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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:53 PM
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Poll question: What do you look for in a "leader?"
I can tell it's a weekend, sure as shootin'. Posts that would at least get some replies and/or recs on the weekdays fall flat on the weekends. I've noticed this before and can't help but wonder why it's that way.

:shrug: Why ask why?

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Anyway... I'm curious as to what DUers expect out of our "leadership." Both in-party and in our country as a whole.

So what do YOU want from your "leaders?"

I'm really curious about this because I'm not much of a follower at all. I stake my position and choose "leaders" who hold positions most similar to my own.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:57 PM
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1. You left off 'someone who tells the truth.' nt
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:58 PM
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2. A good leader is a person who follows..
.. the will of the people.


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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:04 PM
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3. In a Democracy, yes...
That was the point of my other post.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:06 PM
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4. Sometimes yes,
sometimes no.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:08 PM
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5. #1 sounds rather like what we've got now.
Have to be pretty careful with picking that sort of person. Get the wrong type and, blammo, 8 years of war.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:10 PM
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6. Someone who abides by the Constitution all the time
No questions.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:27 PM
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25. I've got a candidate for you!
He loves the Constitution so much, he never goes anywhere without it....

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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:15 PM
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7. I'm not looking for a leader
What I want is a representative who will listen and follow the peoples wishes.

:think:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:18 PM
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8. Me too...
Then again, there are times that the "will of the people" happens to be at cross-purposes with what is BEST for the people in the long run. The electorate doesn't always take the long view. Thirty years ago gay rights weren't really even on the radar, and people were still taking issue with interracial marriage. But in general, yes.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:27 PM
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9. It doesn't necessarily have to be the majority of the people.
There are enough intelligent people on this planet to come up with good solutions for any problem.

There are many problems in this world that we have long known the answers for, but somehow greed and corruption always get in the way.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:29 PM
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10. Also true...
I agree that there are solutions to a lot of problems, but greed does get in the way.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:32 PM
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12. Just think what this world could be
If we took all the money that is wasted on war and religions and greed and actually used it for the betterment of humankind
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:34 PM
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13. No kidding...
I think about that sort of thing a lot.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:05 PM
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22. Dr. Patch Adams and the Gesundheit Institute
What is the School for Designing a Society?
The School for Designing a Society is a project of teachers, performers, poets, and activists. It is an ongoing experiment in making temporary living environments where the question "What would I consider a desirable society?" is given serious playful thought, and taken as input to creative projects.


This June, the School for Designing a Society travels to the Gesundheit institute in West Virginia, to offer a one month course in creating alternatives. The curriculum is centered around the project of desire and design: of brain-and-heart-storming the world you desire, and of learning ideas to implement that. Desire and design refuse the notion of "it can't change". People of all walks and stages of life are invited to apply--students, nurses, artists, economists, mothers, retired people. The Gesundheit site is situated on 310 acres in rural West Virginia - with two waterfalls, a four acre pond, extensive gardens and orchards, and several unique buildings - we will use the land itself as a teaching tool as well as establishing connections between the Gesundheit! project and designing a society.


Why design?
Criticisms of the problems of the present society are often met with justifications. Once these justifications fail, many a conversation of hopeful intention is stopped with the (final) statement: "The present organization of society is the best we have", or the question: "Do you have a better idea?"

This is a moment of possibility and not one to be left speechless. Indeed, many a time, the respondent finds herself sputtering, filled with a spirit of rebellion which unfortunately gets watered down to the mere language of complaint.

Having had the time and opportunity to create--in conjunction with others of diverse experiences--detailed maps, dreams, plans, scripts, scores, videos, and blueprints of her desirable society, we imagine the situation could go differently.

Imagine an atmosphere of audacity: She's asked the question: "Do you have a better idea?" Everyone taking a coffeebreak looks at her or their shoes. She looks the interlocutor in the eye and reaches into her purse? knapsack? briefcase? kitchen drawer? for a booklet of proposals, slaps it on the table scattering cigarette butts, and answers: "Here, read this--this will give you an idea of what I want."

What Distinguishes this School from other Schools?
There are no more than a handful of schools, in any country, based on the desire for social change; this school proposes in addition, that social change be based on desires. In no other school are the desires of its students given such a high priority.

This school is organized by people who make a point of knowing how to accept an invitation.

There is no administration.


This school emphasizes performance; but, performance understood in a particular way. Not athletic performance, bottom-line year-to-date economic or competitive scholastic achievement award winning performance. Performance, rather, in the sense of having an intent and choosing, from alternatives, a preferred way of presenting that intent. Thus, this school emphasizes performance not only in the sense of practicing music, movement, speech, the "Performing Arts", but also in the sense of daily performance, the performance of social roles, the performance of our identities. And further, the interest in performance is not academic, reporting the way things are, but active: performances, including the daily seemingly natural ones, are treated as changeable and choosable. There will be many opportunities in this school to have fun with, to play with, to experiment with ways of presenting intent.

"We want to address language: how we speak and how language speaks us. Inherited linguistic patterns form one of the strong arms of a social system, often hiding and justifying oppressive structures while ruling out the creation of alternatives to these. This strong arm is frequently left unexamined or considered to be of minor importance. In this school, while studying a subject, discussing an event, making a decision, we will squint nervously at the language used, prodding each other into moments of created eloquence."
-- Susan Parenti

For more on the School for Designing A Society go to www.designingasociety.org
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:20 PM
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24. I visited his Gesundheit Institute,...geez,...it's been about ten years ago, now.
I'm glad you brought this up. I've wondered, from time to time, how his vision has been evolving.

Thanks!!! :hi:
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:38 PM
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27. You are welcome
:hi:
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:19 PM
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18. That's exactly what I was going to say! n/m
n/m
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:30 PM
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21. Great minds think alike.
:toast:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:31 PM
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11. One that we can throw out when he/she screws up.
"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
Thomas Paine
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:35 PM
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14. I reject this "finger in the wind" analogy
NO politician governs that way. In fact, the expression is often used by RWers to describe Dems who have the audacity to change their opinions when new facts come to light.

There may be some politicians who have less than pure motives for what they do and may change their opinions and values seemingly suddenly, but it sure ain't popular opinion that causes it in MOST cases.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:37 PM
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15. Oh, I don't buy it either...
I threw it out there for contrast more than anything else. Notice that no one chose that option.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:42 PM
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16. I am sorry but Chrisma and Personality gave us Regan and
GWBush. Starting with Regan this country is now about over
the cliff in the wrong direcrion.

Using the cult of Personality is damaging to the country IMO.

Remember there was a time when GWB was in the 80s in favorability
and likeablity. No one would cross him.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:52 PM
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17. I'd never equate Reagan and Bush with having "vision", though, as included in the OP. nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:21 PM
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19. A leader who is determined to help those of us in poverty.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:21 PM
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20. Somebody who at least applies lubrication before they fuck you over.
That'd be a nice change of pace.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:16 PM
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23. I can't really vote on your poll.
Sure, I believe a leader must have vision and charisma. However, I would modify your poll. A "leader" is a person willing to take a charismatic stand for a COMMON vision shared by ALL people and benefiting a whole nation while simultaneously having the courage to modify the path towards that vision through creative unifying activities.

Sounds complicated but it's not. Round-table, team-oriented, problem-solving meetings happen all the time and work quite well.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:27 PM
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26. Someone I'd rather drink a beer with.
:rofl:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:39 PM
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28. Nothing: I don't like the principle of leadership itself
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 06:39 PM by alcibiades_mystery
I don't want "leaders" and I don't like "leaders."
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