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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:35 AM
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Insurers shrink from coasts (not just in the Gulf, it's happening on the East coast too)
As insurance companies retreat from their coverage of coastal areas along the Eastern Seaboard, legislators in Annapolis and other state capitals are stepping in to protect homeowners faced with fewer and fewer options.

Maryland legislators have grilled insurance executives at hearings and introduced bills that would force companies to cover all areas of the state. Lawmakers also are looking at granting the state's top regulator more authority over the industry, and offering tax breaks to encourage residents to safeguard their homes against storm damage.

The confrontation comes as Allstate Corp., State Farm Insurance Cos. and Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. - three of the largest insurers in Maryland - have moved to limit their liability along the Atlantic Coast and in some cases near the Chesapeake Bay, areas feared to be at heightened risk from hurricanes. Similar changes have been made in other coastal areas; State Farm recently decided to stop selling new policies on homes and small businesses in all of Mississippi.

"We have to send the message you just can't pick and choose based on some prediction of what may happen in the future," said Sen. Norman R. Stone Jr., a Baltimore County Democrat. "If things were 100 percent guaranteed, you wouldn't need insurance."

Companies are not only refusing new policies in coastal areas; they are raising rates, imposing higher deductibles and dropping coverage for certain claims, such as mold damage. They are doing so even though many states, including Maryland, have taken on higher-risk homeowners through government-run insurers of last resort.

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"Coastal exposure is potentially bankrupting exposure," said Joseph J. Annotti, spokesman for Property Casualty Insurers Association of America, which represents some of the nation's largest homeowner insurers.



http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.coastal18feb18,0,240422.story?coll=bal-local-headlines
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:07 AM
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1. they're a business...nobody can rule who they're going to insure.
there has been explosive growth up and down the coast here in florida. huge high-rises that should not have been built in high risk areas. we were having record hurricanes, and at the same time they're building more and more of these high-rises. insanity.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:23 AM
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4. Sorry, the insurance companies are not hurting. They continue to
make huge profits while the people that they DO insure are told that their policies are worthless because the insurance companies insist that the coverage does not cover any kind of damage from storms.

My coverage which was $23.00 per month in 1990 with a $500 deductible on any damage is now $160.00 per month with a deductible of 2% of the value of the entire insurance policy. I haven't changed companies.

And none of us who are paying for these insurance policies know if they will pay off in the case of severe damage.

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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:54 AM
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8. i never said the insurance companies were hurting.
my insurance story sucks, too...we got DUMPED by our insurance company and had to go with citizens. we were paying $800 a year, now we're paying close to $3,000.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:56 AM
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19. Interesting stat in the story is that overall, the industry has lost $10.4 Billion in FL over
the last 15 years. No profit there.

Also remember that in many cases the companies are unique to the state to accomodate regulation. XX Insurance bought in FL is bought from the XX Insurance Company of FL which is a different company than the XX Insurance company of Wyoming. While done to accomodate local regulators, it also means its greatly limits the ability to move funds from one state to another.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:13 AM
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2. For Crying Out Loud
"We have to send the message you just can't pick and choose based on some prediction of what may happen in the future," said Sen. Norman R. Stone Jr., a Baltimore County Democrat"

Probability tables are the very basis of insurance risk. This politician isn't being honest with his constituents by making this statement to the media.

The insurance companies must be encouraged to stay in given areas, but adjust their rates in those areas only to reflect the real risk. Don't allow insurance companions to spread the risk by adjusting the rates of the whole state to assist those on the coast or at high risk.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:27 AM
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5. It smacks of govt giveaway to beachfront/waterfront developers.
Developers: "Gee, we can't build and sell beachfront homes if potential buyers won't be able to get insurance (lenders won't allow it). Help us out, Maryland General Assembly, make the Insurance Companies provide coverage for these high risk areas, so we can continue developing them"

And guess who is ultimately picks-up the tab. You and me.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:56 AM
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10. You are absolutely right! That's what I've been seeing, and it makes me sick! eom
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:49 AM
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16. Concur
Pols don't want to even try to understand risk and probabilities. It makes their heads hurt.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:57 AM
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20. Insurance companies are a business. How come
other businesses have to take economic hits and they don't; either raising rates like there's no tomorrow or abandoning the area in favor of more lucrative ones?

