The Final Piece of the Bushies = Nazis Puzzle! From Harper's Magazine and the BBC!

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

First of all, I would like to welcome all the deniers and "conspiracy smearers", who will likely be drawn here to dump on this :tinfoilhat: assertion that I and probably 30% (if I had to guess) of DUers believe.

Second of all, I would like to bring up the relative stability and integrity of Harper's Magazine and the BBC. Not that both organizations are perfect or that they both get it right, but let's just say that I believe they might have older and more capable fact-checking organizations than, say, Fox or NewsMax.

Finally, here it is, some 70 years after FDR sealed the records "for the good of the country" (WHY have the Democrats always done that with Bushofascists? It is a dreadful mistake and every time they come back on us, it is worse), the proof we all have sought.

Well, as good a proof as we can hope for, given the near-absolute media blackout this information has been given, even now that it is pretty much irrefutably fleshed out.

What does it come down to? That it is pretty much a FACT that Prescott Bush was part of the "Smedley Butler" (God Bless that Old Patriot for delivering them to the authorities, if not justice) plotters, and that he was to work in the New Fascist Regime as liaison, if not Ambassador to Adolf Hitler's Germany from the Fascist States of America in 1935, had the coup succeeded.

What does that do to our own picture of current events, now knowing that same family, has somehow managed to have been close to most of the Great Crimes Against America in the 20th century, starting with this one?

What does it do to all the "coincidence theorists", even more laughable now, that Prescott Bush, prospective Ambassador of the Fascist States of America to Hitler's Germany in 1935, has grandchildren who appear for all intents and purposes to loathe the very foundations of America, it's System of Checks, Balances, Free Elections, Relatively Impartial Judiciary, Free Press and seem determined to destroy it all as rapidly as possible?

Just a coincidence, eh? Now WHO'S wearing the :tinfoilhat: ?!?

I would have thought that anyone who wanted that information could find it pretty clearly. I have.

In fact, contrary to popular belief, the junk science of Eugenics was exported from the US to Germany; Prescott Bush received a letter of appreciation from Hitler for his contributions. The Bush bunch are war criminals, nothing more and nothing less, and have been so for a very long time.

Anything is possible.

and probably some are professional agents.

We are now so deeply into the acceptance if this New Society (a "New World Order" if you will) the Bushies are building and the Surveillance State is undoubtedly moving as quickly as possible to come into being.

They've had seven years now. Just how much more comptuing power increases do they need before the technology exists to monitor everything everyone does on line, on credit, medical, basically everything we generate everytime we touch or plug into the Toatl Information Awareness System?

People used to say, "I'm not important enough for them to survail me," but technology has rendered that comment moot, anachronistic and irrelevant. No one has to sit down and squint at a computer screen all day to listen to every word of every phone call. Now the technology exists (probably has existed, but the logarithmic increases in computing power now make it possible and even probable) for a computer to literally "listen" to every phone conversation, using AI to report which conversation are "flagged" for human attention.

This is not sci-fi or even the tiniest strecth of the imagination.

The technology now exists or will soon exist.

So even if a real live Agent Mike isn't watching and posting every minute of the day, you can bet your ass DU is being data-mined every day, with things being flagged for human attention occasionally.

Further, it is an absolute certainty that Loyal Bushies are crawling all over this site. Hell, there are Bushie sites that sit all day and read our posts and post about us, far more (maybe I am wrong about this, I haven't deeply researched it) than we do about them.

Those types? That they are here is a statistical certainty.

So I agree with you on more than one level.

Google our friend tom_paine.



Now, that's just the public stuff that google shows. And we know google cooperates with the junta surveillance crappola

One would expect the NSA, DOD, and other initial groups that used to protect us but now threaten our nation, are a bit more sophisticated than the posters of all the RW sites who monitor DU and post about what goes on here.

Google our good lad Tom by his chosen screen name. Then google your own.

Keep the tin foil for signaling in the wilderness. There is no rational reason for letting naysayers tell us to wear it as hats. We have been correct all along.

My ol high school history teacher (and former OSS - as that agency morphed into CIA after WWII, when lots of Nazi VIPs were brought to the US and well cared for) teacher said:
If you learn nothing else, learn this: THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

Here's an interesting article I plucked from the 449,000 hits.


http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/IntelligenceKnew/promis.htm


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All that money tucked into budgets with no real explanation? Think of all the swell toys they could pay to develop!

666 http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Number/666/index.html

pnorman

Let's not walk down the ol' Reagan/Right-winger/Wing-nut meme about "The Government" and "Them."

The Government is composed of We The People, right? Let' take it back.

(Sorry to sound like a Thom Hartman puppet. He is very good at pointing out this particular meme).

I think that is what leads some people to reject stories like these despite all evidence.

I really think that there are good people who feel violated when they learn about things like this.
People who have strong consciences about government are not likely to want to believe what has been done on their behalf.

I think that our Government has done worse than we know. I pay taxes, vote, organize, rally, etc., for a Government of this country. Many times, I am sickened by what I find out. And I want to walk away in disgust.

However, it is not Government that is the problem. That is just the wing-nut theme.

The hard truth is what people within out Government have managed to do. The harder truth is that we are complicit. And, as long as we are not working directly against it, we are behaving immorally.

I was trying to point out that the general public is likely to reject the possibility that our government has participated in wrongdoing.

