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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:50 PM
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120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week
By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted November 26, 2007.

The military refuses to come clean, insisting the high rates are due to "personal problems," not experience in combat.

Earlier this year, using the clout that only major broadcast networks seem capable of mustering, CBS News contacted the governments of all 50 states requesting their official records of death by suicide going back 12 years. They heard back from 45 of the 50. From the mountains of gathered information, they sifted out the suicides of those Americans who had served in the armed forces. What they discovered is that in 2005 alone -- and remember, this is just in 45 states -- there were at least 6,256 veteran suicides, 120 every week for a year and an average of 17 every day.

As the widow of a Vietnam vet who killed himself after coming home, and as the author of a book for which I interviewed dozens of other women who had also lost husbands (or sons or fathers) to PTSD and suicide in the aftermath of the war in Vietnam, I am deeply grateful to CBS for undertaking this long overdue investigation. I am also heartbroken that the numbers are so astonishingly high and tentatively optimistic that perhaps now that there are hard numbers to attest to the magnitude of the problem, it will finally be taken seriously. I say tentatively because this is an administration that melts hard numbers on their tongues like communion wafers.

Since these new wars began, and in spite of a continuous flood of alarming reports, the Department of Defense has managed to keep what has clearly become an epidemic of death beneath the radar of public awareness by systematically concealing statistics about soldier suicides. They have done everything from burying them on official casualty lists in a category they call "accidental noncombat deaths" to outright lying to the parents of dead soldiers. And the Department of Veterans Affairs has rubber-stamped their disinformation, continuing to insist that their studies indicate that soldiers are killing themselves, not because of their combat experiences, but because they have "personal problems."

Active-duty soldiers, however, are only part of the story. One of the well-known characteristics of post-traumatic stress injuries is that the onset of symptoms is often delayed, sometimes for decades. Veterans of World War II, Korea and Vietnam are still taking their own lives because new PTSD symptoms have been triggered, or old ones retriggered, by stories and images from these new wars. Their deaths, like the deaths of more recent veterans, are written up in hometown newspapers; they are locally mourned, but officially ignored. The VA doesn't track or count them. It never has. Both the VA and the Pentagon deny that the problem exists and sanctimoniously point to a lack of evidence they have refused to gather.

They have managed this smoke and mirrors trick for decades in large part because suicide makes people so uncomfortable. It has often been called "that most secret death" because no one wants to talk about it. Over time, in different parts of the world, attitudes have fluctuated between the belief that the act is a sin, a right, a crime, a romantic gesture, an act of consummate bravery or a symptom of mental illness. It has never, however, been an emotionally neutral issue. In the United States, the rationalism of our legal system has acknowledged for 300 years that the act is almost always symptomatic of a mental illness. For those same 300 years, organized religions have stubbornly maintained that it's a sin. In fact, the very worst sin. The one that is never forgiven because it's too late to say you're sorry.

Read entire article @ Alternet link: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/68713/

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:08 PM
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1. That number seems high unless we take in all the old ones.
I guess that old people kill them self at a higher level and those old would have been in the service in large numbers. My guess it would be an age thing not just a war thing. I maybe off on the old but I think I read once that aged people do that more than the young. Sad any how.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:09 PM
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2. How many of the veterans are combat veterans?
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 04:10 PM by dmesg
I recall a broo-ha-ha when somebody posted this from (I think) Counterpunch, and made it sound like 120 Iraq War combat veterans per week killed themselves, rather than 120 veterans in general. The 120 a week is all veterans, of any time period, whether they were in combat or not (most veterans have not been in combat).

Also, by those numbers there aren't a "large" number of suicides. There are approximately 25 million veterans in the US. 120 suicides per week is 6240 per year, meaning a 0.02% annual suicide rate, which I think is slightly lower than the national average.

Just sayin'...
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:19 PM
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3. 60 civilians commit suicide each week, 120 vets.
Vets as part of the population at large are 11%, as part of the homeless are 26%.

Vets with PTSD from Nam were 10%. of Iraq Part Deux 30%.

We asen't even talking about Depleted Uranium yet.

