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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:23 AM Original message |
Indigenous Cultures - The future of our planet |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. The meek shall inherit the Earth. n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thanks. One can only inherit what another owns. No one owns the Earth. ;) nt |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. True enough... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I absolutely agree with that. nt |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you for the link.... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. You're welcome. :) Here's another: "Disappearing Worlds and the Prime Directive" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Problem With This, Sir |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yep. We've got a lotta folk on the Big Blue Marble these days. nt |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The problem with what? You might as well say the problem with solar power is that |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. The Problem, Sir, Is Simply This |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The Earth and its community of life cannot sustain 7 billion people living like we do. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. When You Can Suggest Something, Sir |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Obviously, |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-22-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Viewed Globally, Sir |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
87. A few points: |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 03:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
79. Combine the health care for moms and children, and the birth control. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-22-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Sir, you have an unintentional metaphor there! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Woah. Where are you getting that from? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. The Numbers Presently Alive, Sir |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:10 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. "New" does not mean "elder". |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Actually, Sir |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:36 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. What 'new way' has been proposed? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 06:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. It may be the article you linked to in the OP that's confusing people |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. That IS part of my view, yes. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Or your inability/ unwillingness to articulate them? WTF is this thread about, huh? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. See #20. "The Earth and its community of life cannot sustain 7 billion people living like we do." |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That depends on what technologies we are able to develop. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Does it depend Solely on what technologies we develop? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. It beats moving into yurts and having 6.8 billion of us croak |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Do you agree that many in our culture can't identify with it any longer? nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Do you think that some girl having her clit cut off in an indiginous society might have difficulty.. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Genital mutilation occurs in Africa only where fundamentalist Islam is found. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 05:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. ...and Jerry Falwell & Osama bin Laden both believed Jesus was a prophet of God. nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. I can't speak for Osama, but I'd bet good money Falwell would reject the label of prophet for Jesus. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Absolute bullshit |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Soylent Green! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. (coffee? meet keyboard) Yes, Mr. Magistrate... that is the nut, isn't it? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Sir, I wonder if it's possible to take some of their ideas for adaption or |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Quite Likely It Is, Sir |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. Quite likely, and quite necessary as well. nt |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 04:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
80. On energy: |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. oh gawd here we go again...Rouseaus 'Noble Savage'! the key word is savage folks n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Your assumption is incorrect. nt |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. let's start with my tribe |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
82. Start what? nt |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. thank you for this post |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. Today, the biggest threat to indigenous people isn't the white settler |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. True. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
12. Going back to the old ways or killing off the planet trying to make the modern thing work? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. "Old ways"? These ways are practiced today. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
13. The epitome of incoherence |
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hermetic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 06:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Perhaps you should look at |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. It's part of a long-running set |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Do you have a comment on the content of the OP or anything at Nativeplanet.org? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-22-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Can you comment on the question you've been asked dozens of times? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. You're right - that site has very contradictory ideas of what an 'indigenous culture' is |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. It's unreasonable to expect each of the thousands of human cultures on Earth |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Yes, geography is part of the definition - the vital part |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The descriptor "indigenous" must relate to geography, but culture doesn't. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. OK, if the indigenousness of a culture isn't the point |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. If you know a website that does a better job of gathering basic info |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. You need to retract your false accusation. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
93. Answer the question |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Agriculture isn't inherently bad |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
16. The "Noble Savage" is a racist myth. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Good thing the OP has nothing to do with perpetuating it. nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-21-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Uhm, the "Noble Savage" myth |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Learn more about what you're trying to talk about here: |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Wait, what? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The people being talked about there, are those who make proclamations of faith |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. Criticizing the Noble Savage myth |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Ah. It says "Those who beat the drum most loudly against the “Noble Savage...". |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. "Comforting novelties" --wow, that says it all |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 05:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
83. A coherent post! |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. A complete non sequitur, as usual. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. No, it expands on the subject, not changes it. nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Whatever. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I merely offered you more information about the myth of the noble savage. nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. No. You suggested that I "learn more" |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Please forgive me for encouraging you to learn and providing the material to do so. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Oh noes, a Native American that doesn't fit the delusions of the romanticists, LOL!!! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Wayne Newton is a so-called Native American, but he's a member of OUR culture. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. It's the romanticists that don't understand the distinction between culture and race. n/t. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
72. What a load of BS. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Can you support your claim? Let's see the evidence. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Go read "Before the Dawn", a good book on human prehistory. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 06:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
43. "preferable to the pontifications of a talking gorilla" |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
78. A talking gorilla, how evil. Counter-cultural art must be suppressed at all costs. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. No one is supressing anything. We are callling out bullshit. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
73. I have little respect for Rousseau. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-23-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. baloney. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
86. 6.999 billion of us should commit suicide so 100,000 white guys |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-24-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. LOL! |
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