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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:10 AM
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I totally respect and admire Al Gore, but will never understand his choice of Lieberman as Veep
Can anyone explain Why in the Hell he Chose LIEberman?!

What kind of govt might we have had knowing NOW how much of a monster Lieberman IS, should the Supremes not INSTALLED Herr Bush?

Sometimes I shudder to think of that right wing leaning Clown in the White House with the deciding vote in Congress...

Why, oh why Al, did you choose that guy out of all the Dems available?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:12 AM
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1. Because "folks said" Gore was too far to the left and needed a "moderate" to get Repuke votes. n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:50 PM
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26. Who said he was too far left????
He won the popular vote - that's too far left????
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:46 PM
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32. Folks. You know. Some people say. n/t
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:12 AM
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2. if you ask me
I'd venture an educated guess that it was to appease the Jewish lobby (and thereby limit the criticism that he might not be a friend to Israel). It also could have been a way of signaling that, at the time, he was willing to have as a running-mate someone who was not a WASP. Given Clinton and Obama's "electability" now, that seems like a baby step, but at the time, I remember people talking about Lieberman's "jewishness" as a radical change for the country.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:19 AM
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6. Agree
and part of their "southern strategy" was to use Lieberman to campaign and win in Florida.

Too bad the Bush campaign knew it too and figured out how to outflank them there. The GOP controlled news media in Ohio bullied him into pulling out of Ohio and focusing on Florida. They walked into a trap.

Gore is a great guy, but remember Donna Brazile was running his campaign. They made a LOT of mistakes, and the 50 state strategy wasn't operational back then, either.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:56 AM
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20. Yeah, "outflank him" with
teresa lepore, katherine harris(purged voters), and jeb bush.
http://www.geocities.com/francis_uy/palmbeachvote.html
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:35 PM
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27. Yep, that's how they did it n/t
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:41 PM
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28. What Jewish lobby?
DO NOT make the mistake and call AIPAC a "Jewish" lobby!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:48 PM
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34. The one Jewish Repuke I know called LIEberman a "self-hating Jew" who was anti-Israel.
And this coming from a Jewish guy who goes to Tennessee Barbeque for dinner every year on Yom Kippur.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:47 PM
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33. Only 14% of Jews vote Republican. I doubt that LIEberman made a big difference there. n/t
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:47 AM
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47. "Jewish lobby?"
Not only does that sound a bit anti-semitic, it's misleading. AIPAC doesn't represent any Jews I know. "Pro-Israel lobby", if you wouldn't mind, or "Zionist lobby" if you want to be a bit more charged.

Not a huge deal, I know, but I got a friend who would glare at me if I said that to her ;)
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:13 AM
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3. Because they felt the same way about Wall St, and because Lieberman criticized Clinton.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:14 AM
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4. Lieberman was known primarily as a champion of social liberal causes
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 09:18 AM by Gman
Remember that this was pre-911. Lieberman didn't do and say the things he does now because we were at peace at that time and a very solid peace. It likely that 9/11 may not have even happened if Gore had been inaugurated in which case all of this would be moot. Even if 911 did happen, we would only have gone into Afghanistan and we would have taken out OBL at Tora Bora instead of letting him get away... lots of things would be different.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:17 AM
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5. The media told Gore he needed to distance himself from Clinton
and since Lieberman had spoken out against Clinton for his affair with Lewinsky, he was seen as a good choice to demonstrate that distance.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:21 AM
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7. Excellent point -- with a War-Mongering Neocon like Lieberman as Vice President, it would be like .
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 09:21 AM by The Stranger
. . having War-Mongering Neocon like Dick Cheney as Vice President.

