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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:57 PM
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Brad Blog: Is Cheney's Heart Ailment Real - Or Could It Be a Pretext for His Resignation?
Is Cheney's Heart Ailment Real - Or Could It Be a Pretext for His Resignation?

Guest blogged by Jon Ponder, Pensito Review
11/26/2007


.....

Under normal circumstances, it wouldn't seem odd that a vice president's health problem might be discovered "incidentally" --- or that his spokeswoman is, well, speaking about it. But this is Dick Cheney. And it brings us to a question: Is this story real, or could it be a fabrication meant to set the stage for Cheney's resignation?

.....

Both Cheney and Bush are undoubtedly desperate to keep the presidency in the hands of their allies. There probably aren't enough shredders in the world to destroy all the evidence of criminal acts they've perpetrated against this great nation. Whatever they have done will become immediately known to the next president, who, if he or she is a Democrat, could decide to seek justice.
The next president will also have the option of opening up the presidential records of the George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan administrations --- records that were supposed to be unsealed in 2004 but that George W. Bush embargoed indefinitely. (There was wide speculation that these records show that Bush Sr. was not "out of the loop" on Oliver North's illegal sales of weapons to Iranians, as he claimed at the time.)

Finally, if it were to happen that Bush and Cheney were impeached together --- say for lying to prosecutors about their roles in covering up their conspiracy to reveal the secret identity of CIA agent Valerie Wilson --- the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, would become president. If Cheney retires and is replaced now, the presidency will stay in the hands of the GOP until January 2009, at least. ..... At some point the normal rules of gravity in party politics have to kick in. For starters, the GOP powers-that-be must by now be near the limit of their tolerance for the damage being done to their party by Dick Cheney and George Bush. If so, the time to demand a remedy is now. We are approaching the final moments of the eleventh hour before votes are cast in the 2008 primaries.

.....

This year, in the absence of a clear choice, Republicans find themselves facing a roster of unacceptable candidates: a philandering liberal, a Mormon, an aging warrior who's considered insufficiently doctrinaire, a lazy television actor, a former preacher with a weak record as governor of Arkansas and a Libertarian kook.

The strain of this disorderliness must be tormenting the GOP power base. And all of it could be wiped away in a simple fiat --- the replacement of Dick Cheney with a new vice president whom they could anoint right away to become Bush's successor.
So who might fit the bill --- who could be counted on to beat the Democrats next November and keep the Bush family secrets for at least four more years?

Only one name comes to mind. He is experienced and available, and tanned and rested --- and his name is Jeb.




Get prepared, people.

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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:00 PM
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1. couple of problems
1) after bobby kennedy was attorney general a law was passed about appointing family. nepotism and all
2) cheney has a long history of heart problems, including irregular heartbeats. I dont think he is going anyh\where
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:14 PM
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6. For the record, could you provide a link to the name of that law and who the sponsors were?
That's the type of detail to look at carefully.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:03 AM
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8. here is a link
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:51 PM
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13. "Emergency Exceptions... when necessary to meet urgent needs... in national emergency as defined..."
The information at your link is from the web site of

NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center
Office of Human Capital Management
Last Modified 11/08/99


I'm not familiar with this source for the question of specific legislation in existence regarding appointing/nominating relatives to positions within the Executive Branch of the US Government; however, I will excerpt some of the information from the link you provided.



Subpart B--Emergency Exceptions

§310.201 Coverage

This subpart applies to an office, agency, or other establishment in the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Federal Government, and in the government of the District of Columbia.

(5 U.S.C. 3110)

§310.202 Exceptions

When necessary to meet urgent needs resulting from an emergency posing an immediate threat to life or property, or a national emergency as defined in §230.402(a)(1) of this title, a public official may employ relatives to meet those needs without regard to the restrictions in section 3110 of title 5, United States Code, and this part. Appointments under these conditions are temporary not to exceed 1 month, but may be extended for a 2nd month if the emergency need still exists.


<60 FR 3058, Jan. 13, 1995>



For what it's worth, this is the type of language that fits the Bush Agenda like a glove.





There's a bad moon rising.



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:00 PM
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17. Bingo!
Bush has free rein to appoint whomever he wishes in the name of "terror". If he wants, he can do it.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:06 PM
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19. But whomever he appoints
Would still have to go through advise and consent.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:44 PM
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23. Not an impossible hurdle
Somehow, some way they plan to have him run.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:55 PM
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14. Here's another link for it
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 11:12 PM by tammywammy
http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/non-nara-statutes.html

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t05t08+208+0++()%20%20AN

It was passed after JFK appointed RFK as attorney general.

Since the vice president is considered part of the cabinet, Jeb cannot be VP while Bush is president.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:22 PM
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20. Thanks for that link. Here's the language:
http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/non-nara-statutes.html

ANTI-NEPOTISM ACT: 5 U.S.C. § 3110
Public Law Number: Pub. L. 90-206, Dec. 16, 1967; Pub. L. 95-454, Oct. 13, 1978
Legislative History: S. Rep. No. 801, H.R. Conf. Rep. No.1013, 1967 U.S. Code Cong. and Adm. News, p. 2258; S. Rep. No. 95-969, H.R. Conf. Rep. No. 95-1717, 1978 U.S. Code Cong. and Adm. News, p. 2723
Synopsis: A public official is prohibited from employing, appointing, promoting, advancing or advocating for appointment, employment promotion or advancement any relative for a civilian position in the agency in which the public official is serving.



This would seem to prohibit W. from advancing Jeb for confirmation as VP.



BUT, there is one very ugly scenario left.