There's a word for it. And it ain't "business".

However, if consumers are the ones in control, let's convince them all to drop their insurance at the drop of a pin. Then the insurance companies will go bankrupt and we can all party. :crazy: (Note: It won't happen.)
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:23 AM
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3. But why should I, living well inland, be forced to subsidize insur. for people building on beaches?
By requiring insurance companies to make policies available to anyone, exclusive of risk exposure - then policy premiums increase for everyone. Maryland will forcing ALL its citizens to subsidize the few who insist on developing vulnerable beachfront/waterfront property in an era of global warming and rising water levels.

Why are Maryland Dems demanding the people subsidize the rich? :crazy:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:34 AM
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6. Will that discourage new homes? Discourage others moving there?
Will that cause the population to shift away from Florida and other spots that have been enjoying population increases?
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:51 AM
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7. It encourages new homes in the highest risk, as well as the most environmentally sensitive, areas
The only thing restraining the current willy-nilly frenzy of beachfront/waterfront building is the insurance issue. Insurors are seeking to pull-out from areas in which the risk is becoming excessive due to ramifications of global warming. The result is that, without an insurance policy in hand, mortgage lenders won't provide loans to new home buyers (lenders need to know they'll get their money back in the event a home is destroyed - insurance is mandatory requirement).

If Maryland mandates insurance companies make coverage available everywhere, including vulnerable beachfront/waterfront properties - then the homebuyers get their req'd policies, the mortgage lenders are willing to make the loans, the developers keep developing - and you and I get stuck with the tab in the form of higher premiums and increasing loss of waterfront habitat.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:56 AM
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11. Laws on building on coasts were loosened about 25 years ago.
That's why Va. Beach, Nag's Head, coastal SC, have all become more densely populated.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:00 AM
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13. You're right. It wasn't long ago that Nags Head was nearly pristine. Now it's Atlantic City.
And it's happening all over, too. Ironically, people are relocating to the coasts in droves, precisely at the moment in history when the dangers of living there are increasing exponentially.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:59 AM
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12. Tin Man is 100% correct on this. Same damn thing going on here in Florida.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:44 AM
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15. In comparison, look at the laws New England made after the Hurricane of '38.
Check out the Hartford Courant for the intricate details relating to the sale of Katharine Hepburn's house. The property was going to change hands for the first time in nearly 100 years and the new owners were/are going to be subject to the post-'38 laws.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:55 AM
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9. It's like health insurance. They'll pick and choose whom they want to insure. nt
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:06 AM
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14. Here's today's front page editorial from MS Sun-Herald
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/16728676.htm

PUNISHING MISSISSIPPI: SUN HERALD EDITORIAL
The Good Neighbor policy

According to a press release, State Farm "is concerned that provisions in its insurance policies are being reinterpreted after the fact to provide for coverages that were not contemplated when the policies were written."

Bull.

State Farm is not being prudent, it is being punitive.

• It is using fear to scare up a better settlement in federal court. But it is not the state's legal environment that is becoming untenable for the insurance giant, it is State Farm's insane contention that hurricane-force winds did not damage the property of its policyholders.

• It is trying to divide coastal and inland Mississippians over the cost and availability of insurance coverage. But while State Farm is willing to abandon South Mississippi, we do not believe the rest of the state is.

• And in the process, State Farm is using up more and more of the good will built up over the decades by agents who deserve better from their corporate masters

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:52 AM
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17. But, but, but, but, but global warming's a myth spread by crazy leftists.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:54 AM
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18. LOL, the insurance companies have fallen into leftist hands!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:00 AM
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21. Yes siree, free lunch, condoms & gasoline compliments of Prudential.
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