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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:52 PM
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Right wing leader said they must be willing to be obnoxious.
When the Republicans determined to have their permanent majority, they decided being nice was not going to work. They became ruthless.

To combat their tactics, still going on today...our Democrats will have to be tough and dare to be almost ruthless as well. The soft kind of talk we are hearing from them is not going to get the job done.

Several years ago Eric Heubeck set forth a new program which was posted at Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation. It was called:

A Program for the New Traditionalist Movement

It is still posted at Yurica Report, but the other archives seem to be missing it. If you read what Heubeck and Weyrich wrote about their new plans... you see ruthlessness.

Our movement must be highly provocative. The thing we have most to fear is that we will be ignored.

Cultural conservatives must understand the predicament we are in. We must be willing to take measures that perhaps we would be unwilling to take under different, more ideal circumstances. We will have standards--we will never try to justify dishonesty, destruction of the personal reputation of our opponents, cheating, assault, etc., in the service of victory for our movement. However, we will not consider ourselves above appearing "unseemly" or surrendering some our personal dignity. We must be willing to shake people out of their complacency--which means being obnoxious if the situation requires it--because given the fact that the dominant leftist culture is safely ensconced, complacency only serves the interests of our opponents.

It is not enough to say that conservative philosophy is more sensible than that of the Left. If we leave it at that, we will only attract "sensible" people to our movement. But "sensible" people do not go to the barricades, they do not make great sacrifices for a movement. And the experience of the conservative movement has shown this to be the case. We need more people with fire in the belly, and we need a message that attracts those kinds of people. As Plato said, "madness comes from God, whereas sober sense is merely human."


But that was just the beginning of the fearless tactics they would use. More from Heubeck:

We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left. We will not give them a moment's rest. We will endeavor to prove that the Left does not deserve to hold sway over the heart and mind of a single American. We will offer constant reminders that there is an alternative, there is a better way. When people have had enough of the sickness and decay of today's American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously.

We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime. We will take advantage of every available opportunity to spread the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the existing state of affairs. For example, we could have every member of the movement put a bumper sticker on his car that says something to the effect of "Public Education is Rotten; Homeschool Your Kids." This will change nobody's mind immediately; no one will choose to stop sending his children to public schools immediately after seeing such a bumper sticker; but it will raise awareness and consciousness that there is a problem. Most of all, it will contribute to a vague sense of uneasiness and dissatisfaction with existing society. We need this if we hope to start picking people off and bringing them over to our side. We need to break down before we can build up. We must first clear away the flotsam of a decayed culture.


Not surprisingly, Karl Rove is closely allied with this group of people. This is from a Time Magazine article in 2001.

The Bush administration is apparently quite cozy with Weyrich. This quote from a Time magazine article is apropos, Time Magazine wrote this:

"Each Wednesday Rove dispatches a top administration official to attend the regular conservative-coalition lunches held at Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation. When activists call his office with a problem, Rove doesn't pass them off to an aide. He often responds himself. When Weyrich heard a few weeks ago that Bush's budget slashed funding for a favorite project called the Police Corps, which gives scholarships and training to police cadets, he complained to the White House. To Weyrich's surprise, Rove called back. “We've taken care of it,” Rove said. “The problem is solved.” Weyrich, who says his memos to the Reagan and Bush Sr. White Houses were rarely read, was impressed. “That,” he gushes, “is what it means to have friends in the White House.”

Sunday, Apr. 22, 2001
The Busiest Man in the White House
BY JAMES CARNEY AND JOHN F. DICKERSON
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,107219,00.html


Rove has been continuing this tactics of humiliation, vitriol, and anger.

The GOP's "controlled controversy"...outrageous enough to make us angry. Deliberate.


Image courtesy of Salon graphics

Yet Blackwell's foundation, the Leadership Institute, is not a Republican organization. It's a nonpartisan 501(c)(3) charity, drawing the overwhelming majority of its $9.1 million annual budget from tax-deductible donations. Despite its legally required "neutrality," the institute is one of the best investments the conservative movement has ever made. Its walls are plastered with framed headshots of former students -- hundreds of state and local legislators sprinkled with smiling members of the U.S. Congress, and even the perky faces of two recently crowned Miss Americas. Thirty-five years ago, Blackwell dispatched a particularly promising 17-year-old pupil named Karl Rove to run a youth campaign in Illinois; Jeff Gannon, a far less impressive student, attended the Leadership Institute's Broadcast Journalism School.