Many people would not consider the School of The Americas to be a reality. The fact that Sadaam was our guy and why South America has trust issues with us are willfully forgotten.

People do not like to believe that people who they have trusted have commited terrible acts. They certainly don't want to have their concept of history shattered.

"Hitler's advisor, Goeblles said "the bigger the lie is easier is to get people to believe." I can't remember if that is the exact wording. But the idea is that if you're going to tell it make it a whopper. Something they never thought you could make up and something they never would imagine you would lie about.

People turn their heads and believe lies because it is more comfortable.

Who can blame them?
They have other problems as they lose their houses and struggle with credit card debt. Hoping against all hope that they don't have a health care crisis.

much as we are supposed to be. Big Ben O. knew better and wanted us warned.

Former fighter pilot, etc. He taught Government, History and some foreign languages. Great guy and a great deal of fun.

However, he was not will to simply point fingers at the Government. Yeah he hinted at a great deal of crap done in our name by the Government of the U.S.A., especially during the Vietnam era. However, he always made it clear that it was our responsibility to do something about it.

Even though it is other people with other values and their own conceived actions. If we are supporting them (taxes, voting, using the roads/schools/police, etc.) then they are our responsibility.

As I said, it is tough row to hoe to recognize and admit what has been done in our names. It is a MUCH TOUGHER row to hoe if you decide to make a change and start (even figuring out how) to work on it.

I am sure that enough Americans knew about this attempted take over of this country by Bush and his cohorts. How come he ran for the Senate and WON. I have thought about this over and over.

It seems even back in the 40's and 50's republicans did not care it you were a treasonist or a crook as long as you were a republican and could get into office.

the government somehow... and he plowed that right into the election. I don't remember the particulars.

winds up in Bush campaigns. Never an impolite headline for the Bush dynasty. The worst, ironically was from the berserk NY POST, "Planes flew, Bush knew!" Nothing came from that. Not a whisper beyond the Big Apple.

What little I know about Prescott. During WWI as a young officer he teamed with other Repug officers to re-channel veteran wage into the productive conservatism of the American Legion. As other serpents of the era he was a fan of eugenics, the only science the Bush family ever loved outside profiteer economics. Along with financial serpents of RW dictatorship he helped finance Hitler all the way into the war and camps. Slap on wrist for that and he got the money anyway. And the Senate seat because the Dems had started their losing ways after losing their political nerve post-FDR. The coup d'etat attempt is light years beyond Prescott's fudging his war exploits.

Same result. Tumbling tumbleweeds and trumpets of triumph. And respect, above all respect for a multi-generational family of death dealing RW profiteers and liars. They should have lynched the guy in WWI who sold weapons to both sides. Now we have Carlyle and it is not only legal...

it is respectable.

hugh K & Rec!!!

The buyout deal was in the papers several months ago.

That Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove thing. Plus, don't forget the Democrats (one of our greatest derilections of duty) keep covering up their crimes "for the good and healing and unity of the country".

From FDR letting High Treason slide, and burying the truth so that the grandchildren of the Treasonists could have a spotless image in the public's mind, to Clinton doing the same with Iran-Contra and Iraqgate FOR THE IDENTICAL REASONS in 1993.

Talk about insanity being doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Jeeesh!

It all comes down to this, Free Men and Women, no matter whether they are tough or even a little crooked, simply cannot process evil, real mostly unadulterated evil when they face it. It just does not compute, plus evil Nazis and Bushies promoted their respective evils as The Greatest Good.

They cannot imagine what someone who tests highly on the Social Dominance Scale is capable of, nor what their Authoritarian Followers capable once they are put in "mental harness" by the High SDs.

(for more on this, click on my first signature link for a very edifying read)

...about the relationship to free people to evil. I really understood this only recently, when I watched movies which were made by the allies and documented the liberation of the concentration camps. The liberators just couldn't parse what they saw, and their reactions to the Nazis were disproportionately kind. There's one film where the commentator says something like "And Allied troops made them clean up their mess, every bit!" refering to making the guards us bulldozers to bury the bodies of their victims, as if this were suitable punishment...

I still don't know what to think about it. I think its a testament to our goodness at some level; when confronted with the fruits of evil, the liberators were loathe to in rage, become such abominations themselves. But at the same time it may be a very dangerous indulgence, as history has shown.

I'm not so sure if it was well known or not. I only say that because you'd think if it were more widely known then, it would be fairly widely known now, which it's not.

I'm not saying they didn't know, but it would not surprise me if most of the voters did not know about these things, or chose to not believe them, as is the case with many other things.

Personally, I am on the fence on a lot of the conspiracy theories, but not because I think they are impossible, but because I just don't know one way or the other. What bothers me though, is that so many Americans do not seem to truly understand just how common conspiracies are in business and politics, and not the really out there "bigfoot is an alien employed by the CIA" stuff, but the very prosaic power grabs that seem to be a part of human nature. For that matter, I am not sure most people even know what a conspiracy is.

What I am firmly convinced of, based on a fair amount of research, reading, and just understanding human nature, is that Bush's whole family is dirty and corrupt and probably involved in even more than we realize. I've tried to explain to right wing friends who accuse me of hating the Bushes, exactly why I don't like them. It's not because they are Republicans, although that is something I have trouble respecting, I do not automatically hate anyone based on party involvement, unless they are a part of some well-identified hate group (Nazis, KKK, Focus on the Family, etc.).

