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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:55 PM
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Freeper contends that Oil is an unlimited substance...
..snip

Oil is an infinite resource that is constantly being produced by heat and pressure on organic material of all types inside the Earth. That is probably why so many people in the Middle East believe in Mohammad. They keep pumping the oil out and it keeps refilling. Its a miracle, because they were told by “scientists”, its going to run out quickly!

..snip

:wow:

:rofl:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934124/posts

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:57 PM
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1. And there's an infinite amount of organic material DOWN there?
What an idiot.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:58 PM
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2. I have heard that theory on the radio
Same shows that say there is no global warming.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:59 PM
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3. And God put fossils in the ground just as a prank.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:14 PM
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46. I lived next door to people who really, truly believed that
I walked away stunned and a bit creeped out when they told me that if God had wanted us to know about dinosaurs, he would have told us about them.

This right after we discussed methods for sustaining sexual pleasure with our spouses....

I felt disoriented to say the least

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:42 AM
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63. I went to a church where the pastor believed that.
I'd never heard of such a thing before and it's very unusual for a Lutheran minister. He never talked about it from the pulpit or anything, but I found out when some other congregation members were talking about how funny it was that the pastor's youngest son had a dinosaur obsession. Karma.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:59 PM
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4. It's called abiogenic oil theory
and it is one theory of oil formation, but is largely discredited.
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cgibbon70 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:02 PM
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5. Moran Freeper
Apparently his brain cells aren't an unlimited resource
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:38 PM
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73. you aren't referring to me with that, right
just checking.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:14 PM
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19. Yep, I had several arguments with a former "DUer" that swore it was true.
I think it was "just visiting" though.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:21 PM
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23. Did they claim they could find it with a dowsing rod? n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:02 PM
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6. Organic material inside the earth?
Even if we accept the notion that organic material has somehow made it's way to the depths of the planet, and I don't see why we should-- then how could that material possibly be infinite?
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:09 AM
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61. uh... plate techtonics and subduction zones? n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:22 AM
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62. Leaving aside plate tectonics for a moment...
Even if we accept the notion that organic material has somehow made it's way to the depths of the planet

I grew up in western Pennsylvania, about 600 feet above the current sea level. Near my house, a stream has carved its way through several layers of rock. One of those layers is of limestone, and it contains many fossils from organisms that grew and lived on the ocean floor.

The highest point on Earth, Mt. Everest, is made from similar material - limestone. The earth's crust is not a static thing.

Back to my stream bed, though. One of the other layers the stream cuts through is a thin layer of coal. Coal is also the product of organic material. Interesting thing about coal - it takes a lot of pressure to turn that organic material into coal. I think the estimate for this particular bed of coal require something like a kilometer of rock to exist above the coal bed in order for this type of coal to be formed. But now it's right there, at the surface. So at some point, this organic material (plants) existed at the surface, was covered with more than a kilometer of sediment, which was afterwards eroded away. So where did a kilometer of sediment come from? If you look at central Pennsylvania on a topographical map, you'll see the Appalachian mountains. Most of them aren't much taller than a thousand or two thousand feet. They used to be as high as the himalayas.

The Earth is not static.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:43 AM
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66. Well, I was assuming the claim was that this material was in the core
or the mantle. I'm aware that things are moving about, though I admit I'm no geologist. Thanks for the info though.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:02 PM
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7. The European Cassini mission to Saturn supposedly found hydrocarbon lakes
on one of Saturn's moons, Titan. I don't know if those hydrocarbon lakes are made of liquid matter that is similar to Earth's petroleum. But it's interesting.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:12 PM
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16. No plant life, no petroleum
Crude oil is a very complex blend of hydrocarbons that only photosynthesis could produce.

There are plenty of naturally occuring hydrocabons.

You just couldn't run a car with them.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:22 PM
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24. We'll be Spreading Democracy there soon then. n/t
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:03 PM
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8. Well then that makes CO2 an unlimited reource as well.
Maybe that explains 800+ degree Fahrenheit Venus? Cause it sure isn't just the sun alone making it that hot. :eyes:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:04 PM
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9. Alright, who is the DUer
that snuck into freeperville?

To: Man50D

CO 2’s gonnna get us first.

7 posted on 12/03/2007 1:42:34 PM PST by Waco
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >

Fess up!!! :rofl:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:04 PM
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10. So much stupid. *sigh*
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:04 PM
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11. Oyl is an unlimi...unlimit....it's a substna...substan..
its this stuff and its black and the brown people got it in them their countryes and it never gonna run out cause god put it their for us peeple to use
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:08 PM
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12. How can you pack all that stupidity and Islamophobia into one short graph? .....
Freepers have got skillz, don't they?

