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Sean Stuart Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:53 AM
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My first thread and an attempt to start a chain email. (Re: "God, the Professor, and the Marine")
This is a very popular right-wing chain email going around: (bear with me)

God, the Professor, and the Marine

A United States Marine was attending some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes."

The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.

The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do that?" The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid shit and act like an asshole. So, He sent me."


This is one of the most widespread chain emails I've ever seen. I've personally gotten it more than once from different sources and it's becoming a popular blog post. In its more current versions, it includes the claim that it's true, which is most certainly b.s.

My proposed addition to this chain email:

Epilogue to God, the Professor, and the Marine

I've gotten this email twice over the past few weeks and for the life of me I couldn't immediately decipher the moral of the story. Predictably, it contains two pure archetypes of right-leaning chain emails: the liberal god-hating academic and the tough god-fearing soldier, with the ACLU invoked for good measure. But after that, I get confused.

This chain email expresses a classic example of right-wing American doublethink, that is: American soldiers have fought and died to preserve our right to free speech, so therefore we should choose not to practice it. On the contrary, I would tend to believe that practicing my free speech would be the best honor possible for those who've fought and died for it. Otherwise, we're simply saying to our veterans past and present, "Thanks for taking a bullet to preserve my rights, but, eh, I prefer not to use them anyway."

The free speech soldiers have fought for is not to protect our right to express our love for our country, our devotion to the majority religion, or our admiration for our governing leaders. If that were the case we wouldn't need free speech rights at all - we'd be perfectly happy in North Korea or Burma or Saudi Arabia, for example, where such "speech" is permitted without limit. If anything, free speech rights exist to protect the unpopular, minority, and perhaps offensive opinions of any given time and place, exactly one of the core missions of, you guessed it, the ACLU.

The Marine in this scenario is actually doing more than Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein ever did to stifle the right of free speech in America, and if he despises this right so much then maybe he shouldn't have signed up to protect it. Nevertheless, he is presented as a hero for physically assaulting a man deriding the notion of the existence of God. The moral of the story of course is this: "Keep your goddamn mouth shut." And the "goddamn" is key, for in this scenario God sends a proxy to strike a man who dares practice unpopular speech. The fact that He is also taking our side in a war is simply thrown in for an especially fist-pumping climax.

This email does not commend a soldier for risking his life to protect disagreeable speech. It commends him for attacking it.

The Marine Corps Oath:
"I do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Note to this fictional Marine: "The Constitution" includes the First Amendment, "all enemies" include yourself, and "domestic" might even be inside a college lecture hall.


If you like what this says please consider sending it out as a response to the right-wing garbage filling up inboxes all over the web.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:00 AM
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1. I like the response, but I refuse to respond.
My approach is to not feed the monster.

Occasionally, I will dive into a cesspool filled with knuckledragging neo-cons and stir up the mud. Mostly, however, I prefer to let them sit among themselves, festering in their own anger.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:05 AM
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4. Agree 100% n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:06 AM
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5. Exactly. nt
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:27 AM
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8. No offense intended, but...
IMO, this type of inaction is what allows the cesspool to form in the first place. People will never realize how wrong they are if nobody ever takes the time to point it out to them.

Also, I think for many people, adopting the "not feeding the monster" philosophy is just a convenient way for them to avoid conflict while still maintaining their sense that they are a good person inside (which they really aren't if they never say anything to the cesspool). I'm not saying that's you, but...if there was ever a time to stand up for something in this country, this would be it. And yes, standing up will probably piss off your RW friends and relatives, and they may not like you anymore. That's part of the consequences for being a good person.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:52 AM
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10. The problem with that is
so much of this BS goes unanswered that people start to think there is something to it. Not everybody has time to google the story to see if it's true - they think it's true unless somebody pipes up to immediately debunk it.

Look at how many people still think Bill Clinton turned down the Sudan's offer of Osama bin Laden's head on a platter?

Why did the swift boat stories last for a whole month? Because, Kerry didn't immediately get out on every news program available and strongly denounce them personally.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:16 AM
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13. How's that working out with Ann Coulter? David Horowitz?
People have gotten their grill for years, and all it does is guarantee them lucrative speaking tours and incredible book sales.

I won't discourage you from trying to educate the willfully ignorant, but I have no desire to lend a hand in that regard.