The Iran-Contra scandal is what got me interested in politics originally, and the more I dug into that, the more shocked I was. I try to remain skeptical about some things, but.... The reach of these people's power is kind of astounding, yet understandable in the context of greed (but not forgivable). Their actions, both historically and of late, have done nothing but increase my contempt and distrust of them. I don't hate the Bushes for who they are, but what they have done. And frankly, it is not partisanship - if a Democrat or other lefty were guilty of the same actions, I would not like them either.

Sorry. Rant over. :)

is what the smears are about.

That is part of the "Bush Hater" or "Bush Derrangement Syndrome" slur that Bushies use. It is to convince someone "on the fence" that nothing you or I say means anything, because we are nutjobs with a grudge.

If you haven't noticed, that is one effective slur, or as the Bushies no doubt call it, marketing tool.

It is designed to, with one swoop, eleiminate everything your opponent has said or every will, in the mind of a "disinterested oberver".

And I cannot help but notice that those I call Conspiracy Smearers, and I am not referring to the merely skeptical like yourself, but those who seem to enjoy stamping on any kind of "crazy mootbat" talk, usually by being very insulting, use identical techniques.

Anyway, great post and eloquently said, too.

My Father who graduated Wharton School in '34, was an adamant life long Democrat, aand Dem chair for our town. So much so, his brothers daughter & I were 1 year apart and very close. Her Mother's sister had a daughter our age, whose Father was the Rpug chair. We could never play together.Now that our Fathers are gone we can get tpogether, and she is a lovely person.
In a poster child for the 2 parties. My Father the DEm left his modest, estate split 4 ways, my Mother & me & my 2 siblings. HER Father left the estate to the son, and the 2 daughters & the other got nothing!
My parents voted for Adalai Stevenson....... what would the country look like today if he had won?

they might not have recognized the true threat re Germany/Hitler ---

They say, Dulles and Prescott then "wrapped themselves in the flag" and dedicated themselves
-- Dulles, of course, to intelligence --- and Prescott to Congress . . . but I've also read
something that suggested he may have also been involved in intelligence????
Via Congress---???

But I do understand your wondering about this -- same with the McCarthy Era ---
there was leadership against him --- Hollywood notables --- but seemingly the
American public couldn't get it or didn't get it ---

That was also overlapped with fears of the BOMB and the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg --
I think most Americans at that point coulnd't cut thru that much propaganda ---

On the other hand, I had an aunt who -- I think rightly --- mistrusted Truman in his moving to the right --- and thought the Rosenberg thing a farce.

I don't know that the "free press" was educating the public -- or in what direction?

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and the attempted recruitment of retired Marine General Smedley Butler to lead a coup. Congress hold's hearing and affirms that Butler's charges are true but redacts the names of the very wealthy people who fomented this plot. I rarely find people who have any knowledge of this. Not surprising though. There was a 3 volume history done on Congressional hearings but this particular hearing was left out. Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Prescott Bush, that old monster, was not just involved in said coup, but was slated by his co-conspirators to "have a liason" with Adolf Hitler's Germany considering his warm relations with Thyssen and his Union Bank's assistance in laundering Nazi Blood Money.

Now THAT is a whole 'nother part of the Bushies = Nazis that "coindcidence theorists" usually try shouting down with a well placed "you crazy moonbat"-type shout.

And again I am forced to say, of a Real American Hero that no Schoolchild learns about...but SHOULD!...God Bless that Old Patriot General Smedley Butler.

Without him our world would already be plunged into the fullest totalitarian darkness.

I mean, it's still coming, but thanks to Gen. Butler we got another 70 years of freedom before Bush's grandchildren revived Grandpa's Dream.

"Occultism is a republicon tradition. Smirk, smirk, smirk."

- Commander AWOL Bush

(and btw, the "war is a racket" avatar here is from the cover of the original book)

talks about this situation too. Here's a tv version of the story, which includes Jules Archer, the author of The Plot to Seize the White House. That book was out of print but has been re-issued in the last few years.

It Can't Happen Here, by Sinclair Lewis, was also out of print and is now back. I hope I had something to do with that b/c I told the sales rep for the co. that had the rights to the book that I knew a lot of people who would buy it if it was available and about 8 months later it was back in print as in inexpensive mass mkt pb.

imo, 2000 was a successful attempt at the same action. oh, and MacArthur, later General who was recalled b/c he insisted on invading when the demo prez said no, was the military brass that went into Hooverville to break up the tent city of the Bonus Army that Butler also supported. His best idea was that everyone should be paid the same price as a soldier in time of war and no one should be able to make a profit off of one. I wonder who would want to go to war then?

It is OLD, from the 30s, and has that cool, musty old/ancient book smell.

It's a time traveller, from the days when Loyal Americans beat back Loyal Bushies, not the other way around.

I have a couple of hardbacks of that book too. also have a photocopy of Archer's book before it came back into print.

Paper in the middle part of the previous century is really crappy because of the depression and then the war. People saved money on books by printing them on cheap, acidic paper. btw, that's also when paperbacks became a big deal... pocket paperbacks to send to soldiers... and they really were pocket sized. I have some of those too... someone gave them to me in lieu of some money for work I did for them.

have you ever felt and smelled vellum paper from old books? I love the smell because I think I'm breathing in part of the past. Or maybe it's just mold...

