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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:33 AM
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“Gold is for optimists. I’m diversifying into canned goods.”
Stand by for “generalised systemic financial meltdown”

“Gold is for optimists. I’m diversifying into canned goods.”

So said one reader on Felix Salmon’s Market Movers blog, in response to a post on crisis blogging.

The trouble with being the leading harbinger of doom is that, rather like crack, you’re going to need to keep pushing the limits to keep achieving the same highs. So Salmon notes that the über-bears, no longer satisfied with dire predictions of a US recession, have now moved onto heralding a full-blown financial crisis. Only an all-out, systemic meltdown will do. The bear in question, Nouriel Roubini, has long been positioned firmly on the gloomy side of the outlook scale - but the past week’s batch of predictions has been ominous even by his own dark standards. In fact, they’re nigh on apolcalyptic.

After all, back in March, Roubini was clear - the US landing would be hard, or at best, a growth recession.



So for all the bears out there, crack pipes to the ready, here is your latest hit:
I now see the risk of a severe and worsening liquidity and credit crunch leading to a generalized meltdown of the financial system of a severity and magnitude like we have never observed before. In this extreme scenario whose likelihood is increasing we could see a generalized run on some banks; and runs on a couple of weaker (non-bank) broker dealers that may go bankrupt with severe and systemic ripple effects on a mass of highly leveraged derivative instruments that will lead to a seizure of the derivatives markets (think of LTCM to the power of three); a collapse of the ABCP market and a disorderly collapse of the SIVs and conduits; massive losses on money market funds with a run on both those sponsored by banks and those not sponsored by banks (with the latter at even more severe risk as the recent effective bailout of the formers’ losses by theirs sponsoring banks is not available to those not being backed by banks); ever growing defaults and losses ($500 billion plus) in subprime, near prime and prime mortgages with severe known-on effect on the RMBS and CDOs market; massive losses in consumer credit (auto loans, credit cards); severe problems and losses in commercial real estate and related CMBS; the drying up of liquidity and credit in a variety of asset backed securities putting the entire model of securitization at risk; runs on hedge funds and other financial institutions that do not have access to the Fed’s lender of last resort support; a sharp increase in corporate defaults and credit spreads; and a massive process of re-intermediation into the banking system of activities that were until now altogether securitized.

Or in other words, a “generalized systemic financial meltdown.”

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2007/11/21/9066/stand-by-for-generalised-systemic-financial-meltdown/
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notanotherday Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:38 AM
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1. but.. but... the consumers are buying and spending money like crazy this holiday!

According to this mornings news, its 1995 and the economy is booming!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 01:01 PM
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11. Spending is a misleading word, people are buying items on debt
owed at a later time to a huge corporation that loves to give out money (series they love it).
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:41 AM
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2. exactly... I've diversified into raw land and dry goods and solar
and anything else one needs for autonomy.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:41 AM
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3. They push extremism at both ends because that is how they are making their money.

If the trend is up they invest accordingly and push that trend with all their might so that their investments overtop themselves; when the trend is down they do the reverse until their investments bottom through the floor. and thus make unjustified profits at both ends.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:55 AM
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4. this was all planed in advance.. first the eradication of 'bankruptcy' then the loans..then the fall
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 10:56 AM by sam sarrha
who profits... when we find out we need to take care of it quickly..
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:56 AM
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5. I wish I had a couple of thousand dollars to play with now
I'd be buying cases and cases of canned goods and toiletries, not to mention a fuckload of bullets.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:58 AM
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6. Think soap young man. Bar soap, laundry detergent, dishwashing liquid. Worth its weight in gold
when the sh*t hits the fan. Not that anyone would want to trade it for gold if that happened.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:59 PM
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10. or relearn the lost art of soap making...
which is probably a better long term solution. :-)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:12 AM
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7. Always wondered what good gold would be when you were starving
Soil, water, seed, canned and dried goods. Now that counts for something.

Ammo not a bad thing to have handy either.

Rocks are not real nutritious.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:35 AM
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8. yeah ----
"Soil, water, seed, canned and dried goods. Now that counts for something."

I always wondered what good THOSE would be with EVERYONE ELSE starving. Meaning you wont have them for long....
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:50 AM
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9. Did you see the part about ammo? LOL
Also, with seed and knowledge, you can help others around you.

Been doing that share & teach thing for some time now myself. It is catching on.

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