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Over at Jim Robinson's FreeRepublic...
...they are having a united fit of insanity over this post. Perhaps they forget that it was Bush and Cheney who took us to war and it was a rubber stamp Republican Congress that allowed them to do so. Ah, well, facts don't matter to the insanely stupid.

Enjoy the bedlam and here's the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786455/posts


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Diddling While Americans Die
Townhall.com ^ | February 17, 2007 | Oliver North


Posted on 02/17/2007 4:55:47 AM PST by flynmudd


SPOTSYLVANIA, Va. -- He was an American hero. On his second tour of duty in Iraq, he had already served in the Western Pacific and a prior combat tour in Afghanistan. On Friday afternoon, Feb. 16, when Sgt. Joshua Frazier, USMC, was laid to rest in the soil of his native Virginia, his comrades in arms from the 1st Battalion, 6th Marines were fighting terrorists on the mean streets of Ramadi, in Iraq's bloody Al Anbar Province. As Sgt. Frazier's grieving mother was being presented with a carefully folded American flag, the Congress of the United States was debating a meaningless "non-binding resolution" attacking the commander in chief.

Heroes aren't athletes who set new sports records or Hollywood actors who make "daring" films or politicians who make bold promises. Heroes are people who place themselves at risk for the benefit of others. Joshua Frazier was certainly such a man. Unfortunately, there are far too few members of Congress who fit the definition.

At Joshua's funeral, I gave his parents photographs of their son that had been taken a few weeks ago while I was embedded with his unit in Iraq. We had just returned from a patrol to a newly re-opened school where little Iraqi girls were being taught arithmetic. Standing around us in the photo are the Sunni police officers and Shia soldiers who had accompanied us on the mission. Sweat stains from his 40-pound flak jacket are still evident on his uniform and he is smiling through exhaustion into the lens. He and his squad of Marines had been up for more than 24 hours chasing down an enemy sniper. His is one of more than two dozen Army, Marine, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard units whose tours will be extended in Iraq in order to increase U.S. troop levels by 21,500. These are the young Americans who will bear the brunt of what Congress is doing.

Sgt. Frazier is one of more than 2,500 U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq. Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims the resolution being debated by the House of Representatives is a measure that "will continue to support and protect" U.S. military personnel. Yet, she also says it shows "Congress disapproves of the decision of President George W. Bush announced on Jan. 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq." How this does anything but damage U.S. and Iraqi morale and embolden America's adversaries is beyond comprehension.

"The American people have lost faith in President Bush's course of action in Iraq," Pelosi said Tuesday as the resolution was introduced. She said the president's plan "is based on the judgment that the way out of Iraq lies in sending more troops in," adding, "our experience has proven just the opposite."

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, "our experience," in Pelosi's words, has proven that pulling U.S. forces out before the war is won is a formula for disaster. In Korea, the decision to withdraw U.N. troops to the 38th parallel resulted in stalemate and today's despotic, nuclear-armed regime in Pyongyang. In Vietnam, the congressional cut-off of funds in December 1974 precipitated the North Vietnamese communist takeover of the entire country less than five months later. The combined losses in both wars -- more than 108,000 Americans killed in action -- should be an object lesson for this Congress. Pulling out, holding back, withdrawing support, "de-funding" the war -- whatever it's called -- is tantamount to squandering lives.

Is that where this Congress is heading? Are the lives of courageous young American volunteers like Joshua Frazier worth so little to our Congress that they would ignore our peril for perverse personal political profit?

If the morale of America's soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines doesn't have meaning to our legislators, then perhaps they should look at what America's enemies are doing. While Congress debates hollow, but ultimately damaging legislation, there is new assertiveness in Iran -- on everything from acquiring nuclear arms to supplying terror cells in Iraq with advanced weaponry. Tehran's radical Islamic theocracy headed by Grand Ayatollah Khamenei doesn't have to worry about "resolutions of non-support," but they are very adept at measuring American ambivalence and uncertainty.

This week's "show and tell" of captured Iranian sniper rifles, surface-to-air missiles, mortar rounds, sophisticated "explosively formed penetrators" and evidence of Iranian complicity in killing more than 170 Americans elicited nary a peep from the new Congressional leadership. They were more concerned with their pet resolution -- and getting Pelosi a bigger military airplane for her commute between Washington and San Francisco. That's a telling signal to Tehran that our Congress is backing away from protecting our vital interests and our troops.

Nero fiddled as Rome burned. Today, Congress diddles as Americans die. Tomorrow, we may all pay the price.



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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: IRAQ
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1 posted on 02/17/2007 4:55:48 AM PST by flynmudd
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We dont have a Congress we have a determined group of people with stated intentions of selling us out to gain political power.
Selling us out in Iraq
Selling us out to Mexican illegals
Selling us out to Envirowhacko's




2 posted on 02/17/2007 5:02:41 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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They don't care. This is all about taking down GWB at any and all costs. If they take the WH the story would start to change but only where the US military would be sent in under the direction of the UN or where we needed to enforce gay marriage or other liberal social agendas.