Once again, Ralph Nader seems vindicated.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:02 AM
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23. No - Lieberman's awful but he's not as bad as Satan Cheney - no one is!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:23 AM
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8. Trying to capture the swing voters - we need to think about the green voters
I'm tired of the swing voter myth. If we had looked to those that voted Nader and Green the last election we would have won by a big enough margin that it could not have been tampered with. The same goes for when Gore ran in 2000, if he had picked a real Democrat and denounce NAFTA he would be in the White House right now.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:24 AM
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9. Because Lieberman was the guy who stood up on the floor of the Senate and gave the
"Bad, Bad, Naughty Bill" speech. And he was the DESIGNATED DEMOCRAT who did it.

The Lieberman choice signaled a break from Clinton (because of the speech).

It also signaled to the Jewish factions that they had nothing to fear from Al, who is an even-handed sort on international issues.

AT THE TIME, he was a good pick. No scandals, right enough to satisfy Reagan Democrats, socially concerned enough to keep the left happy, religious enough to make religious people happy (oh well, he's JEWISH, but at LEAST he's OBSERVANT--that was the theme amongst the Xtians-R-Us crowd), he had a nice spouse, and he came across as folksy AND intellectual.

He didn't turn into a shithead until Bush invaded the Middle East. Then he got on that War Hobby Horse and still cannot get off.

Think about it....
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:33 AM
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11. DING DING DING DING DING
Nailed it. Thank you.:toast: Next topic...
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:47 AM
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19. yep
expert democratic election losers were sure he would be the anti-clinton gore would need.
but he picked the wrong jew. he picked the sanctimonious and not the squeeky clean feingold.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:02 AM
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52. Feingold had too many marriages, though. Two is one thing, three is 'too much'
There was trouble brewing even back then. And now, it's 'three strikes.'

Also, Gore had a liberal heart. He needed someone who stood a shade to the right, not the left, of his own self.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:50 PM
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35. I agree. You nailed it.
Plus, he also brought in the Melmac-American voters.

Fucking cat-eaters.






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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:30 AM
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10. did you respect and admire him as much in 1999?
In the last few years, Gore's own character has been revealed to at least the degree that Lieberman's has, albeit in the opposite way. Gore ran as a centrist, he picked a centrist.

Besides, other than Bob Graham (who was also on Gore's short list), no other Dem would have helped Gore win Florida. Lieberman, at least in part because his is Jewish, was very popular in South Florida. As close as it was, people forget that winning Florida was no foregone conclusion, by any means.

Gore picked Lieberman instead of Graham because Lieberman had strongly criticized Clinton and Gore thought he needed to distance himself from Clinton, and because Graham has the weird habit of writing down everything he does in little notebooks in fifteen minute intervals (6:15 am: ate cheerios).

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:52 PM
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36. Bill Clinton: The Blowjob That Destroyed The World. n/t
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:36 AM
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12. DLC
:shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:40 AM
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13. Edwards was high on his short listin 2000.
That would have been a remarkable ticket.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:10 AM
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42. Edwards wasn't chosen because he was a Southern male like Gore
remember the big fuss and shouts of Democratic doom when Clinton chose Gore as a running mate in 1992? The same idiot pundits that are on tv now said this was a bad call. Kerry chose Edwards because he was seen as a moderate Southerner, whereas Kerry was a Massachusetts liberal.

Its the whole "balancing the ticket" thing, which politicians believe in, but political scientists have been telling us for years is baloney. No one cares about the VP, except whether they can do the job if the President croaks.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:44 AM
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14. The DLC was in power. It was traditional to listen to and be steered by the DLC.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 09:47 AM by higher class
A few Dems are waking up to the what was and is - the DLC is Repubican lite to Repbulican medium to Republican heavy - when it comes to feeding and protecting the corporations and getting their support.

You know where Leiberman is - work backwards.

Yeah - I was one of many taken in - I only learned about the power and weakness of the DLC since 2000. DL-Corporation.

The DLC has several candidates running this year - anyone of them can get the DLC nod for VP. Will it be the DLC who wins or the people?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:46 AM
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15. Everyone is allowed at least one supremely massive fuckup in their lives
Perhaps that was his?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:49 AM
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16. Joementum Man is right up there with Quayle and cheney.
Maybe it is harder to choose a vice president than it looks.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:50 AM
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17. Do you suppose he (Al) had any idea what this freak could become at the time?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:55 AM
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18. Do you REALLY think Gore and Lieberman were opposites in 2000?
They both were from the DLC, and agreed, IMO, on most issues.

