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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:45 PM
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Did McClellan Accuse Bush of Lying to Federal Prosecutors?-BY Scott Horton
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 03:51 PM by kpete
Did McClellan Accuse Bush of Lying to Federal Prosecutors?
And if he did, his decision to pardon Scooter Libby has to be seen in an entirely different light. Bush was using the pardon power to protect himself by sweeping the entire affair under the carpet.
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED November 24, 2007

............ there is every reason to scrutinize the McClellan statements very carefully, because they stack up very well against the information which emerged from Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s examination.

In fact, Fitzgerald interviewed President Bush on June 24, 2004, close to a year after Robert Novak betrayed the identity of Valerie Plame, the end result of a lengthy White House plot that involved Rove, Libby, Cheney. . . and President Bush. And on the date of that meeting, Scott McClellan appeared before the White House press corps and told them of the meeting without revealing any of its content. The substance of Bush’s statement to Fitzgerald was revealed only in July 2006 by Murray Waas:

President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed (Cheney) to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president’s interview.

Bush also told federal prosecutors … that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort, to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said.

But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed (Libby) to covertly leak the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.

Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.


The McClellan quote suggests very strongly that the final statement, which would have been the question that Fitzgerald put to Bush, was false. If Bush’s statement was a conscious effort to mislead a federal prosecutor on questions focal to his inquiry, this is a very big deal. Pensito Review puts the matter this way:

In fact, lying to the feds is a criminal act, even when the person being interviewed is not under oath.

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The criminality of lying to investigators could come into play now if McClellan’s version of what Bush’s role in the apparent conspiracy differs from what Bush told U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald during an Oval Office “interview” — not under oath — on the morning of June 24, 2004, 11 months after Novak betrayed Agent Wilson’s identity.



http://harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001739
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:47 PM
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1. It's not a matter of IF he lied......It's a matter of IF we can prove it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:14 PM
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26. Funny how the rule of law has been so steadfastly preserved in that one sense.
Everywhere in our government, we see a casual disregard for the law. But on this one point-- removing the criminals-- there the law must be followed so very closely, and the burden of proof is so very high.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:49 PM
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2. Sorry, but there doesn't appear to be a crime here
The article is rank speculation which ignores known facts. There is no reason to believe * lied to prosecutors.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:01 PM
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6. how do you figure?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:50 PM
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13. We don't know what * told investigators, but if was the truth, there's no
crime. It's how Rove escaped prosecution ... after trying repeated denials, he 'fessed up so he wasn't charged.

The article speculates otherwise, which isn't warranted under the circumstances. It's satisfying conjecture, but career civil servants would have leaked anything that damaging.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:52 PM
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23. You're a consistent Republican apologist.
Over the past nearly ten years of observing your posts from TableTalk to TAP to DU, I know that much is true.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:09 PM
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7. Looks like Fredda is at it again!
Full of baloney as ever.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:35 PM
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15. Where's Nadinbrzezinski when we need her?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:52 PM
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24. Completely.
I'm shocked! Shocked!
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 05:13 PM
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20. There is no reason to believe he told the truth
given his history.
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brazos121200 Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:39 PM
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3. Bush didn't "pardon" Scooter Libby, he commuted his sentence.
There's a difference.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:57 PM
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4. Busholini intsructed Cheney to debunk Joe Wilson's findings.
There is no way to prove that he green lighted the exposure of V. Plame & Brewster Jennings unless
Documents surface that prove otherwise. It also cannot be proven that he knew who leaked the info. after Novak exposed V. Plame & Brewster Jennings. I suspect that Cheney was behind the action & kept Busholini out of the loop & shredded every document pertaining to the action & trashed any hard drives that contained any e-mails pertaining to this.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:58 PM
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5. Pardon is about 10 months away.
count on it. :evilfrown:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:37 PM
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16. Either intervention serves the same purpose:
To short-circuit any impulse on Libby's part to squeal.
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MsRedacted Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:13 PM
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8. Hello Greatest Page. This a really big deal. Thanks again Kpete
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:15 PM
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9. Here's what I think happened
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 05:17 PM by blogslut
After reading Woodward's last book on Bush, it became perfectly clear that Dubya is a hands-off executive. In other words, he may be "the decider" but all he really "decides" is to let others do all the work while he gets to ride his bike and fly around in his awesome jet. My guess is he did indeed tell Cheney to "handle it" and then left it all in Dick's hands.

The crime is that this sham of a president left the task to a man with no moral center and no concern for the Constitution, the rule of law or well, anyone. Bush chose Cheney and is ultimately responsible for the vice president's actions. Just the same, I don't know if mismanagement and neglect on the presidential level is an actual, prosecutable crime.

Of course, the fun comes when George is forced to play his last card: "Dick did it."
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:22 PM
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10. Someone give Horton a Pulitzer already. What a maniac for truth and justice!
Scott Horton — Writer of 986 Blog Posts

http://harpers.org/subjects/ScottHorton/WriterOf/BlogEntry
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:47 PM
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22. I heartily agree about Horton
He is what the investigative reporter once strived to be. When I see his byline, I sit up and pay close attention. He digs deep, and is thorough. Yup, what a "maniac for truth and justice"! Can readers recommend writers for the Pulitzer?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:31 PM
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11. H2O Man and the other resident experts told us this
ages ago.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:38 PM
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12. Every criminal associated with
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 05:39 PM by The Wizard
the Bush cartel gets a free pas as long as the Decider has pardon power. Nothing happens until he leaves office. Bush my try a blanket preemptive pardon for everyone he may believe committed a crime in protecting the cartel's treason during his reign.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:50 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:45 PM
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17. ditto
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:54 AM
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18. TREASON. Call it what it is folks.
And the penalty for treason in a time of war?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:25 AM
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19. Larry Johnson does = "George Bush, Traitor and Liar in Chief" = "treason"
George Bush, Traitor and Liar in Chief
By Larry Johnson - http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/nov/21/george_bush_traitor_and_liar_in_chief


Former Presidential spokesliar, oops, I mean spokesman, Scott McClellan, reminded us this week that the fish rots from the head. McClellan drops the truth bombshell that implicates George Bush and Dick Cheney in the sordid outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.

........

We knew about Rove and Libby. But now we can add the names of George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Andy Card to the list of people who helped create the lie, i.e., that no one at the White House was involved in leaking the name of Valerie. We no longer have to wonder if any damage was done. We have the revelations in Valerie’s book, Fair Game, describing in detail her job as the operations chief for the Iraq Task Force and her mission of tracking down and eliminating weapons of mass destruction.

If outing a CIA intelligence officer collecting intelligence on our enemy during a time of war is not treason, then what is? ..............
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:25 PM
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21. lying about exposing intelligence assets is A-OK with Bushbots, lying about sex - impeachable
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:59 PM
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25. The Decider, I bet, directed Cheney after-the-fact.
My bet is Cheney and his group of gangsters - who receive all information, sometimes even before the Bush* people (who are/have been intimidated by Cheney & Addignton)- brought Bush* into this after-the-fact because he (Cheney) did not have the authority to do certain things on his own. He needed (and thus implicated) the very ineffective & unsophisticated Boy Bush*, to not only protect his own ass, but knowingly screwing Bush*.
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