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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:38 PM
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Earth's Eighth Continent: A Massive Floating Garbage Patch
You've got to be kidding me. Why have I never heard of this before?

A garbage patch 2X the size of Texas floating around the Pacific? :wtf:

From: The Tyee

http://thetyee.ca/News/2007/11/21/PacificGarbagePatch/">Earth's Eighth Continent

North Pacific Gyre traps flotsam.
It swirls. It grows. It's a massive, floating 'garbage patch.'

By David Reid
Published: November 21, 2007

The Phoenix

Located in the Pacific Ocean between California and Hawaii and measuring in at roughly twice the size of Texas, this elusive mass is home to hundreds of species of marine life and is constantly expanding. It has tripled in size since the middle of the 1990s and could grow tenfold in the next decade.

Although no official title has been given to the mass yet, a popular label thus far has been "The Great Pacific Garbage Patch."

As suggested by the name, the island is almost entirely comprises human-made trash. It currently weighs approximately 3.5 million tons with a concentration of 3.34 million pieces of garbage per square kilometer, 80 per cent of which is plastic.

Due to the Patch's location in the North Pacific Gyre, its growth is guaranteed to continue as this Africa-sized section of ocean spins in a vortex that effectively traps flotsam....



More: http://thetyee.ca/News/2007/11/21/PacificGarbagePatch/

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:40 PM
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1. i claim this patch of floating garbage for Spain!!!
just when i thought i'd never get to live the dream of planting a flag on virgin territory in the name of the king...


thank you, DU, you brought tears to my eyes. :patriot:
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:43 PM
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4. Maybe we could exile Bush, Cheney, and their entire cabal there
Let them have their own little continent to rule over. It would be such a fitting place for them.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:45 PM
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6. don't befoul my floating garbage patch!
i claimed it. it's mine! my precious!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:24 PM
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27. Literal LOL.
I hope the DUZY guy's watching this thread.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:42 PM
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2. That's Terrible!
Since we can go to the Moon..can we clean up our 8th continent?!
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:43 PM
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3. Shouldn't this be visible from space?
Having a hard time getting the link to come up, but one would think this would have been making the news a long time ago! I wonder if this "garbage continent" is visible from space?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:44 PM
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5. Ruh-roh ... I agree: Why haven't we heard about this?:
Oh yeah -- the news has been cancelled ...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:46 PM
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8. I've heard about this for many years now.
:shrug:
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MisterHowdy Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:45 PM
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7. i don't think I believe this.
I've heard of this before,
and googled it many times.
I've seen photos of clumps of floating garbage, but twice the size of Texas!?!?!

Bullshit.

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:53 PM
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13. Found this also
From: SF Gate

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/19/SS6JS8RH0.DTL

Friday, October 19, 2007

The enormous stew of trash - which consists of 80 percent plastics and weighs some 3.5 million tons, say oceanographers - floats where few people ever travel, in a no-man's land between San Francisco and Hawaii.

Marcus Eriksen, director of research and education at the Algalita Marine Research Foundation in Long Beach, said his group has been monitoring the Garbage Patch for 10 years.

"With the winds blowing in and the currents in the gyre going circular, it's the perfect environment for trapping," Eriksen said. "There's nothing we can do about it now, except do no more harm."

The patch has been growing, along with ocean debris worldwide, tenfold every decade since the 1950s, said Chris Parry, public education program manager with the California Coastal Commission in San Francisco.

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:55 PM
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14. the Wiki article in #12 cites that as an example of incorrect reporting
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 05:57 PM by MrCoffee
that specific article is source # 2 in the Wiki article.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:59 PM
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16. Watch this video. See for yourself.
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MisterHowdy Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:16 PM
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21. No texas-size, floating mass of garbage shown in this video.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:17 PM
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22. Just floating masses of garbage.
How big do you suppose it is?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 07:38 PM
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26. You didn't watch it
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:16 PM
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32. I watched it...trust me, if there was a floating mass of garbage
twice the size of Texas in the middle of the ocean, it would be common knowledge by now...