Lieberman offered Gore a "way out" of the Clinton administration that Gore apparently (wrongly) felt he had to run from. If Gore had read the Gallup polls, Clinton had his peak approval rating AFTER his impeachment, and was among the most popular presidents we've had.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:58 AM
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21. I will truly never understand what purpose constantly rehashing this serves
JMO.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:44 PM
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29. I have my suspicions.
JMO.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:27 PM
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31. it's not rehashing for me
just occurred to me sitting here staring at my uncooked turkey - and I'd not really seen it discussed, I'm sure YOU have being all things Gore :)

No evil intent here, just sheer wonder.. And some damn good postings - thanks Foks!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:02 AM
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22. Don't candidates often choose a running mate who will 'balance' them?
E.g. JFK chose the more right-wing LBJ; Dukakis chose the more right-wing Bentsen; Reagan chose the seemingly more moderate Daddy Bush. Eisenhower chose Nixon, who I assume was seen as being to his right.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:12 AM
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24. "Smart" and "Practical" politics for Gore to distance himself from Clinton.
Holy Joe was a vocal critic of Clinton's exploits with naughty ladies which had been conflated by the RW into an impeachment. Most people disapproved of Bill's antics, but also disapproved of the impeachment effort. Gore went for the "middle" ground.

"Smart" and "practical" politics that didn't work and an election by "handlers" and "advisers".
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:19 AM
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25. I understand his choice. But it was a stupid and unnecessary choice
nevertheless.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:16 PM
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30. Lieberman was the first Democratic Senator...
...to publicly chastise Clinton for his pecadillo with Ms. Lewinsky.

Gore's advisors thought he needed to distance himself from Clinton because the public was suffering from "Clinton fatigue" -- you know, all those scandals (that were made up by the vast right wing conspiracy, apart from the Lewinsky thing) -- yes, that would be the "fatigue" that was incessantly pushed by the press, and that manifested itself with 65% approval ratings for Clinton's presidency at the time. But what else should we expect from Beltway insiders.

That's my take.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:33 AM
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50. You have to laugh at the idea of "Clinton fatigue".
It was a "fatigue" born of good times, peace and prosperity (except for a successful war in the Balkans that cost no American dollars or lives), record high wages, record low poverty, four years of budget surpluses, and abundant admiration and respect for America around the world. It was just awful.

What a drag it all was compared with the results of the enlightened leadership of "president" bush. Nothing to get "fatigued" about there, eh?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:06 PM
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37. Kerry was on his short list and some 'strategist' claimed Kerry had an affair
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 07:09 PM by blm
So....why were certain powerful "Dem strategists' pushing Lieberman and pushing Gore away from Kerry with a lie?

In 2000, Kerry had a stellar environmental record and was the top lawmaker in DC on the issues of corruption and tracking of terror networks and their funding.

And everyone KNEW he could win any one on one debate. Think of Lieberman nodding his head in agreement with just about everything Cheney said.

I believe there were Dems in the party who were FEEDING BAD INFO to Gore on a regular basis.

Like the 'strategists' who fed Shrum the BS that Kerry can't discuss BCCI because it only confused voters.

The Vanity Fair article where Gore's people talk about 2000 make it pretty clear they realized they were being sabotaged by TeamClinton.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:20 PM
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38. Bill Clinton
and his womanizing. Gore had to pick a moralist to get away from being tied to Clinton. I understand it. I'm not saying I agree but I see where Gore was coming from.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:26 PM
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39. Both were DLC members
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 07:27 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:28 PM
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40. I believe this is why Al Gore rightfully separated him self from the Clintons
in short the blowjob was just the tip of the Clinton's integrity challenged iceberg.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

"Before Hillary officially established her exploratory committee, she began directly competing with the vice president for money, sometimes even at his own fund-raising events. When Tipper's friend Melinda Blinken and a group of women planned a Gore fund-raiser in Los Angeles, Hillary insisted on being invited—over the objections of the event's organizers. Hillary then shocked the vice president's supporters by soliciting donations for herself in front of Tipper."