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:10 PM
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13. Then why isn't Pennsylvania still producing oil?
And what about the Mexican field? And Half of Texas?

Why didn't those oil wells "refill" themelves??
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:49 AM
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70. Why does god hate the US? LOL nt
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:11 PM
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14. That belief dates back to the 19th century
It's not believed by many today due to the fact that there was never any evidence found to prove it was true.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:12 PM
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15. I think they castrated people like this in olden days...
for obvious purposes.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:14 PM
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17. Oh man, some of those people are going to come down so hard
They live in a fantasy world -- when reality intrudes, it's going to hurt something awful.

And "believe in Mohammed"? Say what? Ignorance abounds.
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:38 PM
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33. Fear not
They have a plan for when it all comes crashing down:

1. Blame liberals
2. Blame foreigners.
3. Repeat until everything gets better
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:01 PM
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42. Don't forget: 'Blame the Democrats'

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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:25 PM
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58. It's the Clenis again, isn't it!
:rofl:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:21 PM
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37. Ever noticed how all their fantasies conveniently center on the same theme:
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 06:23 PM by Marr
'let big business do whatever it wants'.

People don't contribute to global warming, it's just a natural cycle that will take care of itself.

Markets don't need to be regulated, they're divine systems that magically regulate themselves.

We don't need environmental laws, the environment will somehow be fine.

We don't need to look elsewhere for energy, oil will keep bubbling up infinitely.

I know they aren't all corporate executives. You'd think the rank and file would've picked up on this theme and realized they're being played by now.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:06 PM
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54. You'd think, wouldn't you? nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:53 AM
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71. I'm waiting for the knock on my door, oh, about 10 years from now...
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:53 AM by Javaman
oil is in the 400 buck range. You need to take out a small loan to fill up your car.

And a nutjob right wing knocks at my door looking for food. (I grow a lot of what I eat)

I will first say, "how hungry are you?"

Then I will ask, "first admit to me that you were colossally wrong, that all the bullshit that you spewed ten years ago was nothing but self serving smug bullshit"

Then I will feed them.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:14 PM
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18. Freeper stupidity is certainly an unlimited substance.
Maybe someone could figure out a way to harness it as an energy source.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:17 PM
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21. Haha! Brilliant! n/m
n/m
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:26 PM
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59. It's the gift that keeps giving!!!1!!
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:15 PM
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20. I think I know what it really meant
Just gotta change a coupla key words.



Stupid is an infinite resource that is constantly being produced by heat and pressure on organic material of all types inside my skull. That is probably why so many people in the West believe in the GOP. They keep pumping the stupid out and it keeps refilling. Its a miracle, because they were told by "liberals", its going to run out quickly!



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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:18 PM
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22. If oil is an infinite resource, why do we have to
invade other countries to get at it?
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:23 PM
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25. Get a brain, moran
All your infinite resource inside Earth organic material are belong to us!!111!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:24 PM
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26. Can you drill for stupid?
I think we've found a gusher here
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:26 PM
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28. No need - stupidity always breaks through to the surface
Usually making plenty of noise in the process.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:28 PM
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39. If I give you my FedEx acct., will you send my new keyboard & monitor?
Becaaue that just made me :spray:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:38 PM
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40. It's artesian, no drill needed. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:25 PM
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27. And Rex contends that Stupidity is in endless supply at The Other Place.
The place where people live in opposite realms as we live, here, at DU. Evilverse.
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:27 PM
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29. WTF is wrong with these people!?
Not only is the first part physically impossible (the infinite organic material part) the second part is just stupid.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:29 PM
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30. Science
It's really not as far-fetched as it might sound on the surface. There are some scientists who subscribe to the theory that oil is produced from ancient fossil materials deep beneath the earth (hence the name fossil fuel) and that it is being produced faster than humans are using it. They point to the fact that some wells actually have increased in production over the years and that we now know of far greater reserves in oil than we did years ago (thanks largely to better mapping techniques probably).

However, little is actually known about how oil is produced, its rate of production, etc. I would say the more consensus view is that oil is a finite source, but what do I know?



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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:55 PM
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57. Science, indeed.
It seems you skipped a few classes.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:46 AM
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64. Not saying I believe it
But it is a recognized scientific proposition. I'm just saying it's not automatically outlandish as some on here instinctively believe.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:29 PM
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31. That's a LOT of organic matter for a planet that's only 6,000 years old.
Wow.

It's a miracle.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:36 PM
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32. Yeah tell that to the fat Texas oil republicans whose wells are DRY!
And encouraging wars to get the "ragheads" oil before anyone else does and then it belongs to them, while using our military paid for with our taxes to keep those greedy republican fat boys rich.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:57 PM
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34. Freeper also contends the Earth is flat ...
Evolution is a myth...
George W. Bush is a patriot...
Larry Craig is straight...
Ann Coulter is sane...
Iraq had WMD...
Iran is pursuing nukes...
Rudy Giuliani was the hero of 9/11...
etc...etc...etc...