If it's in my 1934 copy of "It Can't Happen Here", then I've smelled it.

Here ya go

vellum isn't an everyday topic of conversation for most people, so don't worry... it relates to my work, so that's how I know about it. Vellum (animal skins, not really "paper" - or leather paper?) was also used for book covers too. On old books you can still see the bumps where fur was attached. so vellum smells like dried animal skins that were processed with urine to keep them soft for handprinting. doesn't that sound like a great smell?

actually, it doesn't smell like that. it smells like pipe tobacco and wood. maybe from where a book has been. books weren't made with vellum very much after the 1700s. You should check to see if you have a local library that has rare books. You can go to a reading room, request a book printed on vellum and then discreetly see if you can smell that smell. If you're not sort of discreet they may kick you out, thinking you're some book perv or something. :)

Thanks for the info.

Copyright 1935, yellowed pages with that musty smell. Got in a local used bookstore. I just re-read it for the umpteenth time. Wish someone would make a movie.

translucent high quality paper, i.e., made from plant fiber. Vellum is a processed animal skin that is pliable, akin to parchment. True vellum is used still for printing at Westminster. The term "vellum paper" is also used to describe any high quality paper, i.e., 100% fiber, such as mulberry or linen or cotton.
One might find a book bound in true vellum, but outside of Parliament, or a very old pre-print MS, I doubt many have seen it. I have, and parchment, and vellum does look like tobacco leaf in many ways when used as a binding. It ought not smell in and of itself, but will pick up any smells exposed to.
Parchment, another animal skin used pre-printing is snow white after processing and handles exactly like paper. It is still snow white after a thousand years of age, if preserved.
Vellum costs too much for everyday use, plus the production is limited as the skills have been lost to a large degree, as have the skills for the production of it save for a few handicrafters and producers of scroll rolls for Torahs.
Book arts terms are pretty weird: Morocco is dyed goat skin, for example.
I knew those 3 semesters of book arts would come in handy some day! If anyone wants handmade paper, PM me and send me linen rags or cotton ones.

of the United States and replace it with a fascist type government. This is no longer just a matter of opinion.

This fact is self-evident. The results of almost every action taken by the Bu*h administration, supported almost unanimously by republican legislators in Congress, can only lead us to conclude that there is a deliberate conspiracy to:

End democratic government in the US.

Cause economic, civil, and physical harm to the people of the US.

Irrevocably remove control of the US government of the United States from the people of the United States and place it in the hands of an economically elite globalist group.

Here is one of many examples of the "Bu*hie's" deliberate attempts to destroy our country:

National Debt Grows $1 Million a Minute
By TOM RAUM | Associated Press Writer
4:37 PM CST, December 3, 2007

WASHINGTON - Like a ticking time bomb, the national debt is an explosion waiting to happen. It's expanding by about $1.4 billion a day -- or nearly $1 million a minute.
snip---
Even if you've escaped the recent housing and credit crunches and are coping with rising fuel prices, you may still be headed for economic misery, along with the rest of the country. That's because the government is fast straining resources needed to meet interest payments on the national debt, which stands at a mind-numbing $9.13 trillion.
snip---
But the interest payments keep compounding, and could in time squeeze out most other government spending -- leading to sharply higher taxes or a cut in basic services like Social Security and other government benefit programs. Or all of the above.
snip---
The national debt -- the total accumulation of annual budget deficits -- is up from $5.7 trillion when President Bush took office in January 2001 and it will top $10 trillion sometime right before or right after he leaves in January 2009.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-nation-in-debt,1,7923393.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

It is clear that Bu*h is a fascist traitor who, like his grandfather, has taken deliberate actions to dissolve our democratic Constitutional Republic and harm the people of the US. After Democrats take over the WH and seat significant majorities in both Houses of Congress in 2009, Bu*h and his cohorts must be investigated.

A sincere investigation can only lead to the arrest and conviction of these traitors if the letter of the law is followed.

Once it has been established beyond reasonable doubt that these traitors conspired to destroy our country, the President and Congress can declare moot any or every federal appointment made during the Bu*h administration, because these appointees are a clear and present danger, and an imminent threat, to our national security.

And this includes any members of the Supreme Court that were appointed by Bu*h.

But they do not. That is also self-evident, I'm afraid.

And whether they fear anthrax envelope or a small plane crash; whether Total Information awareness now gives the Bushies a full account of every minor infraction they have ever done in their lives and are threatened if they push too far...none of it matters anymore.

Because things are now so far along all that matters is their silence and lack of true resistance or interfernece with Bushie Plans, like the German Social Democrats of 1930-34 didn't really interfere with Nazi Plans.

May God help all of us, because it sure doesn't look like we are going to help ourselves anytime soon.

“My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”

and everybody thinks I'm overreacting. I am DEAD SERIOUS. He is trying to destroy our government and replace it with the fascist version his grandpa loved so dearly.

incidents that have no impact on anything happening today.

Anyone who has studied those matters can see the pattern of their agenda pursued quietly since WW2 - global fascism. And the fostering and funding of global terror networks has been a key stepping stone for them.

I even had a 23%er on a local board try to tell me that Iran-Contra was the Democrats fault because they held Congress at the time.

