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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:49 AM
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Looking for a practical definition of a "Homegrown Terrorist"
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 03:51 AM by Angela Shelley
What does a citizen actually do to earn the title of "homegrown terrorist"?

Is it similar to "the enemy within", "alter ego"?
Is it the neighbor who mows his lawn when I´m having breakfast on the patio?
Is it the children who have forced their parents into therapy?
Is it the individual who stands up for himself against a crowd?

Can an individual use the term on a business card?

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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:00 AM
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1. Well, according to this -
The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force in Phoenix, Ariz., distributed a brochure (Images: 1, 2) to local law enforcement agencies a few years ago which defines terrorism as individuals or groups within the U.S. who engage in criminal activity to promote political or social changes. This is correct, as far as it goes, but the brochure then gives a listing of “suspicious” activities, telling law enforcement officers: “If you encounter any of the following, call the Joint Terrorism Task Force.”

Some of the things for which you should be reported as a suspected terrorist include the usual things, like weapons of mass destruction, and hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazis, but also includes people who “Make numerous references to US Constitution,” “Claim driving is a right, not a privilege” and “Attempt to ‘police the police.’”

In addition, “People whose political motivation is usually Marxist/Leninist philosophy,” “‘defenders’ of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN,” computer hackers, and “Lone Individuals” should also be reported.

more at: http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/05/13/you-are-the-homegrown-terrorist-threat/

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:20 AM
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2. Making numerous references to the US Constitution?
What kind of references is the question. Because if it was the disrespectful kind, they woulda hauled Bush** off long ago.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:56 AM
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18. Yes. "Real" Americans are ignorant about it, don't care, and are proud. The pesky other few...
Are apparently deemed "terrorists" because shopping malls, light beer, American Idol and sports don't sufficiently pacify them into acquiescence.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:06 AM
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4. Thanks for the link
it´s easier to see where this is going.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:21 AM
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3. Here you go!
The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.


None of your examples seem to fit this pretty specific definition. Please dial down the Chicken Little act.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:04 AM
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8. Too bad you never took a college history course
If you had, you might know how similar concepts were used to target Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Abbie Hoffman and other peaceful activists in the 60s for wiretapping, harassment and worse.

Oh well, no point arguing with someone who has no grasp of history.






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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:08 AM
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5. Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph. Ted Kaczynski. American-born patriots like that.
We actually grow our own, more often than not.

Hekate

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:53 AM
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10. Of those three, I don't think McVeigh or Ted K count
he was attempting to punish the system and commemorate Waco rather than change policy through the use of terror, right? The Unabomber likewise didn't represent a political faction with coherent aspirations but was merely sending reasonably random protest bombs.

Eric Rudolph on the other hand really was working at least alongside a recognizable political force and was using terror to try to manipulate policy.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:30 AM
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15. Those are good examples.
Certainly, there are many others. Those who are the Southern Poverty Law Center's mailing list know about the numerous groups that fit the descrption, as well.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:55 AM
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6. anyone who publicly disagrees with the sitting administration...this will continue into the next
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:57 AM
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7. So the harvest will be plentiful this year?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:30 AM
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9. Anyone who *effectively* challenges the official story of 9/11...
or so some quarters would have it...
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:53 AM
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11. No, that just makes someone dumb (nt)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:18 AM
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12. Here's a well-known OCT DUer who wants Richard Gage punished...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=71635&mesg_id=71639

It seems that the slides in the Simon Wiesenthal Center presentation do indeed reflect a desire in some quarters to squelch Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:25 AM
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13. AE911Truth people should be imprisoned (nt)
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:26 AM
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14. AE911Truth is a gang of liars.
Their lies, according to the SWC, are being used by people in the Middle East to radicalize terrorists. If they were saying the truth, that would be one thing.

But they are. They fabricate evidence, they misrepresent and distort 9/11, and they do it to literally get a free lunch.

They rightfully deserve a just punishment.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:51 AM
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16. The real question is:
Why would your govt go to such great lengths and unconstitutional measures/legislation over a form of criminal activity that would only be applicable to a fractional percentage {at best} of the current 300,000,000 population? Afterall, other countries experience far more problems with terrorism than does the U.S. without the supposed need to abolish law, civil rights, common sense, dissident voices, etc. Phony democracy. Phony "war."
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:53 AM
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17. The white guys who like to blow up abortion clinics.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 08:10 AM
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19. Paul Revere, John Brown...
one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Hold onto your rights.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:33 PM
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20. KKK
:kick:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:33 PM
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21. bush (nt)
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usaftmo Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 09:08 AM
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22. I'd consider that to be someone
who enjoys visiting freeperland. They are terrorists to different agrees. Fanatical/hostile seeking to destroy choices in life, leaving the only alternative as their distorted view.
:eyes:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 09:12 AM
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23. Someone who finds your plants and rips 'em all up?
:hi:

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 09:23 AM
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24. SIMPLE: Member of any Opposition Party usually works for authoritatian juntas.
Maybe we need a legal definition of terrorist.

According to Reagan, that's the Sandinista invasion force approaching the Texas border. :rofl:

The definition changes as political opposition shifts!
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