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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 09:21 PM
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New probe request in Ohio over 2004 election. Bush won fair and square?
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 09:41 PM by wisteria
Apparently this WV paper seems to think it is a waste of time to pursue what happened in Ohio 2004-disenfranchisment,fraud and all. They also state that investigations were carried out throughly and nothing out of the ordinary was found.
I say they are wrong and I wonder why they are trying too convince people to not continue to investigate 04.


http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/502746.html">link here
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 09:23 PM
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1. Oh, were the votes "counted, and recounted and recounted?" Did James Baker say so?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 09:25 PM
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2. So, so wrong.
Rigged recounts, no in-depth investigation, etc., etc.

But not everyone cares about the rule of law, or if elections are stolen, as long as things go their way.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 09:35 PM
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3. I was witness to definite "irregularities" in
Sandusky county, and that wasn't one of the worst ones!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:27 AM
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4. Send them this link
The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

And remind them of

From the Conyers Report: "... we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior...."

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

304.233.0100 (local) | 800.852.5475 (toll-free)
(The 800 number is only active for those with 740 or 304 area codes)
Perry Nardo — pnardo@theintelligencer.net
Executive Editor: Mike Myer — myer@news-register.net
Joselyn King (Political Reporter) — king@theintelligencer.net
Gabe Wells (Investigative/Police Reporter) — wells@theintelligencer.net
Fred Connors (Investigative Reporter) — connors@theintelligencer.net
And remember, ballots have fingerprints on them :rofl:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:41 AM
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5. Editorial: Vote fraud wild goose chase doesn't need Ohio attorney general's participation
I think I found the conspiracy. The editorials are using the same language. :rofl:

WHAT IS THIS? "two exhaustive studies by nonparitsan groups found a grand total of four cases of vote fraud"

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Editorial: Vote fraud wild goose chase doesn't need Ohio attorney general's participation
Nov 24, 2007 - http://www.cleveland.com/editorials/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1195896755144320.xml&coll=2

Despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, a small group of zealots clings to the belief that somehow the 2004 presidential election was stolen - in Ohio.

Last week, a Columbus attorney asked Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann to launch a criminal investigation into alleged voter fraud. Dann should give the request the consideration it's due - no more than one second - and decline.

Yes, Secretary of State Ken Blackwell did a lousy job of overseeing the 2004 election. And he invited criticism by serving as a chairman of Bush's re-election campaign. But Bush defeated John Kerry so soundly in Ohio (118,000 votes) that even the Democratic National Committee has left no doubt that it believes Bush carried the state. In fact, at least two exhaustive studies by nonparitsan groups found a grand total of four cases of vote fraud in the election.

Political activists have every right to waste their time searching for something that doesn't exist. Dann doesn't. Which is why we're fairly confident he'll tell these folks to take their conspiracy theories elsewhere.

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Send your comment to http://www.cleveland.com/contactus/
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:11 AM
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6. That paper appears to have a con editor
The link is to an editorial, not a story with independent reporting by the paper.

Its worth on this subject can probably be compared to another editorial which came out on the same day: "Defeatism Only Aids Our Enemies"

"Defeatism Only Aids Our Enemies
November 26, 2007

One can only ruefully marvel at the evident cupidity of liberals who insist, against a backdrop of significant positive change in conditions in Iraq, that the battle is lost and therefore insist upon a troop withdrawal deadline."

http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/502747.html?nav=511


An editorial page which slurps down the Bush spin on Iraq -- not even pausing to wonder if the good news is actually true, despite prior such claims of success -- without noting that the trumpeted success is still minor compared to the fuck-ups in handling the occupation over the past four years(much less starting it), is an editorial page that doesn't just drink the koolaid, it snorts the powder directly.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 12:02 PM
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7. Someone is sending talking points out to these editors, it seems
When they use the same argument simultaneously in several papers, someone somewhere is behind the scene, and obviously worried by this development.

It's the fingerprints, stupid! That's the forensic problem that has the alarm bells ringing. The ballots are in the wrong precinct pile, switching votes from Kerry to Bush, and the fingerprints of the voter are the evidence they were miscounted.

Dann and Brunner knew all about this some time ago, and investigations started early this year.
If someone think a few editorials will have some sway on the Ohio AG, there not thinking.
This is a ploy, the pre-spin cycle, to counter the forthcoming bad news.
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