3 posted on 02/17/2007 5:02:58 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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I cannot think of a time I was more ashamed of the Congress than the current crop of traitors and seditionist.
They are the most gutless, spineless, feckless, unprincipled group of elected representatives I have ever seen.


4 posted on 02/17/2007 5:03:06 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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I am increasingly convinced that overwhelming military action is the right solution to this problem - in Washington, D.C.



5 posted on 02/17/2007 5:05:23 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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Are you calling for the overthrow of our own government?



6 posted on 02/17/2007 5:10:34 AM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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Didn't one of the founding fathers say something to the effect of "occasional rebellion is a necessary part of democracy." I know I'm paraphrasing and simplifying, but I'm too lazy to find the exact quote at this point.



7 posted on 02/17/2007 5:13:28 AM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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How about an overwhelming massive protest. The silent majority descending upon our nations capital to be silent no more.

8 posted on 02/17/2007 5:17:03 AM PST by SHOOT THE MOON bat ("Aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords" Teddy Roosevelt)
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I do believe the Enemies Within Our Own Congress mean it when they say they support the troops.
THEY SUPPORT THE TROOPS OF AL QAEDA!


9 posted on 02/17/2007 5:31:47 AM PST by Sal (Once you know they sold USA out to Red China, what do you think they would NOT do?)
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re: Are you calling for the overthrow of our own government?

I don't know about the person of whom you ask this question, but speaking for myself, yes I am calling for an overthrow of our own government. We are once again suffering from the very problems sited in the Declaration of Independence as the justification for kicking out the Crown. Read them for yourself.

I would prefer the overthrow happen as the result of elections in which Americans show they've had enough, but no less an authority than Abraham Lincoln acknowledged that it's the right, in fact the duty, of a people to rid themselves of bad government even if it means bloodshed.

At some point we aren't going to have to worry about it any longer, the Islamofascists will launch an attack with WMD that will render us all but overthrown. The question is just about to become simply whether we do it ourselves or wait for our enemies to do it to us.

At the risk of boring everyone who's seen me post them time and again, here are some words from Abraham Lincoln, spoken over 130 years ago, but more important today than since the day he spoke them:

"This government must be preserved in spite of the acts of any man or set of men. Nowhere in the world is presented a government of so much liberty and equality. To the humblest and poorest among us are held the highest privileges and positions.

What constitutes the bulwark of our liberty and independence? It is not the frowning battlements, or bristling seacoast, our army and navy. These are not our reliance against tyranny. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in us. Our defense is in the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doors.

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?

Never. All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined could not, by force, take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up among us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we ourselves, must be its author and its finisher. As a nation of free men, we must live through all time . . . or die by suicide.

Surely God would not have created such a being as man, with an ability to grasp the infinite to exist only for a day. No . . . No . . . Man was made for immortality."

Pretty sobering words for a man who has been dead for over a century, but knew what he was talking about and walked the walk!



10 posted on 02/17/2007 5:33:44 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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I think an overwhelming, massive protest would be very good for us. It might not change many minds in Washington, but it would sure show our enemy that Congress is not speaking for the majority of Americans when it passes these damning resolutions.

But I suggest a massive turnout not in Washington, but all across America, in every berg, village, town and city. At noon on a Saturday to show the world, and Congress, that we want this war won and we want it done in whatever way it takes to win it!

Imagine what effect it would have on the Islamofascists to see millions of Americans calling for their defeat. One of the things that keeps them going and encourages them is the belief that we don't have what it takes to prevent them from shoving their worthless religion down our throats.

Just a thought!

11 posted on 02/17/2007 5:38:18 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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When zou overthrow the govt. what are you going to replace it with? What do you do with the President?



12 posted on 02/17/2007 5:44:58 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I don't care what side of the debate you are on: Weather is not Climate)
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Make that 2.



13 posted on 02/17/2007 5:50:23 AM PST by DownInFlames
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Bump



14 posted on 02/17/2007 5:50:55 AM PST by nuconvert ( (...but his head is so tiny...))
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15 posted on 02/17/2007 5:52:11 AM PST by Jen's Mom (Liberals are the enemy within)
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Who are these people in Congress? I don't think we know anymore. They do not act in the best interest of the American people. So they must not be Americans. They do not speak for me. None of them. I DO question their patriotism, and I am sick of these traitors asking that question, when it is obvious they are in no way patriots.



16 posted on 02/17/2007 6:00:19 AM PST by indylindy (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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Are you planning on coming to DC on March 17th? I'll be there to support our troops against the anti-war crowd. Everybody is always up in arms about how horrible our government is but don't go any farther than their keyboard. I know that we all have jobs and families, but what sacrifice have we made? I've sent money, care packages, phone cards etc. But that was just a monetary sacrifice. I want a chance to pit myself against the anti-war, anti-American crowd. My son went with me once to keep me from getting into trouble, he's deployed this time so I'm going stag.



