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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:00 AM
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Does the president of the United States have the right to intentionally lie us into war?
We suspected it for Iraq, but we got him red-handed with Iran. The president of the United States and Dick Cheney intentionally floated false information to push for war, or suppressed information that would have revealed they were lying about Iran's nuclear capabilities.

Now, here's what I'm thinking:

(1) Is this acceptable behavior for a president and vice president? If not, why is the Congress in a coma over impeachment proceedings?

(2) Cheney, at least, must have known he would have been found out eventually. Is it now acceptable for managers to think they can mow over people (literally, mow over people) and just get off with an, "oopsy, mea culpa," when they get found out?

This is worse than Watergate, I know it can't be Christmas shopping stopping people from mulling over the ramifications of this latest information, because nobody has money to spend. So, why is there no outrage?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:02 AM
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1. He will have that right if we ALLOW him to have that right.
And as long as Matt and Meridith blather on about cheese and crackers for the Holidays, there will be no ramparts mounted.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:05 AM
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2. Obviously one of the major problems is the fact that we have no MSM in the US.....
With no MSM the average citizen that does not spend time online will have no clue what really is going on in the US.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:06 AM
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3. Absent impeachment, it would certainly seem so, wouldn't it? (NT)
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:06 AM
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4. Apparently he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.
Harry and Nancy are all talk and no action. We, as citizens, have no power. Now Shrub is trying to put lipstick on a pig so they have at least one nice exhibit at his Little Golden Book library.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:09 AM
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6. The right-wing had their machinery to make noise every time Clinton
did something wrong. What happened to our noise machine? We should have pundits and other guest speakers making this an issue on every show they're on.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:08 AM
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5. Well, the congress and the courts obviously think he has that right.
Because they aren't doing much to hold him accountable. Seems they also think he has the right to torture, do away with habeas corpus, lock away and imprison anyone he wants for life without trials, lie to congress, and give away our tax dollars to his minions without accounting for the money. It is like he is a king and we are all subject to his every whim.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:11 AM
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8. And taking all of this into consideration,
if we ever allow the Republicans to jump on a soap box and try take the moral high ground again, we would be dumber than ear wax.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:09 AM
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7. Apparently so. The acceptance precedent is being set.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:17 AM
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9. No
but don't expect anyone to hold him accountable.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:17 AM
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10. that's a good question for the candidates
of both parties,

Can't wait for the general election debates.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:19 AM
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11. It's a question that will be censored.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:37 AM
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13. Question them
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 08:44 AM by mac2
as to the right (really very wrong) to lie us into war and what they are going to do about Bush's obvious lies? He continues to lie for an attack on yet other innocent nations for Empire. If they don't impeach or punish it sets a evil and destructive path for our future as a democracy. They become part of the problem not the solution.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:14 AM
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16. What it implies is that we are living in a country with a shadow government,
and that shadow government is primarily composed of an anglo-American core, and that gives legitimacy to all these Republican policies which put minorities down, whether it's the Southern strategy, whether it's purging blacks from voter rolls, whether it's the war on drugs that unfairly targets minority areas. The message is, that only people who can be trusted to support the insane Anglo-centric foreign policy we've been experiencing in the last seven to fifteen years, are insane Anglo-centrics.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:27 AM
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12. Lie us into war by Presidents
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 08:45 AM by mac2
This is not the first President to lie us into war. There is no excuse to allow it any longer. We die and pay for it yet they keep doing it over and over. Impeachment for lying us into war is a start to demanding accountability.

The lies weren't only coming from the President but VP, Congress, cabinet members, and RW media. The drums for war were very strong when Bush stole power. He also set out to destroy our democracy, military, economy, and wealth. A Nuremberg trail is in order. If I as a citizen could see the attack on Iraq was wrong why couldn't the government?

The media and their "history propaganda experts regarding politics and war" feed the lie also. The military industrial complex is very corrupt and evil if allowed to be by us citizens. There should be no profiteering allowed during any "conflict or war".

Look how Halliburton has manipulated and stolen our wealth only to stash it in Cayman Island banks and run their business from a foreign country (Port of War Dubai). Our VP is allowed to profit big time from his old employer (who rewarded him well before he stole office). He now has enough wealth to give his old university $13 Million dollars. There should be an investigation of this wealth. He has become wealthy on the American tax payer.

Many thugs and liars in Congress (past and present) are given huge book deals (for boring books). So it is money laundering for votes to go to war, etc. They leave office with their bag of plunder refusing to hold other members accountable. Congress and our cabinet are like a big frat club of liars and robbers profiting off the people.

The only reason for war right now is for Empire (robbery, destruction of democracy around the world, and corporate profits by the elite few) forget the democracy and freedom lies. We've lost it at home so in a way they are at war with anyone who wants to stop them or disapproves.

There is a shocking book written on the subject of lying by Eight American Presidents over the years for Empire. It's called Lying for Empire-How to Commit War Crimes With a Straight Face by David Model.

Given the history of Presidents lying us into illegal wars, it's about time we should not trust their judgement or character.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:17 AM
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17. It's a shadow government, and as long as we let them operate in secrecy,
they will continue sucking in the right-wingers.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:49 AM
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14. Irrelevant. He has the ability, and we lacked the will to stop him. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:19 AM
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18. We don't lack the will, we just don't know how to mount a revolution
from behind our keyboards. If it's true that the pen is mightier than the sword, there is no better time than the present to find out.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:44 AM
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24. We lack the will to come out from behind our keyboards.
If everybody marched, the problem would be quickly resolved.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:10 AM
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15. There are no laws that pertain to the President. The President is
above the law. Hasn't everyone gotten that yet? When the Democratic "leadership" stated that they would/could not impeach the President, that meant that the President was above the law. Period. Why is this so hard for people to grok? No Democrat who is "elected" to the Presidency will change this new state of affairs. We have, now, what amounts to an elective dictatorship. I think that anyone who thinks about this for any amount of time can see how this will evolve and where it will eventually lead...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:20 AM
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20. It's like the president of the United States has more of a marriage contract
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 09:20 AM by The Backlash Cometh
with the American people, than a Constitutional one.

"Scandal and disease, Max. Scandal and disease."
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:19 AM
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19. Bush said in the 2000 debates he would do it....
yet a lot of Americans voted for him, as well as the 5 supreme court justices. So I guess it is okay.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:21 AM
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21. I think the right-wingers liked his tough talk, but I don't think they realized
that there would be casualties along the way.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:55 AM
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25. You can tell by their fiscal policies they live for the moment,
without regard for the future.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:40 AM
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22. No. He doesn't. Not unless he happens to be a bush...all of whom are delusional and for some
unexplained and not understood reason (to me, at least) they get away with every fricking crime they ever want to commit.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:43 AM
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23. Two words: shadow government
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