Why would Hillary Clinton do this to the Gores in California, when she was only running in New York and Al Gore was running a national campaign? I believe it's because this was a set up from the beginning and if there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" as Hillary Clinton stated, it was actually aimed at Al Gore as a back door strategy to keep him from coming to power. The only question I have is when did the Clintons join the conspiracy, was it after Dick Cheney announced he wouldn't run for President after he chose him self as Bush's Vice-Presidential running mate or before?

Personally, I believe Bill Clinton screwed his loyal Vice-President over three times before Al Gore ever reached the podium at the 2000 convention that was to nominate him for the Presidency.

The first time was the adolescent throw back affair it self, this is when Bill Clinton forgot the theme song from his own 92 convention, Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow", I still have ambivalent feelings whenever I hear that song. This also told me Bill Clinton didn't truly believe the looming catastrophe of Global Warming was for real, or he wouldn't have jeopardized his Vice-President's upcoming election. I believe as bad as this was, it wasn't insurmountable because it was primarily a betrayal against his own family and many would consider this private behavior.

The second and much more devastating betrayal against Al Gore was when Bill Clinton looked the American People in the camera lens and told them quite adamantly that he never had sexual relations with that woman. The only question I have regarding this incident is, did Hillary know Bill was guilty and encourage him to go on national television and lie to the American People regardless? This turned a family betrayal in to a national one, he lied to everyone at this point, he and certainly Al Gore would've been much better off had he kept his mouth shut or at least admitted the truth up front, because this act gave Bush the integrity issue ammunition on a silver platter. Bush's cronies knew it as well, that's why he ran on "restoring honor and integrity to the White House" and that's why the corporate media slandered and libeled Al Gore relentlessly within weeks after Clinton's impeachment, morphing Clinton's lie of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" in to a smear job of "Al Gore claimed to the invented the Internet" being just one example of many" lies the media used in transferring the sins of the President on to the Vice-President.

The third time was at the 2000 convention it self, read the bold-ed paragraph below and couple that with what seemed like a ten minute self aggrandizing walk down the hall way, when he could've used that precious national prime time air time to promote Al Gore for President. There was nothing delicate about he walk down the hall way at the convention. It was always about Bill until Hillary supposedly had him by the short hairs and then it was always about Hillary, this is a large reason as to why we have Cheney/Bush in the White House today, why we're in Iraq, why we torture and why the Constitution has been turned in to toilet paper, etc. etc.

"During his all-night conversation with Ken Burns in June, Bill "spoke movingly of the Democratic National Convention that was coming," Burns recalled, "and how because he was on the backside of scandal and impeachment he had a more delicate role to play."

I can't help but be amazed by people who claim Al Gore made a mistake by not using Bill Clinton more. Should your "friend' and boss stab you in the back once, one could make an excuse for them and say, hey he just tripped with that Bowie Knife in his hand and it was an accident. If the same "friend"; whom you stood up for when he needed you the most, then stabbed you in the back twice, you might still forgive them and say, he just tripped with the Bowie Knife in his right hand and the K-Bar in his left hand, that too was an accident. Now if the same "friend" stabs you in the back three times, you might begin to question their loyalty and say he just tripped with the Bowie Knife in his right hand, the K-Bar in his left, but where in the hell did that rusty butter knife come from!? I believe between that and those people screaming from the side lines for you to give your "friend" another chance, would be enough to make anybody want to go to Spain for a while and grow a beard.

Final conclusion, does anyone see any irony in the corporate media's 180 on the Clintons; people they waged a witch hunt against from the beginning to the end of his eight years in office. Today the same corporate media believe the same man should be our nation's very first First Gentleman, only they're having difficulty using that term, it's more like First Spouse or First Husband, even though First Gentleman would be a more applicable counter title to First Lady.