Bless their pointy little heads, they can't help it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:58 PM
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35. Funny, but that has to be a joke
nobody on the planet can be that entirely stupid and/or misinformed...
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:01 PM
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36. By definition, it cannot be unlimited.
Oil is made from matter at its base level, just like everything is. since there is a finite amount of matter available in the universe, only a finite amount of material can ever be converted into oil, there is a limit on the amount of oil that could exist.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:27 PM
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38. ah yes grasshopper...
Matter is finite - however stupidity knows no bounds.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:58 PM
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41. The subduction of organic matter and water would lead to the formation of petrochemicals...
But would the seep up to the places where oil already exists, or would it take totally new tectonic shifts to provide pathways to areas where they could be extracted? Thus far, I am not aware of any oil ever discovered that has been attributed to this process and not decomposition of buried organic matter. However, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, either.

Pyrolysis (creating artificial fuel) using heat, pressure, organic matter and either water or hydrogen gas is the scientific method for doing this and, at 85% efficiency, is far more doable than that of making corn ethanol which requires 1 unit of energy for every 1.3 units of energy created. It also makes far more sense than biodiesel from seed crops or ethanol from cellulose, neither of which is currently sustainable.

I am disappointed at the knee-jerk reaction to this post simply because it came from the Grand-Daddy of all freeper sites. Pyrolysis could be the one technology that saves our asses. God knows, most of us throw enough carbon-based material away every single day to fuel our cars and we'd bypass the whole methane leaking, toxic environment landfill cycle if we started making fuel out of our sewage, plastics, junk mail, dirty diapers and kitchen scraps.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:05 PM
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43. LOLOLOL!!!!!


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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:10 PM
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45. Flapjackrabbit!!
:rofl:

Holmes :D :hug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:36 PM
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51. Checkin' in for the Flat Earthers
:D :hi: :hug:


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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:10 PM
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44. it is an unlimited resource
but not for the reasons they support.....
Series, this is hugh.

Oil comes from the pores of rightwingers that never leave their parents basements.
This means that OIL comes from them.... and if stupidity is gold.....

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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:32 PM
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60. Yea! It comes from their hair that they never wash!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:15 PM
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47. infinite
No resource on Earth is infinite, because the Earth itself is finite. I guess they mean the process that forms oil is vastly faster than the processes we use to remove it from the ground. "Scientists" haven't found any evidence to support this. Which is why most no longer believe this to be true. If it were true than this freeper should be really mad because his President is really screwing him on the price of something that is infinite in supply and yet is sky rocketing in price. He's president has just brought his country to the brink of bankruptcy to fight a war for a commodity that is infinite in supply. OMG if he was really firm in his beliefs he'd be an anti-republicans...
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:24 PM
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48. All we have to do is make sure enough living things are dead
and in the next geological epoch, there will be plenty of oil.

Explains a lot about republican policies now doesn't it?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:25 PM
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49. apparently smarts are in short supply
over in freeperland.

no surprise there.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:33 PM
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50. If only we could power our cars on stupidity.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:48 PM
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52. After all, A lot of drivers already run on it... n/t
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:03 PM
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53. LOL, K&R - nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:09 PM
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55. What is he smoking and where might I obtain some of it?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:41 PM
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56. OK, so I think I get the Mohammed thing, but where does he think
the organic material inside the earth keeps coming from? Home Depot, the decaying bones of unsaved heathens, baby jeebus miracled it in there??:wtf: It's like they come up with an idea and never bother to follow it to it's logical conclusion.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:52 AM
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65. And money can be made out of thin air!
oh, wait. it can.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:45 AM
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67. My classic reply to this stupid ass theory...
If this is true, then why isn't the US drilling again in Titusville, PA?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:47 AM
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68. Hence, Prices Are Not Connected To Supply & Demand, Right?
Oops! If the supply is unlimited, then prices should never go up. But, these same subsimians trot out S&D every time there's a price spike.

How's that working out for you freeps, now?
The Professor
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:48 AM
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69. DUer contends that the Freerepubic is an unlimited source of bullshit. n/t
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:29 PM
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72. I'll agree that petroleum is constantly being produced
but NOWHERE near the rate that it is being pumped out and consumed. Of course, anything is a possibility in whatever universe that freeper is living in....
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:03 PM
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74. it's just love and charity that's finite, don'tcha know?
:silly:

listening to them is like listening to the scream of the abyss. not pleasant and eventually quite predictable and sad, thus the nature of hell.
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