Bush resigns or is impeached, convicted and removed. Cheney becomes president and pardons Bush. Cheney then names Jeb as his VP, thereby nullifying the nepotism problem. Cheney either succumbs in office or is incapacitated before November, 2008. Jeb assumes the presidency, pardons Cheney and runs as an incumbent.


I'm going to have nightmares tonight and every day this coup advances.


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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:24 PM
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21. Yes, the law prevents Jeb being George's VP
Just like Hillary couldn't be Bill's Chief of Staff and vice versa.

I think if Cheney resigns possibly Condi will advance, but I don't think she really wants to run for the presidency. Really, I'd put my money on McCain.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:00 PM
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2. I think it is quite real...
His persistent cough was a warning sign for congestive heart failure and some degree of pulmonary edema. The atrial fibrillation is a hallmark sign. A chronically weakening heart, despite the best surgical, medical and technological intervention money can buy. They may still pressure him out of the way, but I believe this is real.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:01 PM
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3. Cheney will have to be wheeled in a coffin before
he leaves and Jeb Bush would be his vice president
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:10 PM
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4. Duplicate
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 11:10 PM by Ravy
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:06 AM
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9. I agree, he is not going anywhere unless they wheel him out.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:10 PM
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5. I don't think Jeb would be confirmed. nt
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:24 AM
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11. If I were running the Senate he wouldn't get anyone confirmed.
They don't have to confirm anyone to replace a VP so why should they? We have a successor, the Speaker of the House. That's good enough for me.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:37 PM
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7. Whether Cheney succumbs, resigns or is impeached, I doubt he will finish his term.
These things are becoming very clear to me:


1. Cheney does NOT want to relinquish power to ANYONE.

2. He will not leave office willingly, because he does not trust anyone else to carry out his agenda.

3. BUT, his cardiovascular problems are catching up with him quickly.

4. I don't think he will complete his term, regardless of the reason.

5. Ms. Pelosi still hasn't set her table, and our Constitution will twist in the wind.

6. The end result is an open VP slot sometime in the next 11 months.

7. That person will run as a fresh incumbent, bypassing all the existing GOP candidates.



Don't take your eye off Jeb for a nanosecond.

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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:15 AM
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10. Agree, but
I don't agree that Jeb would get it.

Too Obvious. His nomination would break the dam and out would come all the other nefarious connection the BFEE has. Once that is out, the road then leads to jail for some very powerful people.

These folks are somewhat subtle. Look for an "outsider", who really ain't.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 09:05 AM
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12. I don't see it
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 09:07 AM by Prophet 451
Firstly, I don't think W is allowed to appoint Jeb as his VP. Someone posted the law upthread.

We've known that Cheney had heart problems for years. Given that Cheney is neck-deep in the admin's casual criminality, I doubt he'd willing leave office under any circumstances. He and W have put the legal tools in place to trigger a coup any time they want (which doesn't mean they will, just that the option is there). This also assumes that CheneyBush give a shit about the electoral chances of the GOP. I don't think they do. They're aware that they have the option of that coup and they were never for the party anyway. Their stances have alienated a good portion of the reasonable centre-right Republican supporters (some of whom have gone Dem, the majority have just quit entirely) and I think they know that the chances of Jeb (or anyone with the surname Bush) getting elected in 2008 are nil (discounting widespread Diebolding of the results).

I figure this is more likely to be either exactly what it appears to be or, if there is a subtext, an attempt to lay out a way for Cheney to keep his ass out of jail on health or "compassion" grounds (assuming they don't trigger that coup and/or it doesn't work).

On edit: As I said, I think Jeb is unlikely but that doesn't necessarily rule out the Bush family's other long-standing allies. What's Jim Baker up to these days?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:55 PM
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15. James Carville has predicted it
and he should know. Wonder which candidate he's really working for?

October 16, 2007
Carville: Jeb Bush will be GOP nominee

NEW YORK (CNN) — Democratic strategist and CNN analyst James Carville tossed out a provocative idea during a panel discussion on politics Tuesday.

At CNN's America Votes 2008 Breakfast, the chief architect of Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential run predicted that former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush will be the Republican nominee in 2008. Jeb is a younger brother of President Bush.

Carville bolstered his prediction, highlighting Jeb Bush's career: He was a successful governor of a large state, he enjoys the support of social conservatives, he speaks Spanish, and "he's somebody the party could rally around," Carville said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/16/carville-jeb-bush-will-be-gop-nominee/
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:02 PM
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18. No, that's different
Carvile said that Jeb would run and be the nominee, not that Cheney would resign and Jeb become VP.

Regardless, Jeb cannot be George's VP.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:45 PM
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24. Carville wasn't specific
about how it would happen. He's definitely giving some hints about the GOP's strategic plans.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:59 PM
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16. Americans want no part of Jeb or any other Bush for President.
As bad a national candidate as people think HRC might be, Jeb would be a million times worse for the Republicans simply by being GWB's brother.

The idea that Jeb could be "counted on" to beat any Democrat at this point is laughable.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:25 PM
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22. Cheney's heart is made of oatmeal, string and paper mache. He has every reason to have atrial
fibrillation. He's had terrible heart disease for many many years.

When your heart pumps for shit, the blood backs up and the chambers become distended, presdisposing them to fibrillate. This is one of the reasons Cheney had an implantable defibrillator placed years ago.

The idea that putting up Jeb would be a winning move for the Republicans is laughable.

This is not to say that they wouldn't try, as their crop of candidates is so shitty. But it shouldn't be something to fear.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:40 AM
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25. Or a sympathy pretext to defeat Kucinich' impeachment effort. nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:43 AM
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26. ...Or...maybe it's real as ...
a RESULT of Kucinich' impeachment directive.
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