How many Americans are ready to Relocate

My wife and I have been discussing over and over, what are we willing to do to stay here in the good ole USA. We have been involved in local government. We have made donations to help even when we couldn't afford it. All of this is well and good but what are we really willing to do to stay here.

If the US government attacks Iran or any other sovereign nation (again) are we willing to protest and take to the streets forgetting about our jobs our STUFF, everything. The other option is to just leave. Leave our home, fully furnished and loaded with stuff. Just take the essentials and relocate. Maybe somewhere truly free. A country not run by religious zealots or corporations.

The thought of leaving makes us sad. Giving up use to be so un-american, but not anymore. Now it's called being un-patriotic.

How many others are struggling with this very problem? How many have already left?

And community connections.

I claim Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers as part of the progressive team.

But a provincial peabrain by any other name smells just as bad and is preached to by evil men with ulterior motives everywhere...

:bounce:

Why not sell your house and plan a move properly? Unless you fear closing the borders outwards in 2-3 months - which even I think is a long shot for our incipient theocracy - there is time to do so in a much more orderly and productive manner.

But have I thought about it? Sure. I score pretty highly on the Canada immigration test so I should be able to do that given enough time (not given enough time - I work less than a mile from the Niagara river where I could get to an unguarded border easily and become an illegal immigrant there!), but I also have the ace in the hole of being born in the UK, so as long as I can get there I can pick up as I left off no delay. To be perfectly selfish the only things keeping me here are a) hope that we can recover from Bush and b) short term financial impact. I would have to take a huge pay cut moving to either country above. When/if a) goes away I don't think b) alone will be enough. It's not like I'd be in much risk of poverty.

I have looked over the requirements to become a resident of the nation I am looking at.
Printed it out, verified what each requirement means.
Now I am making sure that I meet each and every requirement.
It is hoped that if I do this, they will not reject me and my wife.

A lot of hard times are coming in the USA, I would rather not be here when they happened, no matter who is president at the time, there is no escape from the foreign debt, the healthcare crisis, and the selfishness of the american citizen to do anything that might involve sacrifice for the betterment of all....

Short of another Great Depression, I don't see anything that will allow the average person in the US to give of themselves.

If anything, I am looking for a reason to stay...

I'll be sitting right here in New England when I am 100 years old.

The grass is always greener on the other side..........

But would be hard on my elderly mother who would not move. I went to Toronto on vacation last Spring and rather thought of myself living there and getting a job and apartment. I'd rather be most anywhere other than the Washington, D.C. area if this country attacks Iran. When the Pentagon was attacked I lived 1/2 a mile from it, and ever since I have thought getting out of the D.C. area would be a good thing.

i would be open to leaving for a few years solely for the experience of living in another country but i would want to return home. Plus living overseas might be helpful when my daughter starts applying to colleges.

between NYC and Paris, but, with the way this country is moving, I may be spending more time "over there" as I get older.

has gone beyond the pure speculation stage to reasoned discussion.

Where - Belgium. We have friends there and love the place.

When - that is the main question. How much further do things have to deteriorate before it gets to the point where leaving makes the most sense? The cons already control practically everything, just not to the extent that would prompt the move.

Not wanting to give up, especially for the sake of our children, is the main thing keeping us here, even now. We do not like the idea of turning the country over to the right-wing. They certainly do not deserve the potential that America represents, though they do deserve whatever destruction results from their actions. The only problem is that innocents will also get hurt when the slide to fascism is complete.

In some ways, a "hot" war is preferable to this cold one we are currently fighting, and losing. I particularly like the Russian tactic of scorched earth. If America does become what many of us fear, I have no problem with leaving behind an empty shell littered with the corpses of the corporatists, christists, and con men that are now running things. Let them reap what they sow, to borrow their own terminology.

where a Republican was telling his constituents not to leave the country because (Bill) Clinton was elected ... despite a bunch of his people saying that they would ...

Makes me wonder how many Repukes there are with dual citizenships (for tax purposes, naturally) who would "leave the country" if Hillary won?

(that was not easy - he must be highly motivated) and now one is going back to Australia (also a big deal with a cat). This one to Aus wants to get the hell out of Dodge, so to speak. He has dual citizenship and wife is Japanese, so he doesn't have much reason to stay here.

I did tell him to take water.

I have too much invested here, time, money, emotions, etc. to pick up and leave. Besides, I'm too damn stubborn to leave. I'll stay, I'll fight back in my own small way. But I won't be moved.

Unfortunately, the countries we would like to emigrate to have immigration laws that forbid it. :cry:

My wife and I don't have children , most of my family is gone now and hers are pretty screwed up .

I have only be out of the US twice to Canada and she has been there as well .

We don't have the resources to move , there is not much we have that we would miss in our apartment other than a few things and our cats , this is all we would care to take .

we don't know anyother life but now life in the US is a strange place indeed , it's almost comparable to living in another country at least in mental pictures .

When I look at what is going on in other countries such as the UK with all their cameras and Canada has it's share of problems . I don't care to move to Mexico or anywhere in south america .

So it seems no matter where one goes there will be unrest and trouble .

I don't want to see more war and I am not looking forward to these elections , as far as I'm concerned it's one enormous blood bath coming and no matter who comes out the winner , what will change in what's left of our lifes that we will see for the better .

We have thought of just getting a motorhome and see if we could find a spot in the US that is livable , where that is I have no idea . At least we would have a roof and be mobile ,thats about the only benefit to a life like that .

we don't trust much of anything anylonger , many americans are in the mindset of everyone for themselves .

Just thinking about all of this is so damn depressing just trying to see some light at the end of this tunnel .