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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:53 PM
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Habib claimed 'experimented upon' in Guantanamo Bay
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 04:55 PM by siri2k

Found at Citizens for Legitimate Government:


'They (were) using us like rats and dogs and animals.' Habib claimed 'experimented upon' in Guantanamo Bay 03 Dec 2007 Mamdouh Habib says he was beaten until his final days in the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and has accused Australian officials of having "no humanity" for failing to intervene. Mr Habib today said he was beaten from the day of his arrest in Pakistan in 2001 until his final moments in 2005 at Guantanamo Bay, where he claimed he was experimented upon. "People have no humanity, they have been using us for experiments," he told the court. "They (were) using us like rats and dogs and animals. "Every single injection, I take it by force." (The Doctors' Trial - officially United States of America v. Karl Brandt, et al. - Charge #2: 'War crimes: performing medical experiments, without the subjects' consent, on prisoners of war and civilians of occupied countries, and participation in the mass murder of concentration camp inmates.' Seven Nazi doctors were executed for their participation in medical war crimes. Will their modern counterparts - Bush and Cheney - hang for same? --LRP)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:55 PM
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1. Could we sink any lower as a country
Wait, don't answer that.
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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:07 PM
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6. Well, the US destroyed Iraq's antiquities. Even the Nazis didn't...
destroy art.
Please - no lurkers/Freepers saying I'm 'defending' the Nazi regime. LOL. I'm not.
I'm merely stating that a case can be made that the US - in a cultural sense - was more barbaric than the Third Reich.
Here you have stupid_cowboy_meets_fascism - not a good combo for the lead barbarian (Bush) that gave the command to raid Iraq's museums, etc.
No worries, though - the Oil Ministry was well protected.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:34 PM
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28. Let me know
when we kill 20 million or so..Iraqi looters stole the contents of the museums.

Poor planning, and bad policy do not genocide make.

Nazi comparisons are really bad, unless you are comparing Hitler, Stalin, and Mao to see who killed millions more...
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:19 PM
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30. "Poor planning" ??????
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:54 PM by ConsAreLiars
What a lame bit of apologistics.

While you may excuse the murder of 4-5% of the population, the maiming of several times more, and driving 1/5th from their homes as just a minor boo-boo, the charge of genocide comes a lot closer to describing what was done. Your 20 million comparison amounts to exactly 5% of the 400 million population of western Europe, excluding European Russia. The leader of your country compares in all too many ways to Hitler. Nixon's favorite in Southeast Asia did better than that, murdering about 10-15%. So maybe it is appropriate to rank your president somewhere between Hitler and Pol Pot.

edit to add the clarifying ????? to the header)

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:51 PM
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31. WTF!!!! HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE,...IN YOUR WORLD,...TO CONSTITUTE,...
,...GENOCIDE!!!!

whatever

fuck the 'genocide' thingy geez

HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE TO CONSTITUTE MASSIVE WAR CRIMES WHEN THESE PEOPLE DID NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING,...

,...NOTHING AT FUCKING ALL TO THREATEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ARE DYING, HAVE DIED IN FUCKING MASSES,...

A MILLION,...IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU?

A MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! MILLIONS DISLOCATED!!! MILLIONS DISABLED!!!! MILLIONS SUFFERING!!!

HOW MUCH FUCKING DEATH AND SUFFERING DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HORROR INFLICTED BY YOUR, OUR NATION, THE USA?

Jesus Christ.

Nazi comparisons are suitable whether you like it or not.
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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:15 AM
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34. Bush bin Laden may end up killing more people than Hitler, etc. -
His illegitimate reign of terror has not yet ended - and he's a desperate dictator. He may carry out another 9/11-style attack, in order to declare martial law and remain in power.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:57 PM
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2. Did anyone think this *wasn't* happening?
These guys are the Fourth Reich. I already assume they've become quite adept at the things Mengele & Co were developing 60 years ago.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:06 PM
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A lot of this has come out of the CIA ---
and JFK's instincts about smashing them into bits and blowing them away were certainly
right ---

In fact, IKE seemed to be our firstd "conspiracy theorist" re the MIC ---
and at the time he included "intelligence" TWICE --- taken out of his speech TWICE!

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:02 PM
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3. Beyond the Rubicon. No worries or regrets, torture and kill whoever
gets in the way and sometimes perform experiments on them. Why not. Ain't human beings anyway. Not like us!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:05 PM
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4. We're reliving the Nazi nightmare . . .
Seven years --- and we're just getting confirmation of this now --- ????!!!

Obviously, Congress has known ---

Way back to our attack on Panama --- which made no sense, of course ---
there were a lot of rumors of experimental weapons being used on population.

As Noami Klein is making clear --- as if we didn't already recognize it --- these
are psychotic people ---

And ANYTHING is possible ---

These are people who take power thru violence --- and when we are blocked from seeing that we are being done an injustice.

