We are not choosing between a Democrat and a Republican

We are all Democrats. However, the opposition Party are not all Republicans. They are fascists. They are corporatists. They are deceivers. They are liars. They are criminals.

They call themselves "conservatives". They say they are for smaller government. Then they spend us so far in the hole we may never get out. Or we may have to suffer some very severe economic consequences for their actions.

They say they are for individual freedom. Yet, they vote at every turn for the corporations. That is the definition of fascism. They have robbed the working and middle classes to fill the pockets of the rich.

As they were robbing the poor, they deceived them into believing they were helping them and preventing the Democrats from starting another "big government" program. In effect, they have lied at every turn. They are liars.

Also, they have supported the criminal enterprise that invaded Iraq. They refused to investigate any chares when they were in charge. No matter if $9 billion dollars were missing. Now they want to run on the premise that we must stay in Iraq forever. It is to protect America from the terrorists, they say. They are criminals.

Are there any Repub candidates you would consider just your basic run-of-the-mill Repub? Or are they all fascists, liars, and criminals?

Honestly, that's not a bad question. Speaking for myself, I've always kind of respected former NJ gov. Christine Todd Whitman, Sen. Olympia Snowe from Maine, and in my own home state, Wisconsin; we had a very good Republican governor, Lee Dreyfus, as recently as 1982. But I think the point this poster is making condemns the whole party, without taking names.

To get a list of not-so-bad current republicans, all you need to do is type, 'RINO' into the search engine at freerepublic.

And that's the point. In the political climate we live in, fund-raising is every candidate's number one priority. But all election "issues" are tightly controlled by the 5 or 6 corporations that own and set the agenda for the news media. That process -- what stories see the light of day, and which get buried -- doesn't even include the vast sums of money bankrolling all the ranting demagogues on Fox, or your local AM 'newstalk' station. That's a control mechanism/accounting fund whose sole purpose is to broadcast disinformation, the way bombers in WWII spewed aluminum chaff -- to keep us all (politicians included) distracted.

Personally, I don't know if that's even a very important priority right now, to assign specific blame -- or deserved recognition -- to any individual. First, everyone's got to begin to wake up and start to catch on to how bad things are.

Most Americans remain blissfully ignorant about this country's current place/status in the world.
But how long is that going to last?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/27/71916/663


They're all in bed together, really. The politicians, news and P.R. people, putting on an expensive, 24-hour, digitized dog-and-pony show that no one really takes completely seriously. It's not the creation (or the fault) of any group of individuals, or political faction, in any one "sovereign" nation of the planet.

You want an example?

Here's someone that's been in the news quite a bit lately, in the Washington Post:



Here's a plainly unhinged, looney-sounding individual, on some strange website too few people know about:



In short, for both of those pieces to ever be printed on opposite sides of the same N.Y. Times op-ed page, too many people with too much at stake would have to risk losing their current, high-paying jobs.

Edit: took out a repeated word.

That Democrats are never fascists, corporatists, deceivers, liars or criminals. That when Democrats call themselves "liberals" and say they support labor and the working class, they actually mean it and never work against those interests. That when they say they are for equal rights they will actually work to support equal rights and never vote at every turn for corporations and rob the working and middle classes to fill the pockets of the rich. That Democrats never lie and have never supported the criminal enterprise that invaded Iraq. That they have conducted meaningful investigations on charges while they were in charge. That they give a damn that $9 billion dollars have gone missing. That they are running on the premise of getting out of the quagmire that is Iraq. That they are not also criminals.

First, we need to get the GOP completely out of power. We know very well what they are and that they need to be stopped now, even if it means voting for Blue Dogs who survive their primaries.

Second, we need to weed out the Blue Dogs in the primaries, if not this time, then definitely when they come up for re election. We need to make things in Congress uncomfortable for conservatives in either party.

Conservatives have been the problem in both parties for the last 38 years, the years since the liberals have been out of power. Conservatives can't be part of any solution.

That voting solely on the basis of party affiliation is EXACTLY why the United States is such a political mess right now. We refuse to hold individual candidates and politicians to any kind of standard whatsoever; all that seems to matter is that they are our liar/criminal/fascist/corporate tool.

At what point do we hold individual lawmakers and policy shapers responsible for their actions? And why should people from one party be exempt from accountability?

because the Lobbyists working for all the Moneybags that Run Things are careful to bribe or co-copt politicians from *both* parties.

The catch is that as they've got politicians from each parties working together, behind the scenes, they distract everybody with useless info-tainment and personality "issues", like the price of Edwards' haircut, or Obama's secret Muslim past, that only obscure the real responsibility for the mess the country's in.

The Repubs vote in lockstep - with their Party leadership. No matter if it is to cut more taxes for the wealthy or to continue the criminal enterprise in Iraq, whatever the issue might me. That is not to say that Democrats are pure - they certainly are not. However, they are not as totally destructive as the Republican Party. I understand that it is not enough to say "my criminal is better than your criminal". But that seems to be our only choice at present..

K&R

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just look at Hillary. :shrug: and if I had more time, I'd go into the 'liars, deceivers and criminals' too. You can't lump all Dems in there, that's just not reality.

seem to lose every election no matter who seems to run. Sometimes we even get candidates running that speak up for the people and actually want America to be great for all not just the elite but we as voters eat up the media and give them who they want, not who we want.

Not all Democrats are saints and not all those who call themselves Democrats deserve to use the label.

When the corporations have installed their choice and we get cheneyed again what do we do?

Any of the top two dems (the only ones with a realistic chance) will do nicely (bought and paid for). And any of the GOP, but that goes without saying.

I say let the GOP inherit the shitstorm that's about to befall us. I may even have to vote for one of them assholes this time. Pffftttt, like it's not a foregone conclusion in my state. No need to vote here in SC.

Better to die fighting than to roll over and let them win.

Have you not seen his Senate record?

he wasn't perfect and has changed his mind since having been misguided by the Clintonistas.he can't be "bought" by anyone and I admire him and Elizabeth more than I can state.no other candidate is willing to sacrifice as much.

All of the rest ARE corporatists.

Edwards is the way to go ... and time is running short before the first caucuses/primaries. John's the most electable/least corporatist of the top tier. Start spreadin' the news ...