I patiently explained to him how the Democratic Congress not only withheld funding for the Contras, but also ended up leading the investigation into Bush's/the CIA's crimes: selling arms to terrorists in Iran to fund arms and drug deals with anti-democracy terrorists in Central America. I then explained to him how not only did we arm future enemies in Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq when it was convenient for us to do so, but that much of what was happening today is the direct result of America subverting democracy in the Middle East and Latin America in the name of anti-communism.

His response of course was to ignore me.

It amazes me how much they are able to shut out of their awareness. If something doesn't fit their worldview, it doesn't exist or is a lie. I mean, these are all well-documented things, yet they act as if I am speaking some foreign language when I mention them, and come back with either an insult or fall back on propaganda such as "they attacked us for our freedoms®!!1!"

Which brings me to another point: they will tell me that I am only repeating what George Soros/Al Franken/Whomever says, that I am just parroting propaganda when I generally make it a point to seek out as many primary sources of my information as I can. I find Franken to be entertaining, but I don't necessarily see it as Gospel even though so far he's been very accurate. It's yet again more projection as they will repeat Rush Limbaugh almost verbatim and not even look for a source, much less fact check. I've tried to explain that the most successful propaganda is that which is not obviously propaganda, but they just don't get it.

I've noticed that liars and crooks tend to think everyone else is a liar and crook, so I guess it's not really surprising anymore, just sad.

There is a man, Professor Bob Altemeyer, who's book I have linked to in my first signature link, which compiles 20+ years of research into Authoritarian Leaders and Followers, and summarizes in a way that laypersons can understand.

John Dean in his book "Conservatives Without Consciences" first brought Dr. Altemyer to my attention.

If you wish to have more understanding of why the things you mentioned actually make perfect sense, please read the e-book I have linked to below.

It is no mystery, actually. It is part and parcel of the human condition, and what Dr. Altemeyer writes about is, ultimately, what the old United States of America was founded to make sure never happened (the Lethal Union, that is) because it would be Checked and Balanced before it could seize unchallengable, ruthless, lawless power.

Check the book out. I don't think you'll regret it and it will help you understand the answers to the questions you raised in your post, I think.

of 20 specifics that needed further scrutiny in Dec1992.

They begin to understand it when they realize that they can also blame Clinton for deep-sixing these matters throughout the 90s to protect Poppy Bush secrecy and privilege.

I am grateful that Naomi Wolf addresses this point so Democrats can better understand HOW BushInc has gotten away with their agenda for so long.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg

Originally appeared as a response to a post on Friday about the BBC article. I wish I could find that string. Anyway, I was the one who connected the Harper's piece, and did some tracing down of the history of how the story has been suppressed for 7 decades.

Thanks for posting the story. :hi:

:hi:

This is a story which has been known for decades, actually. A book, no longer in print not by any major publishing house from 1973, is still around.

"The Plot to Seize the White House" it was called, I think.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22The+Plot+to+Seize+the+White+House%22

So there's a book you might want to read, if you can buy a copy, which is still possible.

The point is to find sources credible enough that people will finally have to believe it, no matter how much their denial is shrieking at them.

This is all about breaking walls of denial before it's too late.

I was just chatting with my friend, once a devout Republic but a true moderate who is now a Democratic voter, but his denial has lead him to a "no discussion of politics" stance.

I tried to tell him: You can ignore Bushies-Nazis, and pretend they aren't there, but they are not going to leave ANYONE alone, in the end. If nothing else the consequences they are raining down on us, while they watch DVDs protected in their well-stocked bunkers, won't leave you alone.

La la la la la...I can't heeeeearrrrrr you was the rhetorical reply.

And this man is no dummy. On the contrary is some ways he is more centrist and actually balanced than anyone I have met. In spite of his denials, when he saw how badly the Republic Party strayed, he started voting for Democratic candidates. A True Patriotic Decent American, someone who should be on our side and helping to secure his childrn's future liberty and safety.

But he isn't. Multiply that by a hundred million or so, add in the Coincidence Theorsts and the merely Apathetic, and the recipe is not for a bright outlook.

But still there is always hope. And I would never advocate giving up to anyone, even if the situation looks hopeless.

Who would have thought in late 2001 that Bush's approval ratings would fall from around 90 percent to below those of Richard Nixon's during the Watergate hearings today? Recent polls have shown that something like two-thirds of the American people believe the Administration hasn't been telling the full truth about what happened on 9/11.

With credibility problems like these, I think even the Rock-bottom Republicans are ready to accept well-supported historical evidence that Bush's grandfather was Hitler's American banker, a conspirator against FDR, and a traitor to his country. It does open the disturbing question, why was Prescott so generously rewarded for it after World War Two by John Foster Dulles and the leadership of the Republican Party, who handed him a vacated Senate seat in Connecticut? Why was George H.W. Bush, an otherwise obscure former one-term Congressman, appointed Chairman of the RNC, Ambassador to China and then Director of the CIA?

Prescott Bush did something truly big to start that kind of legacy, and the GOP is truly corrupt to have rewarded him for it.

They just let things cool off a bit, laid low and changed uniforms.

which, as this link notes is not a conspiracy, but has been verified by journalists and scholars (just as Prescott's relationship with Thyssens has been).