17 posted on 02/17/2007 6:06:04 AM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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20 years from now and all through history, people will look at what was done today and spit on the democrats. Nobody will ever admit to voting for a democrat EVER. The name of Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, and Durbin will be the equal of Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw Haw. Craven Coward will be written after their names whenever they are written.



18 posted on 02/17/2007 6:06:36 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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"As a nation of free men, we must live through all time...or die by suicide."
The majority of the House of Representatives is choosing the latter.


19 posted on 02/17/2007 6:08:29 AM PST by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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"I do believe the Enemies Within Our Own Congress mean it when they say they support the troops."



20 posted on 02/17/2007 6:09:28 AM PST by musicman
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I hope we are still The United States of America in 20 years and not the Islamic States of America.



21 posted on 02/17/2007 6:09:43 AM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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Are the lives of courageous young American volunteers like Joshua Frazier worth so little to our Congress that they would ignore our peril for perverse personal political profit?

Wait, wait, let me guess! Uhhh...yes?

22 posted on 02/17/2007 6:12:11 AM PST by George W. Bush
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:23 AM
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1. flynmudd should be more worried about the United States of Asia.
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 09:24 AM by HypnoToad
Offshoring...

(he's already scared to death over Mexican immigrants coming to take jobs... therefore he must be just as appalled over our country's hemorrhaging of jobs.)
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:32 AM
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3. "facts don't matter to the insanely stupid"
It's like looking into a fishbowl.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:31 AM
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2. Love the post about "overwhelming massive protest"
Like, say, their counterprotests in DC? OR NYC?, or Crawford?

Haard to have a massive protest when you can only get the same 20 people to show up at these things. Maybe they can bring "flat freeper" cardboard cutouts to increase their numbers....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:40 AM
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6. freep logic:


freep logic: Call for the overthrow of the government because it's full of "seditionists".

:rofl:
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:46 AM
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9. Yes, cognitive disconnection is their game....
...freely elected representatives = seditionists
...fire-bombing anarchists = patriots who love freedom

Black is White
Up is Down
War is Peace

Cue Bowie's 1984:

Someday they won't let you, so now you must agree
The times they are a-telling, and the changing isn't free
You've read it in the tea leaves, and the tracks are on TV
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984

They'll split your pretty cranium, and fill it full of air
And tell that you're eighty, but brother, you won't care
You'll be shooting up on anything, tomorrow's never there
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984

CHORUS
Come see, come see, remember me?
We played out an all night movie role
You said it would last, but I guess we enrolled
In 1984 (who could ask for more)
1984 (who could ask for mor-or-or-or-ore)
(Mor-or-or-or-ore)

I'm looking for a vehicle, I'm looking for a ride
I'm looking for a party, I'm looking for a side
I'm looking for the treason that I knew in '65
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984

CHORUS

1984
1984
1984 (more)
1984
1984 (more)
1984
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:03 AM
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10. OMG ! A MASSIVE PROTEST...... I bet they could round up at least
23 people if they put out the call to protest against...against THIER OWN DAMN pRESIDENT ?????

Love these 2 posts...like it could really happen.

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How about an overwhelming massive protest. The silent majority descending upon our nations capital to be silent no more.

>

I think an overwhelming, massive protest would be very good for us. It might not change many minds in Washington, but it would sure show our enemy that Congress is not speaking for the majority of Americans when it passes these damning resolutions.

But I suggest a massive turnout not in Washington, but all across America, in every berg, village, town and city. At noon on a Saturday to show the world, and Congress, that we want this war won and we want it done in whatever way it takes to win it!

Imagine what effect it would have on the Islamofascists to see millions of Americans calling for their defeat. One of the things that keeps them going and encourages them is the belief that we don't have what it takes to prevent them from shoving their worthless religion down our throats.



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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:34 AM
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4. jwparkerjr. may be on to something here....
"I think an overwhelming, massive protest would be very good for us."

You mean like this one:



Led by guys with such insightful placards as this one:

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:38 AM
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5. "Fighting for gay marriage"
"Under the direction of the UN". :rofl: These people have rich fantasy lives.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:41 AM
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7. "Silent majority"?
:rofl:

When have those loudmouths ever been silent, or a majority?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:43 AM
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8. Well, they are the Moran Majority.of the USA.
:hi:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:31 AM
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11. Only way to get FBI/Secret Service to see FreeRepublic threat postings is reposting at DU
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 10:32 AM by papau
Now I wonder if they will visit these folks, like they visited those making idiot comments at DU?

Doubt it.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:38 AM
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12. Gee, you think.... :-)
eom
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:55 AM
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13. It's really kinda sad...
..how delusional the Upside-Down People are.
But, that's what happens when one suffers from Upside-Down Syndrome.

Blustery words from cowards who will never follow through. On anything!
Macho pronouncements from pussies who will NEVER REALLY put themselves on the line.
Rabid support for those who constantly rape them and steal anything of value that they may have.
They would rather kill their fellow Americans than admit that maybe they are wrong about something that they never understood in the first place.
It's just oh so easy for them to pass judgment, and yet they will never see their own flaws.

Sad, really...
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