Scottie, Plame and the bushies -- questions

questions about scottie's disclosure of bush, rove, cheney and libby outing Plame and then covering it up

- I believe the case is still open,, will Fitzgerald take it off the back burner and at least interview scottie?

- will the congressional dems talk to scottie or will they issue an apology?

- talking heads are blathering about scottie's resignation being prompted by feelings of being betrayed, used and manipulated - how long before this story turns into a bushie talking point about 'disgruntled employees'?

- will the bushies throw the cloak of "executive priviledge" over scottie to prevent him from talking more?

- will this news survive the thanksgiving holiday, or like 5-day old leftover turkey end up being tossed out?

Heres my take, Fitzgerald will do nothing, congressional Dem's will talk and thats about it, Talking heads on the right will crucify hi him, talking heads on the left will praise him, The Bush cabal will say who cares.

open the files again. He was gutless and clearly, after the fact,the wrong guy for an important investigation.

Lying by omission is still a lie.

I'm not sure this is going to just fade away the way the rest of them have. It's going to have the cabal scrambling to do damage control, but I'm not sure they can. From my point of view, it has explosive potential. Most of America had probably forgotten about the Plame thing.

Now, as we begin the run up to the primaries, we have a rather forceful reminder. This administration is absolutely corrupt and it's even harder for the average American to deny it any more. The Republican candidates are going to have to distance themselves even further, assuming they can, while the Dem candidates just have to shrug and say "well, what did you expect?"

Now, what'll come out of it in the long run--it's hard to say. But it's not a bad thing for any candidate standing firm about investigating wrong-doing in this administration if elected. It's not so good for anyone who'd prefer to sweep it under the rug.

Well, that's my 2 cents, anyway.

of Bush, Cheney & co., who lied to him (according to him) about whether Libby and Rove were involved. Happens every day in that cauldron of corruption, Wash DC. That's what McClellan was hired to do--lie! He's NOT saying they lied to Fitzgerald, FBI or grand jury (unless I'm misunderstanding this)--which WOULD be a crime. If McClellan lied to Fitz/FBI/GJ, that's another story--but McClellan wouldn't be disclosing it now. Fitz GJ is still possible. So if McClellan talked to Fitz/FBI/GJ, Fitz knew that Bush/Cheney & co. lied to McClellan, and McClellan lied to the public. And if McClellan talk to Fitz et al, he probably should have.

It could be sort of a contributing factor to the main conspiracy, but standing alone, is not a crime and is a conspiracy to commit a crime. Again, they lied to the PUBLIC--to the press--not to legal authorities. It's a scandal, but a crime.

Fitzgerald extensively interviewed lots of people, including Libby and Rove. So HE knew they were involved--but criminally involved?, or lying to him?, were the questions. The outing statute requires knowledge and I think malice, or something like that. Very hard to prosecute. So Rove wormed his way out of it, and Libby lied--and is covering for Cheney (who was clearly a Fitz target). Anyway, if there was a crime in anyone lying to the PUBLIC about Libby and Rove being involved, Fitz would have gone after them. Unfortunately, it isn't really a crime. Impeachable, but not criminal. (You can be impeached for being unfit for duty, not fulfilling your duties, pervasive lying to the public, and a lot of things that are not crimes--but probably it would take actual crimes to get the 2/3 vote in the Senate.)

And you can be sure that I want to see all of them behind bars for the rest of their lives (or better, life sentences of cleaning bedpans in veterans' hospitals). I'm not trying to excuse mass murderers, torturers, master thieves and shredders of our Constitution. Just looking at this particular thing from a legal viewpoint. Not a lawyer here, but some legal experience and study.

he wasn't under oath when he passed along the talking points. like a good lap dog, he just passed along misinformation and lies as he was told to do by the bushies. whether or not he KNEW they were lies at the time is another question - if he did know it was a big lie and still passed it along then I think there would be a case for his participation in the cover-up, conspiracy maybe?

Libby was only convicted of obstruction and perjury - there were no charges brought against him regarding the actually outing of Plame, so those are still applicable if this moves further than a book review page in the newspapers

no one has been charged with the actual crime of disclosing Plame's identity

The problem is who has the guts to do it.

of those that can do something about it to react.

forthcoming very shortly. National security you know. :mad:

It WILL have repercussions and ramifications of consequence.

I would regard that as justice, and I affirm that it can and will happen for the sake of America.

to my stuffing... I hope it does too - but I'm not going to get my hopes up too high. too many times we've seen stories and news that should enrage the public and motivate congress to get off their butts, only to then see it buried in blatherhead meme and talking points