I believe their primary target was Al Gore from the beginning precisely because he empowered the people when he became the primary political champion of the Internet while he was in Congress and later as Vice-President, thus threatening their monopoly on information, information = knowledge = money, power and influence and as the Internet grew in power and influence they came to resent Al Gore for it. I call this the Prometheus Effect and if Al Gore is analogous to Prometheus, Hillary Clinton is the corporate media's Pandora for the people.

I did appreciate him in the early 90s, but to me, he squandered the best thing he ever did as President and that was choosing Al Gore as his Vice-President only to then undermine Al when it became his turn to run.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:53 PM
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41. Nor his refusal to adopt
universal health or single payer heath care when asked about this by a letter from Dennis Kucinich. Too much HMO contributions.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:15 AM
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43. It was a bad choice. And it was all about the blowjob.
Or, more specifically, Lieberman's finger-wagging shtick in response to the dreaded blowjob.

But, as others have pointed out, 2000 was a lifetime ago in many respects, and Lieberman didn't have the baggage around Iraq and being a Neo-Con that he does today.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:16 AM
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44. It was a 'committee' advised strategic move...ill advised as it turns out!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:42 AM
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45. what make you think Al Gore got to choose?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 03:43 AM
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49. I opine: Al was set up by Pub Paid Moles posing as confidantes...
Al sucked for the Story of JoeMomentum....

By the time it showed up, recall VP Debate where Cheney had some chopped chicken for din din, it was TOO LATE. I knew it then and still hold the feelings more so from recent events...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:42 PM
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53. most major "democratic" campaigns over the last 30 years
have been run by repuke moles


but then most of the "democratic" candidates are repuke moles too, so NBD
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:20 AM
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54. Ain't this the shits....IE Chuckie and DiFi
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:45 AM
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46. He ran as a centrist, and wanted to distance himself from Clinton. Holy Joe
fit the bill.

Didn't work too well, I don't think.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 03:18 AM
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48. Gore wanted distance between himself and Clinton. Here's why he chose Lieberman:
Remember, Gore was pissed as hell at Clinton. He even refused Bill and Hillary's offer to campaign for him. I think Lieberman was his way of saying he agreed with what Lieberman said on the Senate floor...without saying it himself.

I'm with you. I still can't believe I voted for Lieberman. Although, Gore would have kept him in line, I think. There's no way Gore would have turned as far right as Lieberman has.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman Speaks On Clinton
Sept. 3, 1998

In September 1998 Democratic Sen. Joseph Lieberman took to the Senate floor to condemn President Bill Clinton's marital infidelity as immoral, disgraceful and damaging to the country. These are his comments:

LIEBERMAN: I was disappointed because the president of the United States had just confessed to engaging in an extramarital affair with a young woman in his employ and to willfully deceiving the nation about his conduct. I was personally angry because President Clinton had, by his disgraceful behavior, jeopardized his administration's historic record of accomplishment, much of which grew out of the principles and programs that he and I and many others had worked on together in the new Democratic movement.


I was also angry because I was one of the many people who had said over the preceding seven months that, if the president clearly and explicitly denies the allegations against him, then of course I believed him.

Well, since that Monday night, I have not commented on this matter publicly. I thought I had an obligation to consider the president's admissions more objectively, less personally and to try to put them in a clearer perspective. And I felt that I owed that much to the president for whom I have great affection and admiration and who I truly believe has worked tirelessly to make life tangibly better in so many ways for so many Americans.

But the truth is that after much reflection, my feelings of disappointment and anger have not dissipated, except now these feelings have gone beyond my personal dismay to a larger, graver sense of loss for our country, a reckoning of the damage that the president's conduct has done to the proud legacy of his presidency and, ultimately, an accounting of the impact of his actions on our democracy and its moral foundations.