None of this could be happening without decades of political violence ---
and when we discuss our "politics" without understanding the violence involved,
we are being encouraged to confuse ourselves.






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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:10 PM
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8. Busholini & his Fascist Regime have committed War Crimes.
Will Congress do anything to demand an accountability?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:06 PM
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23. I think they've heard about this ....and nothing seems to have happened --- !!!
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:06 PM
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5. What was the injection? nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:11 PM
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10. You'd probably have to torture Cheney to find that out --- !!!
The trial continues ....
don't see any indication that anyone knows what the experiments were ---

but, probably whatever the injections were, we'll probably never know
unless we totally split this government OPEN ---

the SECRECY is covering a pile of crime/corruption/insanity/deranged behaviors that
is formenting somewhere and probably ready to explode ---


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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:26 PM
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15. Cheney can be waterboarded - he said it's not torture, right? n/t
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:11 PM
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11. That's what I'm wondering. We will probably never know.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 05:12 PM by Flabbergasted
Medication? Probably not.

Truth Serum?

Lying? Possibly



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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:23 PM
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14. I'd like to learn what was in the injection. But, Guantanamo Bay...
mystery injections can't be good...
I read that the 'food' served to prisoners was from 1992, etc.
Yup, KBR and Halliburton is making a *killing* on these detentions without trials.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:25 PM
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26. tetanus shot?
I'll hold off buying this guys story hook line and sinker.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:09 PM
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7. I always suspected the BushCo gulags were for 'creating' intelligence,...
,...via mindwashing and torture.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:17 PM
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25. kick
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:11 AM
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33. Now there's a thought! But they gave none to bushitler.
:rofl:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:11 PM
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9. Why? This serves no purpose
There's no possible way for Bush to justify this. Its just sick.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:12 PM
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12. Bushco can't justify anything they do . .. but their machine keeps bouncing along --- !!!!
IMPEACHMENT IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP THEM ---

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:29 PM
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19. Because they can.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:13 PM
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13. "That's what they did in Germany."
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sistagoldilocks42 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:57 PM
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16. WOULD IT SHOCK AMERICANS IF CHINA AND RUSSIA BOMB US FOR OUR WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY
Wake up my fellow Americans.

INTERNATIONAL MORALITY HAS DISAPPEARED

FORTRESS AMERICA

IMAGINE GLOBAL PEACE

HUMANITY OUR CHILDREN AND ANCESTORS DEMAND BETTER FROM US

ROLL OUT THE CRANES IN WASHINGTON MALL

TIME TO HANG THESE WAR CRIMINALS AND THEIR BROWN SHIRT FASCIST CRONIES.

RESTORE THE RULE OF INTERNATIONAL MORALITY

OR HAVE IT REMAIN A FLEETING ILLUSION TO BE PERUSED, BUT NEVER ATTAINED

LOVE AND "LIGHT'
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:05 PM
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22. Maybe some other nation will invade us and we can have Nuremberg trials --- ???
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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:33 PM
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37. Hope springs eternal! n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:28 PM
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27. Would you like to see the end of mankind?
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 10:28 PM by Pavulon
because this lunacy you are spewing would lead to a global thermonuclear exchange. The 85,000 deaths in Iraq or even the wild 1,000,00 deaths would be doled out in the time it takes you to snap your fingers. Thousands of times over.

Put your noose away and join the world of the rational.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:57 PM
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32. The only LUNACY BEING IMPOSED is this nation wielding greater forces of destruction.
YOUR NATION holds the cards and YOUR GOVERNMENT is willing to hold the sword over humanity in order to get what it wants: domination.

HOW DARE YOU PRETEND SOME POSTER WANTING EQUILIBRIUM AGAINST THE DESTRUCTIVE FORCES OF YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN ANY WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR 'BRINGING ON' MASS DEATH.

What a crock of shit!!!!

Why don't you STFU about "nooses", too!!!

Asshole!!!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:45 AM
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35. I don't approve of this post, but I sure like it.
Passionate.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:50 AM
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36. If you actually think Russia and China are any better than the U.S
regarding human rights, you need to inform yourself. Ever hear of Chechnya? Tibet?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:16 PM
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17. #5 here. What a nightmare!
Who are these people? I don't know anybody who would ever do this. Disgraceful.

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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:20 PM
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21. A torture tactic straight out of the Bush regime's playbook! n/t
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:20 PM
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18. Most Americans don't really want to know....claiming ignorance of a crime is no excuse...
we as a nation should be more vocal in stopping our government from doing such but not enough of us do and so the beat goes on.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:49 PM
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20. Will Canada please come liberate the American people?
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siri2k Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:16 PM
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24. *Really!*
n/t
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:35 PM
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29. For real! Why would they bother?
n/t
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