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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:02 PM
Original message
Romney Calls on Judge to Resign
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:04 PM by Breeze54
Romney Calls on Judge to Resign

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-7100694,00.html

Saturday November 24, 2007 4:46 PM

BOSTON (AP) -

Mitt Romney has called on a Massachusetts Superior Court judge he appointed to resign after
she released a convicted killer without bail, and the man allegedly killed a newlywed couple
in Washington state.

In a statement, Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said Judge Kathe Tuttman's decision to free
Daniel Tavares Jr. ``represented an inexplicable lapse in judgment and was inexcusable.''

``Unless there are facts unknown to us, Governor Romney believes Judge Tuttman should resign,''

Fehrnstrom said.

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Romney, who is seeking the Republican nomination for president, appointed Tuttman in April 2006.
Fehrnstrom said Tuttman, a career prosecutor, had a reputation that suggested she would be a
``law-and-order'' judge. ``Otherwise, she never would have been appointed,''
Fehrnstrom said.

More...

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. What is it with right wingers and the judicial system?
They don't appear to understand how it works.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. I don't know if the judge is a RWer...
but she may be!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. I was thinking about Romney
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. But the Dems
in MA also approved her and trust me, Romney was a lame duck
for the whole two years he actually "served" as Gov!

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Yes they do. They are milking the prisons for Massive Profits
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:11 PM by SpiralHawk
The more people they throw in jail, the bigger the profits for their republicon homelander cronies...

It's actually very simple...albeit skankily immoral and unjust.

What would Jesus do? Impeach the republicon homelanders...fer sure.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. In this case though, they let him out!
:P

I don't believe MA has any private prisons.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. It's all about getting money into rural communities where prisons are located.
The census even adds the prison number to the general population of that area to raise the funding a community gets.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
42. They understand how to work it, though...
...about every four years.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
2. So in Romney's amurka any judge he appoints
has to check with him before rendering any verdict? Is this guy real or just a cardboard cutout?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I don't believe that is what he's saying at all.
He is under attack because this judge he appointed released

a known killer on bail and the killer killed again.

I posted the link to the original story in my OP.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
41. Smoke and mirrors -obfuscastion
Romney knows his own 'judgment' is on the line here. Fugg him.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:06 PM
Response to Original message
3. Grandstanding idiot...
I hope people see Romney for what he is.... capitalizing on this tragedy... He is without conscience.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Did you read the original article?
:shrug:

I can't stand him either but I think he's trying to defend himself for what another person did.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Romney is another pretender
He is the worlds worse person. He has done nothing but blame everyone else for his mistakes. How dare they give out judgeships based on their convoluted judgment. He is such a jerk. He is an example of what is wrong with the US. He will continue to wreck this country if people are stupid enough to elect him. Everything for the rich just as he did in MA. Left uss with a 1.3 billion dollar deficit.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. * is the world's worst person, in my book!
Many Dems in MA supported Romney's decision to appoint this judge.

I live here in MA, so you don't have to school me on what a jerk 'Mitt the Shit' is!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
43. He's taken a courageous stance here...
...against murder. Next up, he'll come out strongly in favor of motherhood and apple pie.

I think he's dreamy.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. That too...
Yes. I'm sure he is trying to deflect any criticism from his own role in picking the judge. I'm not sure how that is more honorable a motive than simple grandstanding, but I agree, I think both are at play.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. The Dems in the MA state house also approved her
with wide praise!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. No he is trying to wreck somebody else's life to further his ambitions.
As usual, mittens put his finger up in the wind (neat trick wearing mittens) and determined that the best course of action was to ruin somebody else so that he would not be vulnerable to a Willy Horten Attack from the fascist creeps that run the party he belongs to.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. No, he's not. The judge is a fucking moran!
Romney was attacked for appointing her because of this idiotic decision she made
but all the Democratic legislators also approved her and nobody had a crystal ball
that she would have made such a stupid decision. I don't like him either but I don't
agree that her decision is his fault. She had a great resume and experience.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. That may be, but that has nothing to do with Romney's actions.
It wouldn't matter at all if the judge had great reasons to let this guy out without bail. Romney should not be interfering in state politics at all. He isn't the governor. He hardly even lives there. His only interest in this case is saving his own political hide.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. I hardly think he's interfering in state politics.
The parents of the murdered couple in WA attacked him for appointing this judge.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Calling for the resignation of a Superior Court judge is not interferring?
What the heck would be?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. He was defending himself.
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:57 PM by Breeze54
It isn't like he has any say in MA anymore, as if he really ever did. :P

