they choose instead to spend their time in such an unproductive manner. Think of the children! How they must suffer because Mommy isn't around to show them how to be proper little girls and boys. And can you imagine the waxy build-up? Oh, the humanity!



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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:57 PM
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9. I like what John Aravosis calls them
The MEN of Concerned Women for America
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:04 PM
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11. It amazes me how many women, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians et all....
.... are so willing to participate in these groups that are so antithetical to equality.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:38 PM
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12. The Beverly LaHaye Institute?!?!?!?!?!!!!!
These ideas and people are the spawn of Jerry Falwell. No wonder they are so mentality ill.
I guess they want more theocratic fascists per square foot. The Lahayes are the 'Left Behind' liars.
I think all of these lying fascists should be left behind. :dem:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:35 AM
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28. LaHaye money is behind every bad idea of the last 30 years.
A founding member of the "VRWC" - Everything from the hunting of Bill Clinton to the split in the Episcopal church, there they are.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:04 PM
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16. Kinda hard to achieve those personal and family goals when your job is
on the chopping block or being outsourced. "Concerned Women" live in blissful ignorance.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:18 PM
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17. Hmm..I'm a stay-at-home mom, and I disagree with her.
Although I love being home with my baby, and happy not to be in the corporate hell of the last 13 years of my life, I still think she's wrong.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:41 PM
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19. Yep, agree.
I was a professional accountant, and then a family therapist intern, and, finally, a social worker. I retired seven years ago to go back to law school (a dream of mine) and to raise Beloved Daughter (whom we had adopted about 1-1/2 before that). Right now, I'm focusing upon certain real estate investments and homeschooling my kid. Life changes, and I'm an activist who is pro-human-rights and pro-equal opportunity!
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:27 PM
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36. Wow, you're Wonder Woman!
:yourock:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:03 PM
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38. HeeHee.
Thanks!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:37 AM
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25. Absolutely, and that is your choice and I applaud it.
It's right for you, and if it's right for you, it's right for me. :)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:33 AM
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27. Right there with ya!
Are you hosting Thanksgiving this year? I am, and I'm hiding from the last-minute work right now. :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:39 PM
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18. Interesting, isn't it, that whenever conservatives make a case for the importance of the family
and someone being home to raise the kids, the parent they inevitably finger as the one who MUST stay home with the kids is Mom?

They never try to guilt Dad into taking time out from HIS job and building HIS career. HE never has to make "trade-offs." He can have it all! Sure, he rates family goals high...but he doesn't have to put his body where his mouth is. Only his wife has to do that.

Yep, more bullshit about the supposed necessity and sanctity involved in all women who dare to become mothers surrendering any hope of a life outside their homes, so they can spend all their time raising the kids so hubby doesn't have to (and he will be "pleased"). Ugh.

As for "breaking the glass ceiling of home"...someone should tell that family pictured...they said CEILING, not WALLS.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:30 AM
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22. I get sick of that attitude too, Berry.
Why the fuck can DADDY stay home?

Is MOMMY the only one who knows how to care for kids, clean the house, prepare a meal?

It's such bullshit.

I know some stay-at-home dads, and they do just fine, and love what they're doing.

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:36 AM
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24. I've known quite a few stay at home dads, and most have done a great
job raising the kids. Their wives were making six figures in a corporation that I freelance for, so it was an obvious choice for the father to stay home and do the house husband thing.

The surreal thing is that the only stay at home conservative dad I know wants his wife to still do the cooking, cleaning, bill paying and child rearing once she returns from work at night. He still insists that he's the "head of the household", but really he's just another overgrown child that she ends up caring for. :eyes:
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:50 AM
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31. That sucks
My sister is the "bread winner" in her family and my brother-in-law will probably be a stay at home dad in the near future. Sis is earning about four times as much as he is working at Principal Financial and they plan on having a child soon, and he will stay home with the baby. Lucky for sis that he's a stand up dude who can cook, clean and take care of the house. My dad, a very traditional moderate-conservative had a problem with this idea for awhile, but once he was able to look past his somewhat old fashioned view on the topic, he understands that it's the best way for sis and her family to maintain their quality of life.

Nice to know that even the views of a stubborn old republican can be changed.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 11:46 AM
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32. EXACTLY!
It's either implied or outright said that it should be the WOMAN who makes the sacrifice. No mention of Dad maybe giving up *his* career to take care of his kids. :mad:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:36 AM
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29. Our stripper pole broke the glass ceiling in our bedroom
Damn.

We had to use the back-up in the den....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:21 PM
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34. Any time, any one of them wants to break the glass ceiling at
my house or sweep the cobwebs from it, they are welcome. They can also grab that mop and bucket and have at the floor and wash the windows too. I have other things to do.

I doubt though that Natalie Bell or any of the other Phyllis Schafly wannabe's do their own housework while they are telling other women how to live. The hypocrisy lives on.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:23 PM
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35. Who is the wife in that big picture?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:29 PM
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37. There are 5 wives in that picture
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