The implications for our country are so serious that I feel a responsibility to my constituents in Connecticut, as well as to my conscience, to voice my concerns forthrightly and publicly. And I can think of no more appropriate place to do that than on this great Senate floor.

I've chosen to speak particularly at this time before the independent counsel files his report because, while we do not know enough yet to answer the question of whether there are legal consequences of the president's conduct, we do know enough from what the president acknowledged on August 17th to answer a separate and distinct set of questions about the moral consequences for our country.

Mr. President, I have come to this floor many times in the past to speak with my colleagues about the concerns which are so widely shared in this chamber and throughout the nation that our society's standards are sinking; that our common moral code is deteriorating and that our public life is coarsening. In doing so, I have specifically criticized leaders of the entertainment industry for the way they have used the enormous influence the wield to weaken our common values. And now, because the president commands at least as much attention and exerts at least as much influence on our collective consciousness as any Hollywood celebrity or television show, it is hard to ignore the impact of the misconduct the president has admitted to on our culture, on our character and on our children.

To begin with, I must respectfully disagree with the president's contention that his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and the way in which he misled us about it is nobody's business but his family's and that even presidents have private lives, as he said.

Whether he or we think it fair or not, the reality is in 1998, that a president's private life is public. Contemporary news media standards will have it no other way. And surely, this president was given fair notice of that by the amount of time the news media has dedicated to investigating his personal life during the 1992 campaign and in the years since.

But there is more to this than modern media intrusiveness. The president is not just the elected leader of our country. He is as presidential scholar Clinton Rossiter (ph) observed, and I quote, "the one man distillation of the American people." And as President Taft said at another time, "the personal embodiment and representative of their dignity and majesty."

So, when his personal conduct is embarrassing, it is sadly so not just for him and his family, it is embarrassing for all of us as Americans.

The president is a role model. And because of his prominence in the moral authority that emanates from his office, sets standards of behavior for the people he serves.

His duty, as the Reverend Nathan Baxter (ph) of he National Cathedral here in Washington said in a recent sermon, is nothing less than the stewardship of our values. So no matter how much the president or others may wish to compartmentalize the different spheres of his life, the inescapable truth is that the president's private conduct can and often does have profound public consequences.

In this case, the president apparently had extramarital relations with an employee half his age and did so in the workplace in the vicinity of the Oval Office. Such behavior is not just inappropriate. It is immoral. And it is harmful, for it sends a message of what is acceptable behavior to the larger American family -- particularly to our children -- which is as influential as the negative messages communicated by the entertainment culture.

If you doubt that, just ask America's parents about the intimate and frequently unseemly sexual questions their young children have been asking them and discussing since the president's relationship with Ms. Lewinsky became public seven months ago. I have had many of those conversations with parents, particularly in Connecticut, and from them I conclude that parents across our country feel much as I do that something very sad and sordid has happened in American life when I cannot watch the news on television with my 10-year-old daughter anymore.

This, unfortunately, is all-too-familiar territory for America's families in today's anything-goes culture, where sexual promiscuity is too often treated as just another lifestyle choice with little risk of adverse consequences.

It is this mindset that has helped to threaten the stability and integrity of the family, which continues to be the most important unit of civilized society, the place where we raise our children and teach them to be responsible citizens, to develop and nurture their personal and moral faculties.

President Clinton, in fact, has shown during the course of his presidency that he understands this and the broad concern in the public about the threat to the family.

He has used the bully pulpit of his presidency to eloquently and effectively call for the renewal of our common values -- particularly the principle of personal responsibility and our common commitment to family.

And he has spoken out admirably against sexual promiscuity among teenagers in clear terms of right and wrong, emphasizing the consequences involved.

Now, all of that makes the president's misconduct so confusing and so damaging.

The president's relationship with Ms. Lewinsky not only contradicted the values he has publicly embraced over the last six years, it has, I fear, compromised his moral authority at a time when Americans of every political persuasion agree that the decline of the family is one of the most pressing problems we are facing.