This is an area of the ocean where floating trash tends to accummulate...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:22 PM
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33. Yes, an area twice the size of texas where floating trash accumulates.
Which is common knowledge among anybody with rudimentary knowledge of oceanography.

Your point is escaping me.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:46 PM
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9. Proclaim flotsam to be jetsam, and the problem is solved. No more flotsam. Hell, I always wanted
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 05:47 PM by shain from kane
to say that. Don't know what it means, but what the Hell?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:48 PM
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10. flotsam = crap floating around, jetsam = stuff purposefully thrown in ocean
i.e., jettisoned.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:49 PM
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11. I was ranting about this at the grocery checkout just the other day
when the cashier (wrongly) insisted I (legally) needed a bag for my beer.

why would i put a box with handles on in in a bag? oy.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:49 PM
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12. "Why have I never heard of this before?"
It has been reported.

North Pacific Gyre

Some sources have incorrectly reported that there is a "floating continent" of debris that is roughly twice the size of Texas, however no scientific investigation, including Moore's, has verified this.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:01 PM
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18. The craziest part of that link...
Excuse me while I say again: :wtf:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre

Occasionally, shifts in the ocean currents release flotsam lost from cargo ships into the currents around the North Pacific Gyre, leading to predictable patterns of garbage washing up on the shores around the outskirts of the gyre. The most famous was the loss of approximately 80,000 Nike sneakers and boots from the ship Hansa Carrier in 1990: the currents of the gyre distributed the shoes around the shores of British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and Hawaii over the following three years. Similar cargo spills have involved tens of thousands of bathtub toys in 1992 and hockey equipment in 1994...
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:18 PM
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23. i remember news pictures of people combing the beaches for Nikes
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:56 PM
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15. Well, at least when Waterworld happens, we'll have something
to settle on...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:59 PM
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17. I imagine the media will be reporting on this ASAP!
But then I have a pretty good imagination.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:06 PM
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19. I have a relative who was in the Navy. You would not believe what those ships dump in the Ocean.
Entire cases of foods in cans that are expired or that aren't safe to eat after being exposed to the hot temperatures of the middle east-and on and on and on.

No doubt the cruise ships are dumping too. Then add all of our trash that gets tossed or blown around and we are just killing our beautiful oceans. :cry:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:14 PM
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20. I think this was the basis for an episode of Futurama
"Giant garbage ball.. Just passed by.. Horrible stench.."
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:31 PM
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24. It ain't on Google Earth

the North Pacific Gyre
does not show up on Google Earth
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:04 PM
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31. Well, it must not exist then. n/t
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:13 PM
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35. Credit cards are floating plastic
Must be that credit bubble that is following the housing bubble. You can't see it but it is there somewhere.















Weak attempt at humor ha ha hha
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:36 PM
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36. Weak attempt?
I enjoyed it. :)
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:49 PM
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25. Floating plastic waste is killing our planet. Mr. Gore, your thoughts please.
It's a floating garbage patch.


Earth's Eighth Continent

By David Reid
November 21, 2007



North Pacific Gyre traps flotsam.


.....

While the trash is in the ocean, it is doing what could be irreparable harm to sea life, the water it's in, and eventually humans.
Plastic resists biodegrading. Instead, a plastic shopping bag or pop bottle will photo-degrade over time, meaning that it will break down into smaller and smaller pieces but retain its original molecular composition.

The result is a great amount of fine plastic sand that resembles food to many creatures.
Unfortunately, the plastic cannot be digested, so sea birds or fish can eventually starve to death with a stomach full of plastic.
Even if the amount of plastic in a creature's body is not enough to block the passage of food, the small pellets act as sponges for several toxins, concentrating chemicals such as DDT to 1 million times the normal level.
This concentration then works its way up the food chain until a fish is served at our dinner table.

.....

In total, 267 species have been reported to have eaten from, or become entangled in, the Patch.