......."The Leadership Institute teaches the same principle. Controlled controversy -- making your point in a manner so bombastic that your opponents blow their cool -- is a Blackwell specialty.
Before the 2004 Republican Convention, the conservative elder personally went to a drugstore and bought little pink heart stickers, bandages and purple nail polish. At home, he made the "Purple Heart Band-Aids" that he later distributed in Madison Square Garden to mock John Kerry's war wounds. From Blackwell's perspective, the Kerry camp's outrage at the gag was a tactical disaster. Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe, Blackwell says, kept the story alive for days by "running around like a chicken with its head cut off."


It is not easy to beat a party that stoops to this level. It is not easy to beat a party led by a president who says he will keep on talking about Iran just like he has....facts don't matter to him at all.

The only way to combat such tactics is to understand them, study them, acknowledge and make public the use of them by the other party. Publicize it, speak out about it. Stop being fearful to let our powerful voices on TV....stop apologizing when the other side attacks them. Quit putting the wishy washy folks on the air.

They have no intention of being nice. They will use their "controlled controversy" to anger us, to appear obnoxious, they will do what they have to do to win.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:53 PM
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1. Well ...
you have to admit that the RW-ers have been very successful in THAT aim, if in nothing else!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:55 PM
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3. Their only success.....being obnoxious.
:evilgrin:

And they are probably proud of it.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:22 PM
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9. They don't use facts, though
It's mostly lies, half-truths and distortions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:42 PM
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26. For over 6 years now they have done it.
And they done it without too much opposition. I think many of our Democratic leaders are not really aware of how bad it is gotten. They got stuck in the DC culture.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:54 PM
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2. Digby discussed this as well--called it the "art of the hissyfit" that the GOP mastered.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:01 PM
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6. Yeah, they're obnoxious without
even trying but I have to wonder if the mainstreamers aren't getting just a little bit sick and tired of it?

But, Dean or Edwards can't be "angry"!.. They wouldn't have come nearly so far without the m$$$$$m under the sweathog's thumb.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:05 PM
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7. Yep, zidzi....Dean was way "too angry"....that's all we heard.
and we heard it from Democrats who should have been angry as well.

Kind of sad.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:12 PM
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8. It's pathetic...they were all
scared shitless of Dean and used psych-ops 101. "Dean's too angry..mustn't have it". :silly: And then the m$$$$m complete the attacks bringing the whining to mediawhore outlets.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:57 PM
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4. In other words. LIE CHEAT STEAL BULLY PROVOKE and Forget TRUTH/FACTS
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:26 PM
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10. yes just not necessarily in that order ;-)
after this last time in the majority '94 thru '06 the re:puke:s will be hard to find after this next election. I hope anyways
most people don't like thieves and/or liars and they are waking to the fact that the repukes are just that, thieves and liars
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:58 PM
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5. Mission Accomplished.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:02 PM
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15. Sorry! I Posted The Same Thing
The Professor
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:35 PM
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11. This is called ritual murder, and character assassination
And I expect this post to be deleted because calling it by it's right name, apparently is verbotten here

I have posted about this subject only to have those posts deleted by management

Why? I suspect some folks in the DLC are going to use these tactics as well, and they are using them here to be precise at times.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:57 PM
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12. We all need to learn when t'ignore em, t'laugh at em, t'reason, or t'smeck in th'schnozzer
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 03:57 PM by struggle4progress
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:58 PM
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13. Taking control...according to Huebeck.
Here is more of the thinking. If you look around you it is going on.