Nevertheless, I believe the president could have lessened the harm his relationship with Ms. Lewinksy has caused if he had acknowledged his mistake and spoken with candor about it to the American people shortly after it became public in January.

But, as we now know, he chose not to do this. This deception is particularly troubling because it was not just a reflexive, and many ways, understandable human act of concealment to protect himself and his family from what he called the embarrassment of his own conduct when he was confronted with it in the deposition in the Jones case. But rather, it was the intentional and pre-meditated decision to do so.

In choosing this path, I fear that the president has undercut the efforts of millions of American parents who are naturally trying to instill in our children the value of honesty. As most any mother and father knows, kids have a singular ability to detect double standards. So, we can safely assume that it will be that much more difficult to convince our sons and daughters of the importance of telling the truth when the most powerful man in the nation evades it. Many parents I have spoken with in Connecticut confirm this unfortunate consequence.

The president's intentional and consistent statements, more deeply,may also undercut the trust that the American people have in his word. Under the Constitution, as presidential scholar Newsted (ph) has noted, the president's ultimate source of authority, particularly his moral authority, is the power to persuade, to mobilize public opinion, to build consensus behind a common agenda. And at this, the president has been extraordinarily effective.

But that power hinges on the president's support among the American people and their faith and confidence in his motivations and agenda, yes; but also in his word.

As Teddy Roosevelt once explained, "My power vanishes into thin air the instant that my fellow citizens, who are straight and honest, cease to believe that I represent them and fight for what is straight and honest. That is all the strength that I have," Roosevelt said.

Sadly, with his deception, President Clinton may have weakened the great power and strength that he possesses, of which President Roosevelt spoke.

I know this is a concern that may of my colleagues share, which is to say that the president has hurt his credibility and therefore perhaps his chances of moving his policy agenda forward.

But I believe that the harm the president's actions have caused extend beyond the political arena. I am afraid that the misconduct the president has admitted may be reinforcing one of the worst messages being delivered by our popular culture, which is that values are fungible. And I am concerned that his misconduct may help to blur some of the most important bright lines of right and wrong in our society.

Mr. President, I said at the outset that this was a very difficult statement to write and deliver. That is true, very true. And it is true in large part because it is so personal and yet needs to be public, but also because of my fear that it will appear unnecessarily judgmental. I truly regret this.

I know from the Bible that only God can judge people. The most that we can do is to comment without condemning individuals. And in this case, I have tried to comment on the consequences of the president's conduct on our country.

I know that the president is far from alone in the wrongdoing he has admitted. We as humans are all imperfect. We are all sinners. Many have betrayed a loved one and most have told lies. Members of Congress have certainly been guilty of such behavior, as have some previous presidents.

We try to understand. We must try to understand the complexity and difficulty of personal relationships, which should give us pause before passing judgment on them.

We all fall short of the standards our best values set for us -- certainly I do.

But the president, by virtue of the office he sought and was elected to, has traditionally been held to a higher standard. This is as it should be because the American president, as I quoted earlier, is not just the one man distillation of the American people, but today the most powerful person in the world. And as such, the consequences of his misbehavior, even private misbehavior, are much greater than that of an average citizen, a CEO or even a Senator.

That's what I believe presidential scholar James David Barber (ph) in his book "The Presidential Character" was getting at when he wrote that the public demands quote, "a sense of legitimacy from and in the presidency. There is more to this than dignity -- more than propriety. The president is expected to personify our betterness in an inspiring way; to express in what he does and is, not just what he says, a moral idealism which in much of the public mind is the very opposite of politics."

Just as the American people are demanding of their leaders, though, they are also fundamentally fair and forgiving, which is why I was so hopeful the president could begin to repair the damage done with his address to the nation on the 17th. But like so many others, I came away feeling that for reasons that are thoroughly human, he missed a great opportunity that night. He failed to clearly articulate to the American people that he recognized how significant and consequential his wrongdoing was and how badly he felt about it.