Rudolf Gehlen came here and make up scare stories about the Russians so that he would remain useful. I wonder if McCarthyism was a direct result of Gehlen's lies. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney continued to talk the Gehlen line and totally missed that the USSR was bankrupt. The second part of The Power of Nightmares (available via google video) is good b/c it uses televised speeches from these people to prove they totally misread the world situation ...they have an established poor track record. They also opposed Reagan's talks with Gorbachev. So why in the hell are they allowed near the Pentagon?

the American Nazis plenty of time to plan and organize, too.

Can you explain what you're talking about?

Caught part of a History Channel episode last year. :D

Didn't know about the Nazi's. I wonder why Prescott Bush wasn't in an internment camp. :shrug:

rounded up and interned. The only Germans who were interned during World War II were the out-and-out Nazis.

Japanese immigrants and their American-born children were interned simply on the basis of ethnicity.

n/t

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I wonder how Cheney and KKKRove fit into this fascist plot (and the rest of this regime)? Do they also have Nazi backgrounds? I know KKKRove is mentally deranged because his father left him and his mother when he was small, but how does Cheney's background play here? Does he have any Nazi connections?

The Nazi Party was full of them.

I wish more Americans knew what time it was.
BHN

The fact is, even if it isn't Bushies or Bushfriends who do the attacking, the Bushies and Bushfriends will use it as a "shock doctrine" excuse to further America's transformation into a totalitarian-Bushie-Nazi State.

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who actually supported these criminals in 3 separate "elections"?

THIS has been going on for more than 40 years ---

Computer voting came in in the mid-1960's or a bit later --
Jim & Ken Collier were journalists who began to become aware of the
fraudulent results --- and they tracked it all for 25 years ---


The wrote a book -- VOTESCAM --- which was suppressed ---
you can scan it or read it at the website ---

but still, people "voted" for the scum, put scumWad stickers on their cars, called any opposition "traitors" and "terrorists." Half this country (if not more) are so gullible I don't know how they get through the day without coming home naked and broke.

HAHA!!! I am going to have to borrow that line, if you don't mind.

robotically repeat it --- for decades!!!

And, the public which might be eductated on the subjects has been abandoned by the "free press"
which is forced to bow to the powers that be in government ---

And, corporations, of course, are also in there buying government and owning media ---

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It's an old black and white film. Supposedly the Bush family name was mentioned and due to the subject matter of the movie itself, it was blacklisted and still is today. I'm looking for a copy as soon as I can so I can confirm this for myself. Anyone else know?

Thank you Harpers and Tom_Paine! :hi:

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that puts the historic touch to these recent ones about Nazis and their American cousins aka BFEE...

"The Bosch 'Invasion'" (Time 5-6-1929)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,732320-1,00.html

I don't see the Bushies mentioned, specifically, though.

Thanks, Bob!

http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com/P.Bush-Union_Banking/P.Bush-Union_Banking.html
Prescott Bush,
the Union Banking Corporation
and The Story


SNIP

In the History Of The Class Of 1917 Yale College, Volume V Twenty-Fifth Record printed in 1942, Prescott proudly proclaims his directorship of the Union Banking Corporation, listing it third behind CBS and The Dresser Manufacturing Company and ahead of six other substantial companies. He had been on the bank’s board since 1934, his father-in-law was a founder and had been the bank’s president. It really wasn’t a bank per sÄ, but acted has a holding company for Thyssen, the German Steel Trust and its related components in their dealings with American industrial and financial markets. It allowed the Thyssen interests to raise money, sell and buy goods in America and then use Union Banking Corporation as their reciprocal bank to transfer monies back and forth.

And the theme of poor ol’ diligent, nave Prescott and partners being flummoxed by Charles Lindbergh into such a position of “embarrassment” is unfounded blame-shifting. The statements by Mr. Herskowitz of “o one actually knew for what purpose the fortune had been meant to serve, or who controlled it” and ”that the account opened in late 1930’s” are incorrect and disingenuous at best. The bank had working relations with the Thyssen interests since the 1920’s and Prescott would have had access to information concerning business. Prescott had been a director of the bank since the early 1930s and he was “running the business” at Brown Brothers Harriman at the time of the scandal. In Prescott’s own words, from the Columbia University oral history: “ the partners, like myself and Knight Wooley, who became certainly after Lovett went to Washington in 1940 from then on, we were really running the business, the day to day business, all the administrative decisions and the executive decisions. We were the ones that did it.”

The Union Banking Corporation was capitalized at $400,000 (most of the stock held by Roland Harriman) and acted as a repository for Thyssen’s funds earned in the United States. Tarpley and Chaitkin have written that government investigators reported “the Union Banking Corporation has since its inception <1924> handled funds chiefly supplied to it through the Dutch bank for Thyssen interests for American investment.” Averell Harriman had been in Berlin in 1922 establishing a “Berlin Branch of W. A. Harriman & Co. under George Walker’s presidency” at which time he “became acquainted with Fritz Thyssen.”

In the 1941 articles it was reported that Union Baking Corporation’s three million in funds had been frozen in May of 1940 and that the three million dollars, came from “organizations did a thriving business rolling-up dollars.” There were four and a half billion dollars in “foreign assets frozen by the US Government since Adolf Hitler’s armies began overrunning Europe” in US banks. Dutch, Belgian, Norwegian and French assets were frozen in 1940 after the Nazis occupied those countries. German assets were frozen June 14, 1941.