It should be understood that when we say we will take control of the "key cultural institutions," we do not mean MCA Universal, The New York Times, Harvard University, or Simon & Schuster. What we mean is the entertainment industry, the news media, academia, and the publishing industry. Our goal is not to infiltrate organizations opposed to our world-view, but to directly compete with them, and eventually, to make them irrelevant. The Left was able to take control of these organizations because the believers in traditional values who ran them were complacent and lacked vision. The modern-day Left is not complacent, and is more than willing to use its power to crush any challengers before they have a chance to become established within these organizations; hence the need to bypass the existing organizations altogether.

http://www.freecongress.org/commentaries/2001/011212EHfcc.asp


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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:02 PM
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14. Mission Accomplished
Obnoxious, vaccuous, devoid of knowledge, and annoying all at the same time. Way to go folks!
The Professor
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:49 PM
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25. Yes, they accomplished the goal to be obnoxious.
They did it well.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:31 PM
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16. Game theory show that it must be countered by hitting hard
Using these tactics against them.

-Hoot
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:30 PM
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19. Exactly and twice as hard.............
if you know the playbook you can defeat it.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:35 PM
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17. "Controlled controversy" is just passive aggressivity
Further proof that "conservatism" is a mental illness.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:39 PM
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18. We need to fight fire with fire
Give these fascist scumbags a taste of their own medicine--and force-feed them the same vitriol they so eagerly dish out to the "left" (read: anyone to the left of Attila the Hun; includes normal, everyday, concerned citizens).
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:36 PM
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20. Katherine Yurica paraphrases the central goals of this movement
You really need to read all of this archived article by her at the Information Clearing House.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7512.htm

The four immoral principles of the Dominionist movement as the following:

1) Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication.

2) It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of “goodness” whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as “evil.”

3) Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks.

4) The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind.



We just can not deny these things have happened under this administration and its leaders and adherents. Their right wing bloggers are outstanding at these things.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:40 PM
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21. I understand in a way but there is no reason to lie when being so forceful, they have done
enough wrong doing to keep the machine running in a loud and if you must have it be so, with an obnoxious tone of voice to end republican domination once and for all...

So there it is, say it loud, use sarcasm, be tough but no reason to lie, at least we have that on our side, no reason to lie as they have done and continue to.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:41 PM
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22. Like everything the Replicans do, the technique works for a short period, then backfires.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 05:42 PM by Perry Logan
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:43 PM
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23. Willing? It's out of their control, they can't fucking help it!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:44 PM
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24. Support of elites more important than support of the masses....Heubeck
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/FreeCongressEssay.html

Support of an Elite More Valuable than Support of the Masses

We will initially operate according to the belief that it is more important to win over the elites (or create a new, better one) than to build up a mass movement. Furthermore, it is more important to have a few impassioned members than a large number of largely indifferent members. The amount of energy, élan, and self-assurance that we are able to inculcate in the leaders of our movement will ultimately determine its success or failure.

The new movement must be, in part, exclusive and elite. It must not be afraid to pass along a body of knowledge that is not readily accessible to and understandable by everyone. The strong appeal of a feeling of exclusivity and superiority will give our members a reason to endure the slings and arrows of popular disapproval.

The New Traditionalist movement will appeal to the masses, but not immediately. The ideas of the masses never come from the masses. To the extent that the masses are more conservative than the elites, this is primarily because the masses have a long collective memory, and they still value the beliefs articulated by a long-lost elite. The conservative instincts of the American people will continue to erode unless a new elite is formed to refresh that memory.

We must recognize that literature and philosophy do not appeal to the masses. This is why we must develop ways to spread our philosophy using non-rational means--especially the moving image.


Good Lord, that is scary stuff.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:01 PM
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27. k+r
more people need to see this so they can see exactly what kind of battle is being waged....bi-partisanship in this era makes my blood run cold....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:36 AM
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28. I think a lot of DC Dems have not really been aware.
I don't want us to be like them, but I want us to fight their agenda. You can not compromise with them at all.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:45 AM
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29. Tradition, Family and Property
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:15 AM
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31. I do agree that is scary.
Heading there to read it more thoroughly. Thanks for sharing. Those names just do not warm my heart. Thanks.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:00 AM
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30. Forewarned is forearmed.
Best we know about all this instead of staying in the dark and just hoping everyone will play by the rules.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:37 PM
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32. To a segment on the right, there are no rules.
They don't care who they harm.
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