Can anyone here think of any behavior that is more un-American?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_detainee">Ghost prisoners and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition">extraordinary renditions and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture">torture.

Is it possible to perform ANY other act that is more un-American than these are?

I keep wracking my brain and I can't think of ANYTHING that comes close to being this antithetical to what America is all about.

Can anyone else think of something worse by American standards?

Impeachment is too good for these people.

Good old-fashioned American cronyism accounts for a certain amount of that kind of behavior. This is a different animal.

is, although not as horrid, still complicit.

Yep, those folks should all be impeached, too.

and many other peoples.

But, give the Bushies time. I have no doubt they are working on rabranding such behavior and marketing is as American as Apple Pie, the same way torture criminality and high crimes committed by Leader have all now been rebranded as American as Applie Pie.

I still think it will be Kinder and Gentler in it's new form than the older 20th Century Form.

But populations are so much higher than then, it may cancel out and the Bushies may get their 12,000,000 mass murdered/50,000,000 killed in DubyaDubyaThree yet still.

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Especially those Native Americans.

Also, ever hear of East Timor?

Turning a blind eye.

And thanks to the OP for mentioning impeachment.

It's unconscionable to think that we would let this criminal behavior go unchecked. Especially in our highest public offices.

Sure, no one must deny any of the atrocities that are our heritage. But in an overall sense, we could be characterized by our hard-fought struggle to create that more perfect union. Our entire history is bloody and violent, even from before the beginning. But through it all, at least since George Washington laid down his marker, we have always shunned certain conduct.

It is not what this country is about. It never has been.

It seems like the arc of history was always moving in a certain direction for this country, from our fight for independence, though our own Civil War, the labor conflicts, and later fighting back the robber barons and the Nazis, through the civil rights movement; it has always been bloody, but we were always moving in the right direction, and we never had a national policy of disappearing people.

Until now.

and quite representative of what this nation and a lot of its people have become.

Disgraceful? Yes. Un-American? No. Not anymore. And not likely to be in the future.

Virtually all of these prisoners are of one particular race and one particular religion. They are almost entirely Arab, and almost entirely Muslim.

Just think about the implications of that. We are treating people from one specific race under a different set of laws and shipping them off to secret prisons where there is no oversight from human rights organizations. We know there is waterboarding, but aside from that we really have no clue what goes on in these places in fact we don't even know where many of these prisons are located much less what happens inside them.

And it is one specific race being targeted.

Does anyone remember another time this happened in the past century?

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I think we may have a winner.

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Things can always get worse, can't they?

It's just that now America is the kind of place where it's no longer necessary to keep such peccadillos secret.