Besides, he said: "Romney believes Judge Tuttman should resign"

So, he didn't actually call for her resignation but is saying it's a good idea.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
44. Maybe, but I can not conclude that from the limited facts
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 02:28 PM by hlthe2b
presented on the case and the decisions in this article...The basic facts certainly argue that this guy should never have been released, but it does not present any background that led to her decision...Perhaps, living in Massachusetts you have more details. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there is any level of "sage wisdom" that can totally predict when a violent offender will repeat, but most state laws and procedures aren't designed to permanently incarcerate. It seems a lot of judges then have to decide among the worst of the worst--who to let out and who to keep behind bars in order to not effect a Federal order forcing them to "clear" the overcrowded jails.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. The facts are still emerging... afaik
He made death threats to many public officials while he was in prison.

That seems to be a pretty good indicator that he should remain there!

The judge is an idiot.

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Slain Graham couple mourned; Romney slams Massachusetts judge

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/state/story/9476468p-9387591c.html

Published Saturday, November 24th, 2007

The Associated Press

FEDERAL WAY, Wash. (AP) -

Relatives and friends of a slain Graham couple had a chance to celebrate their
lives at a memorial service Saturday at the Federal Way Community Center.

Brian Mauck, 30, and Beverly Mauck, 28, were found shot to death Nov. 17 at their home.


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Prosecutors had tried to keep Tavares behind bars for allegedly assaulting
two prison guards while he was nearing the end of his sentence. Fehrnstrom
said Tavares had also threatened in a letter intercepted by prison officials
in February 2006 to kill Romney and other state officials. When Romney was
in Seattle on Monday, he was warned that Tavares might be in the area
,
Fehrnstrom said. Tavares had moved to Washington to marry a prison pen pal.


That seems like enough evidence to have kept him locked up.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Yes.. and certainly enough to make one wonder why the Press
has not tried to ascertain WHY she did not keep him locked up? Aren't you curious as to her justification? Just saying...

I agree with your premise, but we do not appear to have the full story.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. The press has been trying but she's refused to comment repeatedly.
Of course I'm curious but the news is not on TV right now and I don't have cable. She's not talking!!

Why wouldn't you think I was curious about her? I posted TWO articles about this!

Tuttman released killer without bail

Globe Staff / November 24, 2007

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/24/romney_calls_for_judge_to_resign/

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When Romney appointed her in April 2006, he was under pressure to put more women on the bench.
A registered Democrat, she had worked since 1989 as a prosecutor in Essex County, where
she was director of the family crimes and sexual assault unit.

During Tuttman's confirmation hearing, several members of the Governor's Council criticized Romney
for nominating another prosecutor, saying he was overlooking qualified defense lawyers. But several
witnesses urged the council to confirm Tuttman. The council confirmed Tuttman by a 7-0 vote.

more....


What makes it even worse is she's a registered democrat! :grr:

Judge declines comment on killer's release

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2007/11/judge_declines.html

November 24, 07 03:01 PM

By Matt Viser, Globe Staff

Massachusetts Superior Court Judge Kathe Tuttman, who is at the center of a growing controversy that
has former Governor Mitt Romney calling for her resignation, declined to comment on the issue today.

"The canons of judicial conduct prohibit me from making any statements," she said in a brief telephone
interview with the Globe.


more...


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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
9. That judge should resign! Romney is correct
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:28 PM by Evergreen Emerald
First the guy murdered his Mother. Next he threatens to kill several local government officials, including Romney. And still--he is released on his own personal recognizance, no bail at all! And, surprise, the mad man who admits that he wants to kill again--kills again.