He failed to show, I think, that he understood his behavior had diminished the office he holds and the country he serves and that it is inconsistent with the mainstream American values that he has advanced as president. And I regret that he failed to acknowledge that while Mr. Starr and Ms. Lewinsky, Mrs. Tripp and the news media have each in their own way contributed to the crisis we now face, his presidency would not be imperiled if it had not been for the behavior he himself described as wrong and inappropriate. Because the conduct the president admitted to that night was serious, and his assumption of responsibility inadequate.

The last three weeks have been dominated by a cacophony of media and political voices calling for impeachment or resignation or censure, while a lesser chorus implores us to move on and get this matter behind us.

Appealing as that latter option may be to many people who are understandably weary of this crisis, the transgressions the president has admitted to are too consequential for us to walk away and leave the impression for our children today and for our posterity tomorrow that what he acknowledges he did within the White House is acceptable behavior for our nation's leader. On the contrary, as I have said, it is wrong and unacceptable and should be followed by some measure of public rebuke and accountability.

We in Congress, selected representatives of all the American people, are surely capable institutionally of expressing such disapproval through a resolution of reprimand or censure of the president for his misconduct. But it is premature to do so, as my colleagues of both parties seem to agree, until we have received the report of the independent counsel and the White House's response to it.

In the same way, it seems to me that talk of impeachment and resignation at this time is unjust and unwise. It is unjust because we do not know enough in fact, and will not until the independent counsel reports and the White House responds to conclude whether we have crossed the high threshold our constitution rightly sets for overturning the results of a popular election in our democracy and bringing on the national trauma of removing an incumbent president from office.

For now, in fact, all we know for certain is what the president acknowledged on August 17th. As far as I can see, the rest is rumor, speculation or hearsay -- much less then is required by members of the House and Senate in the dispatch of the solemn responsibilities that the Constitution gives us in such circumstances.

And I believe that talk of impeachment and resignation now is unwise because it ignores the reality that while the independent counsel proceeds with his investigation, the president is still our nation's leader, our commander-in-chief. Economic uncertainty and other problems here at home, as well as the physical and political crises in Russia and Asia and the growing threats posed by Iraq, North Korea and worldwide terrorism all demand the president's focused leadership. For that reason, while the legal process move forward, I believe it is important that we provide the president with the time and space and support he needs to carry out his most important duties and protect our national interest and security.

That time and space may also give the president additional opportunities to accept personal responsibility, to rebuild public trust in his leadership, to really commit himself to the values of opportunity, responsibility and community that brought him to office, and to act to heal the wounds in our national character.

In the meantime, as the debate on this matter proceeds and as the investigation goes forward, we would be advised, I would respectfully suggest, to heed the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln's second annual address to Congress in 1862.

With the nation at war with itself, President Lincoln warned, and I quote, "If there ever could be a time for mere catch arguments, that time is surely not now. In times like the present, men should utter nothing for which they would not willingly be responsible through time and eternity."

I believe that we are at such a time again today.

There's so much at stake, we, too, must resist the impulse toward catch arguments and reflex reactions. Let us proceed in accordance with our nation's traditional moral compass -- yes -- but in a manner that is fair and at a pace that is deliberate and responsible.

Let us as a nation honestly confront the damage that the president's actions over the last seven months have caused, but not to the exclusion of the good that his leadership has done over the past six years, nor at the expense of our common interest as Americans. And let us be guided by the conscience of the Constitution, which calls on us to place the common good above any partisan or personal interest, as we now in our time work together to resolve this serious challenge to our democracy.

I thank the chair. I thank my colleagues. And I yield the floor.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:35 AM
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51. I agree symbolman
I've heard a half-dozen explanations but none of them make perfect sense. Probably one of the biggest blunders in political history.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:44 AM
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55. I feel after 9-11 it would have been President Liberman
Could you imagine that set up? Seems like they were going to do this and had Liberman in the wings ready to fulfill the PNAC Vision if Shrub was not selected!

Got Fascism Yet?
http://web.archive.org/web/20030602211200/
Fascism Accomplished!
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