Yeah, it's a real number and a big deal.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:25 PM
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4. 500 civilians commit suicide each week
http://www.suicidology.org/associations/1045/files/2004datapgv1.pdf

In the US population as a whole, an average of 89 people per day kill themselves. 624 per week, of which 120 are veterans, leaving 500+ civilians per week committing suicide.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:29 PM
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5. Hmmmm, I'll have to verify my numbers. nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:35 PM
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6. That's still a higher suicide rate for vets...
Something like 0.02% of veterans vs 0.018% of the whole population; I'm not sure how that shakes out when you factor in age, race, income, etc.

I only was cautious because this particular article has caused some trouble here before...
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:36 PM
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7. Okay, only preliminary and you were right in that my numbers were
way off. From http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/cbsnews_investigates/main3496471.shtml

Gross numbers wrong, but ratio right. It's not pretty no matter how ya' look at it.

"Dr. Steve Rathbun is the acting head of the Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department at the University of Georgia. CBS News asked him to run a detailed analysis of the raw numbers that we obtained from state authorities for 2004 and 2005.

It found that veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets. (Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000, compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)

One age group stood out. Veterans aged 20 through 24, those who have served during the war on terror. They had the highest suicide rate among all veterans, estimated between two and four times higher than civilians the same age. (The suicide rate for non-veterans is 8.3 per 100,000, while the rate for veterans was found to be between 22.9 and 31.9 per 100,000.)"
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:49 PM
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8. With all of the issues that have come out about veterans, healthcare,
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 04:50 PM by EV_Ares
homelessness, psychological problems and you are concerned about #s, age, someone said most veterans never go into combat (would like a little background on that, some documentation, link). Man, what these veterans have done for you and me & the attitude on this site sucks.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:59 PM
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9. Hey, EV, take a breath! For my part I'm a Vietnam era vet -- didn't
serve in country, all the action I saw was in Washington DC!

Yeah, the vast majority of soldiers serve in support roles. Not as dramatic as before Rumsfeld out-sourced a lot of support rolls, but still combat is sustained by a smaller number than support.

Valid questions to ask because somebody like All-the-slots-were-taken-by-hispanics-and-blacks Barton (R TX)will disregard your position if you're wildly off the mark.

We have to be right in our righteous indignation!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:19 PM
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10. Taking a breath for now. ABC.com has quite a story you might be
interested in about returning Iraq veterans and all the psychological problems along with the other problems. The first part of the series called:

High at the Mountain Post
Part One of the Series: 'Coming Home: Soldiers and Drugs'

The link for you: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3898810&page=1
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:49 PM
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12. Thanks for the link. Vets are a real hot issue for me, one of the few that
can make me lose my composure. I was not a hero but I served with heroes.

Being one of a very few who carried live ammunition while wearing the uniform in Washington DC for both the May Day protest and the Vietnam Moratorium I have a singular respect for the situations that fate puts us all in.

Still, we must be correct when we list numbers and stats. Otherwise the opposition has permission to simply dismiss our outrage.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 06:02 PM
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13. Here's to you and thanks for your service and support of veterans, Just
do not see us taking care of them the way they should be taken care of. I think things like the GI Bill should be brought back, the medical care issue needs to be taken care of. Possibly some half-way type homes should be developed for those with no homes and need some care, training, education, etc. That I know is in a nut shell but you get my point.

Thanks again lib.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:48 PM
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11. More of a firearms issue, really.
There was a similar study released earlier this year that found military veterans to be twice as likely to successfully kill themselves than non-veterans. The difference, though, lies in the methods used.

http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN11482975

Veterans are far more likely than non-veterans to own firearms, and as a result are 58% more likely to use a firearm in their suicide attempt. Suicide is 5 times as common in households with firearms, and a firearms related suicide is nearly always successful. Generally speaking, less than 12% (in some groups, less than 2%) of all suicide attempts are successful in killing the person. When guns are involved that number jumps to an over 90% success rate.

If you actually look at all of the numbers, veterans really aren't all that much more likely to attempt suicide, they're just more likely to use a gun and be successful at it.
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