Amazing. What was that judge thinking?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I agree and this judge got 'wide praise' when she was appointed and
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:35 PM by Breeze54
she was given an award to boot. She should resign post haste! :grr:

We had another judge here in MA that put a pedophile on probation

and she's gone now also.... right to TV!!

Former Massachusetts Judge to Host TV Show

The Boston Globe reports today that former Superior Court Judge Maria Lopez
will host her own syndicated show, ...

www.lawlib.state.ma.us/2005/11/former-massachusetts-judge-to-host-tv.html



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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. amazing! Apparently the public does not know her background!
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:31 PM by Evergreen Emerald
At least the country is safer with her handling TV "he damaged my car" cases rather than issues that affect the safety of the community.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Here's the background on her, the first Latino female judge in MA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Lopez

During her sentencing of an admitted child molester, Charles " Ebony" Horton, critics questioned Lopez' outburst that led to an investigation of her behavior on the bench. The judicial review found Lopez lied under oath and showed bias against prosecutors. This led Judge Maria Lopez to resign from her position. Lopez's letter addressed the chief justices of the courts (MA Commission on Judicial Conduct).

I sincerely apologize for my loss of temper in court. Accepting the recommendation of the hearing officer that I be suspended for six months and publicly endorse his findings would no doubt be the easiest and most expeditious way to maintain my judicial position. However, I cannot dishonor my 14 years on the bench, my principles, or the Massachusetts Judiciary by admitting to that which I did not do, Lopez wrote (Judge Lopez resigns).

But she did get very nasty to whomebver she was yelling at in the court room that day.

The people were outraged by her decision.

Charles "Ebony" Horton Case

Charles "Ebony" Horton was tried for and pleaded guilty to kidnapping, assault with intent to rape a child under 16, indecent assault and battery on a child under 14, assault and battery, and assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon. Horton, while dressed as a woman, used a ruse to lead an 11-year old boy to an abandoned warehouse where he forced to the boy to simulate sex acts after holding a screwdriver to the child's neck (Boston Channel).

During the sentencing phase of the trial, Suffolk County District Attorney David Deakin who had asked Lopez to give Horton an eight to ten year jail sentence, tried to protest her decision to sentence Horton to house arrest and five years' of probation.

more...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Different judge.
This judge is Kathe Tuttman.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. We know that.
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laser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
20. US Attorney refuses to prosecute $300 million in fraud & perjury connected to Romney
Romney should ask for the judge, US Attorney and US Trustee's that refuse to prosecute Bain's perjury and fraud schemes for prosecution or impeachment.

We have proven so many felony act violations in KB Toys, Stage Stores and eToys cases the lawyers already confessed to submitting multiple and intentionally false affidavits. Paying over $750,000 in disgorgement sanctions to the Delaware Bankruptcy Court. (please see www.wjfa.net/bk/etoys.html for the WSJ story)

Romney refuses to disclose his net worth, hiding behind a claim that it is all in his private trust and his trust manager refuses to discuss it because it is "private".

It is a travesty that anyone running for President can start out this way.

We reported the pejury, fraud and racketeering. The 100 felony violations are all documented by Court docket records. There is no hyperbole or conjecture. Yet the US Trustee has given immunity to the persons, the attorneys for Bain, who committed Perjury to accomplish the fraud.

The US Attorney has refused to prosecute the crimes and now we discover he is being promoted to the post of a Federal Judge.

Then we discover that he was a Partner at the law firm of Morris Nichols, one of the law firms that committed Perjury.

It seems it is a good career move to refuse to prosecute her partner, associates and former clients.

How long are we going to allow this to continue?

<http://fraud-corruption-romney.townhall.com/Default.aspx>
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. No one here is denying Romney is a plastic rethug
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 01:02 PM by Breeze54
but this OP is about a different matter.

Edited to add:

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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laser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. Apathy to hypocrisy is never a different matter.
The point is Mitt Romney is brandishing how much he is against a judge's erroneous rulings.

That is, except when the erroneous rulings benefit Mitt Romney.

The apathy of the public at large, to how much full of B S he is and how much power/influence he already has, prior to being elected, is always on point.