Both Kerry and Gore did pathetic jobs responding to the slander heaped on them; responding to a personal attack is far different than mixing it up in response to a brainlees email.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:33 AM
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14. The problem is
that nobody steps up to stop them - that's how the "Obama is a radical Muslim educated in a Madrassas school" one got started. It kept going and going and it's finally become such an issue that Obama has to constantly knock it down.

if just a small handful of people responded, these sorts of emails wouldn't have such a long life and wouldn't become mainstream issues.







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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:36 AM
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15. I read the debunking of the Obama rumor the same day the rumor was reported.
You're confusing the points, but I have no fantasies that my comments will have any impact.

Please, respond to the knuckledraggers to your heart's content.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:42 AM
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16. it's not just knuckledraggers, though
it gets out to a lot more people than just the RW idiots.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:01 AM
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2. This is an excellent response and should be in circulation.
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 09:03 AM by annabanana
The only problem is that the RW, multi-forwarded mail that you got does not appeal to reason, or any kind of rational analysis. It is 100% lizard-brain, knee-jerk, tear-jerking emotionalism.

They get a big lump in their throat (and who knows where else) by imagining themselves to be like the cartoon Marine in the story, and are not interested in looking at it from any logical point of view.

That said:

"It couldn't hurt" to send it to people who you suspect might be carrying a brain around in their craniums!!

on edit: Welcome to DU! Every voice raised against the lunacy is a voice I like to hear!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:04 AM
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3. "imagining themselves to be like the cartoon Marine in the story"
yep ... the key word there ... "imagining" ...

and when their opportunity to actually get in the uniform and pick up the rifle ... they've got better things to do (and better paying jobs, I remember the groupthing was in the 90s ...)
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:11 AM
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6. Excellent response!
My former SIL is now a fundie. SHe sent this to me months ago and I simply ignored it. If I had had this then I would have mailed it to her. I will bookmark for future dumbness coming at me. Thanks and Welcome to DU! Nice first thread! :hi:
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Sean Stuart Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:27 AM
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7. Thanks, redwitch :)
I've just sent it out. Since I got one of the originals from my father, I'm especially awaiting his response. Hehe.

Here's a piece by The Nation which made me want to write the response:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071112/hayes/3
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:47 AM
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9. Wow! That Andy Martin fellow is a real charmer!
Thanks for sharing a really interesting article.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:57 AM
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11. As an athiest professor -- I think its a really funny joke.
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 09:58 AM by aikoaiko

:shrug:


eta: but I support your response.


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Sean Stuart Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:36 PM
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19. :) Did you ever get punched in the face for your heathenism?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:16 PM
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21. No, but sometimes I get literature trying to save my soul.

;)

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:59 AM
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12. Excellent response - welcome to DU
If somebody on the right brings up the ACLU, I always like to point out that when Rush was in trouble with the law over his drug trafficking and doctor shopping, he ran to the ACLU for help... as have a few others in the RW crowd, if I'm not mistaken.

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Sean Stuart Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:39 PM
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20. Check it out!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:12 AM
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17. Too nuanced, they wont get it.
Not to mention that in most cases our soldiers are fighting for things other than out civil rights, or even the civil rights of the local populace where they are fighting.

If you substitute "Corporate Profits", "Dollar Hegemony", "Access to cheap oil", etc. for "what American soldiers are protecting" in the original parable, it would be correct.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:23 AM
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18. I had a class once with a former Marine.
The prof got up and asked us to debate the bombing of Hiroshima. Considering it was an evangelical college, it wasn't surprising that most everyone who first spoke up defended the attack. I spoke up against it, citing Hiroshima and the research I had done on it. That's when the former Marine started yelling at me.

Because I was upset that my country, supposedly the moral high ground, had vaporized innocent babies and civilians, he screamed at me that I hated my country, that I should leave America, and that I was a horrible person who hadn't fought for my country and wanted troops to die. I fought back, citing my family's WWII history, that I had travelled and seen how the Third World lives, and that our founding fathers and mothers had fought and died for my right to question my government. That's when he called me a Commie, and that's when I called him a fascist.

He scared the prof, he scared a lot of the other students in the room, and even his buddy sitting next to him was red and nervous. He scared everyone--how was that godly? Screaming threats at people in a full classroom just because he thought that no one should ever question our government or questionable parts in our nation's history?

I'm just sayin'--what about the other people in the room? What would Jesus do? Knock an enemy out or love him?
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