President Roosevelt ordered Axis funds in the United States frozen. In view of the unlimited national emergency declared by the President, The Executive Order is designed, among other things, to prevent the use of the financial facilities of the United States in ways harmful to national defense and other American interests, to prevent the liquidation in the United States of assets looted by duress or conquest, and to curb subversive activities in the United States. Bulletin, p. 718. See also Vol. 6, Federal Register, p. 2897 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/4106int.htm)

So had an intrepid reporter, tracking down leads about frozen assets uncovered the story? Or was it some sort of controlled leakage? Over a third of the article consists of the letters to and from the Superintendent of Banks of the State of New York which give some “patriotic” cover for the Brown Brothers Harriman partners. The article also sets out doctored facts, some in the bold subheads, such as “Enlisted Harriman in 1925, that is even contradicted in the newsstory. The theme of the Herald-Tribune article is a “chance” meeting, that it may be or not be that bad or duped Thyssen’s fault, that no compensation was received and how above-board and approved the whole affair is from the governments view. The use of controlled scandal to deflect and cover-up deeper scandal has been used many times in US political life and it sometimes even gets a reporter off an editor’s back. The story runs and is forgotten.

No matter what the reason, the reportage was quietly stifled. With Luce’s Time-Life combine, Harriman’s position at Newsweek and other Bones influenced media such as CBS, the New York Times and others, the scandal was effectively killed as an item of news.

There was no coverage of the Herald-Tribune article’s information on the Thyssen/Union Banking Corporation connection in the national news weeklies, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal or even the New York Daily Worker. The afternoon daily, Hearst-owned Journal-American’s article was basically a condensed re-hash of the earlier Herald Tribune articles.

The next known mention of the Union Banking Corporation in the news was the cryptic one sentence in the December 16, 1944 New York Times* financial pages saying that:

The Union Banking Corporation, 39 Broadway, New York, has received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway.

The real story continued to be suppressed. No reportage that the corporation was taken over by the US Government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in the fall of 1942, nor that the address to where Union Banking Corporation was moved was the Office of the Alien Property Custodian.

Maybe that power to suppress, to fabricate, to deny everything and to explain nothing was why Prescott was so blasÄ and felt no need to hide from his peers his directorship in a company that had already been reported by the New York press to be holding $3 million dollars in Nazi funds, prior to him putting the “bite” on classmates as the National Chairman in Charge of the 1942 Fund Drive for the USO.

The next mention of Thyssen in the news were reviews in newspapers, and in magazines, such as Time, Newsweek and Nation, for the book, I Paid for Hitler, by Fritz Thyssen. In Bonesman Henry Luce’s Time magazine October 13, 1941 it was reported that a co-writer, Emery Reeves a journalist, who in April of 1940 met with Thyssen in Paris and persuaded Thyssen to go to Monte Carlo with Reeves, “a collaborator and a secretary.” Where Thyssen would “dictate three solid hours every day, then revised and approved the copy.”

In late May 1940. Reeves went “to Paris to check some names and dates.” As the Germans were also on their way to Paris. Reeves left France for Britain on a British destroyer. “He never saw or heard from Thyssen again. After more than a year, it seemed obvious that Thyssen was a captive; for if he were free, he would have communicated with his family in South America. Alive or dead, he was Reeves decided, beyond the power of the book to hurt or help. So Reeves decided to publish.”

The book has Thyssen pounding his head and muttering “‘Ein Dummkopf war ich!’ (What a dumbhead I was’)” and reports about Thyssen’s financial assistance to Hitler prior to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923. The Thyssen role in financing Hitler is covered extensively in other chapters, so we will not recount that history here. A new revelation in the book was the novel conspiracy theory that Adolph Hitler was the illegitimate son of Baron Rothschild. I Paid for Hitler was published in New York, by Farrar & Rinehart. Chairman of the Board of Farrar & Rinehart was John Chipman Farrar a member of the 1918 cell of the Order of Skull & Bones. The class that had been tapped by Prescott’s Bones cell. The 1918 Bones cell included US Congressman Malcolm Baldridge, CIA personnel Director F. Trubee Davison, mega-businessman Artemus Gates and the then, in 1941, Asst. Secretary of War and Brown Brothers Harriman partner Robert A Lovett. They had all been part of the famous Palm Beach, Florida, Yale WW I flying unit.

John C Farrar during WW II was a member of the Psychological Warfare Branch in the Office of War Information and was an editor for some of the OWI propaganda publications.

SNIP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x199853

leveymg and a whole bunch more of DU's finest have been at the party for a while, too.

:hi:

Prescott and a number of other Republicans got together to find a candidate to do their dirty
work and to push him to the presidency --- they advertised ---

Richard Nixon was their man ---
However, Nixon wouldn't only work for a congressional salary --- he demanded and got a SLUSH
FUND.

And, they got him into the White House ---
and presumably he also played ball with them on the JFK assassination ---
BOP operation planning ---
and all the cover-ups --

He may have been trying to keep the TRAMP photo covered up -- Larry O'Donnel may have had the
photos --- when they broke into the Watergate and DNC headquarters???