He has made his fortunes in Bain, largely through fraud acts in the bankruptcy realm.

How much influence do you think one has with $250 million and political connections?

Now, I tell you, Bain, Sankaty (which Romney owns 100% and is a foriegn held entity in Bermuda)
is really worth $4 billion NET.

It is all their in public records, if you care to LOOK!

Four key resignations happened at the Justice Dept, including Asst US Trustee Frank Perch, Director of the Dept of Justice US Trustee's EOUST office in Washington DC (Lawrence Friedman) and Debra Yang of Pres Bush Corp Fraud Task Force.

The gal that Lawrence Friedman removed from the Region 3 Trustee's office, Roberta DeAngelis, was promoted to Acting General Counsel in Washington DC after Friedman resigned.

DeAngelis is in charge of what investigations get referred to the US Attorney's office.

(the DOJ website did a press release on DeAngelis replacement http://www.usdoj.gov/ust/eo/public_affairs/press/docs/stapleton_release2_12-04.htm

yet, speciously, there is no press release of DeAngelis becoming the Acting General Counsel
http://www.usdoj.gov/ust/eo/public_affairs/press/index.htm )

And the US Attorney, Colm F Connolly, was a partner at MNAT, the firm that has admitted Perjury.

Now Colm F Connolly is being nominated for a federal Judge position.

While Roberta DeAngelis, in an act of primatur, is siding with the Felony parties in the 3rd Circuit appeal 07-2360.

Instead of being so ready to be apathetic, you should be ALARMED!
While running screaming to your nearest key political connection to get the "bad guy".
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Excuse me??
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 01:13 PM by Breeze54
You are new here so don't you dare accuse me of being apathetic! :grr:

You do not know me at all!

You, apparently, have not read the OP in it's entirety. Try reading the WHOLE thread!

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laser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. It is both dismissive and apathetic to say not here
You are being rude, dismissive and apathetic

The thread is about Romney's abuse of discretion and endeavor for personal gains
on a Judge issue he is or was connected to.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. No, that is not what the OP is about.
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 01:48 PM by Breeze54
The OP is about a murdered couple's parents calling out Romney for appointing a judge in MA
who then released a known killer and now he has killed again. I agree with Romney on this one
and seeing as how the DEMS in MA also approved this judge and none of them have a crystal ball,
it's ludicrous to accuse Romney for what the judge did, imho. It's obvious that you didn't read it.
Romney released a statement because of the accusation made towards him.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

"Stay on topic. Do not jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent"


That's called hijacking a thread and that's what you did and that's rude. Just because both topics

relate to Romney and have his name mentioned; doesn't make the topics themselves related.




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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
32. Hi, laser!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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laser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Thank you, this is a water gate type story
And no one seems to give a dang.

Even the SEC Bankruptcy Fraud Division in Atlanta (yes there is one)
Gordon Robinson and Susan Sherrills was sending an Official Intergovernmental
letter for recommendation of an Offical Investigation.

Mark Kenney, a Justice Dept Attorney for Region 3 told them not to send the letter.

Then they both resigned.

Because Romney is too smart to be caught with the gun in his hand,
everyone does not care.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. It belongs in it's own OP
not here. maybe it would get some attention then.

Try posting it in the MA forum instead.
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laser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Brand new have no idea How to do so
There is no Democratic v Republican issues here?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Click this link...
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 01:38 PM by Breeze54
To get to the MA forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=158

There aren't many, if any, known rethugs here.

This is the 'Democratic Underground'. ;)

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
30. If it was in Massachusetts, he wasn't paying attention
While governor, he spent more time preparing to run fopr president than he did with the mundane matter of actually governing.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. He was a 'drive by Gov', that's for sure!
Glad he's gone but sad he's trying to head to the WH! :puke:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:00 PM
Response to Original message
46. Willy Horton Willy Horton Willy Horton; nevermind the country's on fire
He's just using what works. Americans are easily distracted. We sit in front of the TV News tube like gape-mouthed goldfish.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. I disagree.
He had to make a statement, imho.
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