According to Chris Parry of the California Coastal Commission, regrettably little can be done to clean up the Patch, although many urge that a decreased reliance on plastic is the first step.
"At this point," said Parry, "cleaning it up isn't an option . . . it's just going to get bigger as our reliance on plastics continues."
"The long-term solution is to stop producing as much plastic products at home and change our consumption habits."

Cleaning up the Patch will likely cost billions of dollars and, as an approximation, be more difficult than vacuuming every inch of the United States. The plastic and garbage reach more than 30 metres down into the ocean and a great number of organisms would be destroyed in the process.
So far, no country has so much as proposed a solution, presumably because no nation wishes to claim responsibility.
Even if all plastic usage were to stop immediately, future geologists would be able to clearly mark the stratum designating the 20th and 21st century by an indelible layer of plastic coating the world's oceans.




Mr. Gore, our world needs you as our leader.


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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 08:45 PM
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28.  And they are justr going to let this thing
Sit out there and build and grow until it reaches coast to coast then they will build a highway across it and a few wal-marts and other box stores and people will think nothing of it .
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:03 PM
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29. of all the greatest achievments of man
the great wall of china has been king because you can see it from space

turns out the biggest message we send to space is how much crap we create.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:19 AM
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30. Actually, that's a myth
You can't see the Great Wall of China from space.

http://www.snopes.com/science/greatwall.asp
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:40 PM
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34. Who is going to clean it up?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:41 PM
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38. Right now there are various groups to try and figure out a way to clean it up...
it's not a giant island as everything thinks it is.

It a bazillion little pieces of plastic, some smaller than a grain of sand, that float at or well below the surface of the water. In fact, most of the plastic is not even visable from above.

The majority of it, resides in depths of upto 150 feet down.

This and "ghost netting" are slowing killing the wild life in the ocean.

Many marine life mistake the small plastic piece for krill.

Here is another link, much more indepth:

http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/archives/2007/2007-Jun-14/Article.cover_story/1/@@index
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:44 PM
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39. What a tragedy.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:37 PM
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37. So which is it?

00.5 million square miles - twice the size of Texas
11.7 million square miles - Africa-sized


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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:08 PM
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40. Great Pacific Garbage Patch
This the name oceanographers have given it. I had heard of it and recently read the book by Alan Weisman "The World Without Us" where he goes into some detail about it.

Covers about 10 million square miles. Not just as big as Texas, but nearly as big as Africa.

Estimated 3 million tons (about a half pound per 100 square meters)

Consists of cups, plastic bags, bottles and caps, fish nets, mono filament line, six pack rings, sandwich wrap, q-tips, toys, and virtually anything made of plastic. (and these are just the visible objects, some hang just below the surface, and others all the way to the ocean floor depending on their density).

More plastic by weight than plankton on the surface by a factor of six.

Turtles confuse plastic bags for jellyfish, birds tiny plastic chunks for fish eggs, and eat them. Birds have been found with so much indigestible plastic in their gullets, that the proportional amount in a human would weigh five pounds.

Plastic acts as a sort of sponge for toxics, some have up to a million times the toxicity of chemicals like PCB and DDT than the surrounding seawater.

This Gyre is only one of six major ones found in the worlds oceans, all with their own pools of debris.




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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:18 PM
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41. This scares the hell out of me.
:kick:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:43 PM
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42. Sadly, this isn't even news anymore. It's been a problem for a while.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 04:48 PM by kestrel91316
The solution: don't buy or use plastic disposable packaging.

I know. Easier said than done. We have some hard decisions to make - do we want a world with living creatures other than ourselves in it, or do we want to indulge our every whim because we have the money?

http://noplasticbags.blogspot.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre
http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocean/Moore-Trashed-PacificNov03.htm
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/oceans/pollution/trash-vortex

How we can help:
http://simplereduce.wordpress.com/riot-for-austerity90-rules/
Yes, I'm serious. Stop with the consume/consume/consume and the toss/toss/toss.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:50 PM
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43. Proof that there is no such thing as "away", as in "throwing something away".
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