Here is Prescott with Ike



Naomi Wolf: America’s Fascist Coup Owes Legacy To Bush’s Nazi Grandfather

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/naomi-wolf-americas-fascist-coup-owes-legacy-to-bushs-nazi-grandfather/

Thanks for that post. As suspected, the corporations ae behind that
power broker Bush as always. Doing the work of the globalists then.
As bad as Bush, Gulianni, Romney or whoever is, a Ron Paul is worse.
The aformentioned may be wholly owned by corporate lobbyists, but,
a Ron Paul administration would fight to cut every check and balance
the underprotecting govt. has weakly enforced but in place to keep
those powerful corporate interests from taking more power and our
lives in the process. The neo-cons put holes in the boat and the
Libertarians propose flipping it over as 'fixing it'. Swim for your
damned selves, those of us with our own boats are a-ok.
That would include the windfall receiving corporations, a
right hands of the globalist illuminati his type claim to
be against. It's so obvious, Libertarians, just give it
up. The real 'truthers' need to see through your shit.

That last bit sound horribly familiar.

Thanks!

Bush family = occult cabalists.

Why do the so-called Christian evangelicals so adore these Darkside occultists & totalitarian war mongers?

That Prescott & Co. funded the Nazi party.

by a general with "pacifist and populist axes to grind":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/business_plot

Of course, the respected historians are still respected
despite endorsing pro-Kissinger and pro-Cheney "realist"
doctrines calling for US covert intervention in colonial
resource wars to maintain domestic standard of living.

Wikipedia is an editable resource,
perhaps you guys should correct them -- or challenge them.

Perhaps ask why Butler is considered an impeachable witness
and the media talking heads who deny the plot -- Schlesinger
et al -- are not.

Perhaps ask them to bear some mention of Anti-Semitism
and Pro-Nazi Sentiment in the US Government during the
Roosevelt Administration.

20% of Americans wanted to enter the war on the Nazi side.

Leaders of the Republican and conservative Democrat parties
(anti-Semites) denounced Roosevelt's efforts to end the
Holocaust as part of a "Jewish plan to punish Germany."

They lobbied on behalf of German industries while the war
was going on.

Cite: Michael Beschloss, "The Conquerors"

The Congressioanl Committee corroborated Butler's testimony.

the same shit that happens today with the Bushies, happened then with the Bushies. The media ignored it, and it went away.

the Senate killed the committee in spite of the conclusions by the Hosue committee.

No major media would touch it (this was prior to the post WWII Golden Age of American Media), just like today.

Down the Memory Hole it went.

We have already found the Bushies are re-editing Wikipedia. They have already been caught, and thus have found new ways to do it without being caught...Bushies like Nazis NEVER stop, they are zealots.

In the usual Bushmerikan style of the "lie of plausible deniability" all of the truth remains, but so much self-serving ink has been squid-squirted on the page that it is designed to degenrate into a he said/she said/I don't know who is right.

Oh, and naturally Butler's ulterior motives (don't you know EVERYONE who opposes the Bushies has ulterior underhanded motives...EVERYONE...because of this EVERYONE who opposes the Bushies is automatically untrustworthy, while EVERY BUSHIE HAS MOTIVES WHICH ARE NOBLE AND PURE) are repeatedly called into question.

A common Bushie PsyOp. "The world is allegedly round. However, respected geopgraphicists from history disputed it during Columbus' time and thus it is merely ALLEGED that the world is round. By the way, theroyalcommitteeonastronomyverifiedthatColumbuswasrightindisputably."

Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source and never will be. I usually try and avoid it. There will, statitstically, always be a certain nukber of entries at any given time which have been erroneously or propagandistically edited that heven't been caught yet, many Bushistically revised (like this entry).

Funny thing is, it's probably all "true lies". Those Bushie Apologistss, spinning their deceit and lies all those years ago brought back to life as "respected historians", their Bushie media allies killing the story "for the good of the country". The Democrats going along "for the good of the country".

Like I've said from the get-go..."The Nazis Are Here!" Hell, they never did go anywhere. They've been here all along.

Hitler and Junior, didn't just happen along, they had backers, financiers and PR men to create false images. Hitler had PR guru, "Poison Ivy" Ledbetter Lee, on loan from Prescott Bush and Junior had "Poison Karl" Rove.

Important info ... people need to de-program and realize it can and is happening here.

Thanks..:thumbsup:

My only regret is that I did not see this thread in time to add to the recs...

I hope everyone listens to it and passes it on.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It never matters how much proof we have, all they have to do is call us conspiracy theorists and everyone shuts their brains down for the night. There are times I think the Western world is doomed and then I think a bit longer and realise that so much of our society is so mentally lazy, we DESERVE to be doomed.


(Sorry if that's harsh, my grand-uncle died earlier today and I'm slightly drunk)

didn't he have something to say about this??

K&R!

One of our Greatest American Heroes and nobody knows his name.

Oh, they teach about him in the USMC (I had some Marine buddies and they were the only other human being I ever mentioned this to who knew the name, of course, they did not know of this episode, his greatest patriotic act of his life), but not what he did in 1934.

Pity. A tragedy, really.

"Escape to Wisconsin-like Nazis, neocons, organized crime and black ops did" (started 7-27-2007)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683

obviously are owned by the bigger players. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush!?! So you say Hillary is our great white hope do ya???!

I wonder if that is the most we can realistically expect, though I will always hold out hope that I am wrong.

We will know within a decade, maybe sooner, perhaps as much as twenty years, though that seems unreasonably optimistic considering the environment, debt, and economy.