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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:13 PM
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International Justice: The World Has its Eye on George W. Bush
Some think that it is petty or vengeful to talk of punishment for George W. Bush after he leaves office, should our Congress fail in their duty to impeach him; that we have so many better things to do with our time and energy; that we should let bygones be bygones and move on with the future. I beg to differ with that attitude. And so does much of the rest of the world.

Our corporate news media obviously thinks that the deaths of approximately a million innocent Iraqis from the invasion and occupation of a country that posed no threat to us is no big deal. Nor do they think it’s a big deal that George Bush has thousands of innocent people locked away for years or indefinitely without charges or trial, and tortured. They hardly ever talk about these things, let alone acknowledge them as the war crimes and crimes against humanity that they are.

Nor has our Congress stepped up to deal with this situation adequately. Even impeachment continues to be “off the table”. And just as bad, Congress apparently has no stomach for or any intention of pursuing Bush’s crimes even after he leaves office. I believe that Jonathan Turley had it right in his interview with Randi Rhodes:

Some of the democratic leadership… want to stop just short of any event that would confirm the illegality of the domestic surveillance law or the president ordering torture because those two facts – if it was ever confirmed by a court – would virtually trigger an impeachment inquiry. And they have already promised the white house – I’m talking about the democrats – that they will not have any impeachment inquiry for the rest of his term.

They can’t afford to have a court actually render a verdict. Because if they do… what are you gonna do about it? And the fact is that they don’t want to do anything… I’m willing to bet you that the Democratic Senate will not allow any effort, for example, to prosecute people who tortured for the American government… And I can promise you this: the Democrats will never allow those people to be identified and prosecuted and they will not pursue the president even once he’s out of office.

It has been extremely disappointing for me (and most DUers) to see Congress failing in their duty towards these issues. As Orleans said in her recent DU post, “It is disheartening, disgusting, discouraging and infuriating.” Why is this happening? We have speculated on many explanations: Political calculation; fear; “protecting their own”. Perhaps the most cogent explanation is that Congress has been complicit – both in approving the Iraq War Resolution giving George Bush the authority to go to war, and in enacting the Military Commissions Act, which presumably legalizes Bush’s indefinitely locking away thousands of prisoners without charges or trial, in violation of our Constitution, international law, and everything our country used to stand for.

But all is not lost. George Bush’s crimes against humanity may not be addressed by the U.S. Congress, but Congress won’t necessarily have the last word on this issue.


Why pursuance of justice is so important even when (and if) George Bush leaves office

Though the term “crimes against humanity” originated at the Hague convention of 1907, it became much more widely accepted after the defeat of the Nazis in World War II. At that time, under the leadership of U.S. President Harry Truman, the Nuremberg Tribunal (officially known as the Agreement for the Prosecution and Punishment of the Major War Criminals of the European Axis and Charter of the International Military Tribunal) was established. It defined crimes against humanity as:

murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against civilian populations, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated. (italics added)

Many criticized the Nuremberg Tribunal at the time. Among the criticisms, it was said that the Tribunal represented “victor’s justice”, that it was unfair to the Nazis because the crimes under which they were prosecuted were established retroactively after the fact, and that those “crimes” were actually legal in Nazi Germany at the time. But today it is widely recognized throughout the world that crimes that are committed on a large scale and which “shock the conscience of mankind” must be pursued and prosecuted regardless of those kinds of considerations, and especially regardless of the legality of the crimes within the country in which the perpetrators reside. The bottom line is that these crimes pose such a danger to the human race and to international order that, in order to provide obstacles to their future occurrence, they must be considered international crimes, without respect to national borders.

Senator Christopher Dodd, in his recent book, “Letters from Nuremberg”, emphasizes the importance of the Nuremberg trials and how the principles on which they were based should apply to the actions of today’s Bush administration:

There’s a sense that the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism… If, for sixty years, a single word, Nuremberg, has best captured America’s moral authority and commitment to justice, unfortunately, another word now captures the loss of such authority and commitment: Guantanamo.

We may also trace the loss to a single speech of an American president, standing in the Rose Garden of the White House, trying to convince members of his own party that America should reinterpret the Geneva conventions that have defined human rights in this world for half a century. In a mockery of justice, we lock away terrorism suspects for years and give them no real day in court. We deny the lessons of Nuremberg, of universal rights to justice.


George Bush’s fight against the International Criminal Court

The purpose of the International Criminal Court (ICC) is to prevent the most heinous of crimes that cannot or will not be addressed at the national level. More specifically, its purpose can be gleaned through selected excerpts from the preamble to the 1998 Statute:

Mindful that during this century millions of children, women and men have been victims of unimaginable atrocities that deeply shock the conscience of humanity,

Recognizing that such grave crimes threaten the peace, security and well-being of the world,

Affirming that the most serious crimes of concern … must not go unpunished…

Determined to put an end to impunity for the perpetrators of these crimes and thus to contribute to the prevention of such crimes,

Resolved to guarantee lasting respect for and the enforcement of international justice.

Philippe Sands, a lawyer specializing in international law, provides a great primer on international law and how the Bush administration (and Tony Blair) has undermined international law, including the ICC, since taking office, in his book “Lawless World – The Whistle-Blowing Account of How Bush and Blair Are Taking the Law into Their Own Hands”.

Though the Bush administration provides many excuses for its hostility to the ICC, the underlying issue appears to be that it cannot tolerate the possibility that an American could ever be tried before the Court. For example, Bush claims that the Court’s jurisdiction cannot extend to Americans because that will undermine “the independence and flexibility that America needs to defend our national interests around the world”. Sands poses the following pertinent rhetorical question to that excuse:

The flexibility to do what? The flexibility to commit war crimes? The flexibility to provide assistance to others in perpetrating crimes against humanity? The flexibility to turn a blind eye when your allies commit genocide?

Consequently, though President Clinton signed the Statute, George Bush announced in 2002 that he was unsigning the statute. And he has gone well beyond non-participation, to active sabotage. For example, the American Service members’ Protection Act authorizes the American President to “use all means necessary and appropriate” to release any American national who is “being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the ICC”; it prohibits all American cooperation with the ICC; it prohibits participation of American troops in UN peacekeeping operations unless they are granted complete immunity from the ICC; and it prohibits the U.S. from providing military assistance to any country that is a party to the ICC (with some exceptions).


The world is very aware and has been addressing Bush administration crimes

Use of the ICC
Much of the world, including George Bush himself, is quite aware of the potential of the ICC for holding George Bush and others in his administration accountable for their crimes. Professor Marjorie Cohn, President of the National Lawyers Guild, explains, in an article titled “Bush and Co. Fear Prosecution in the International Criminal Court”:

Non-governmental organizations and individuals from sixty-six different countries have filed 499 "communications" – or complaints – with the International Criminal Court (ICC), between July 2002 and July 2003. Many of them urge the ICC to investigate the United States conduct in the war on Iraq. The primary charge is that the U.S. committed an act of aggression against Iraq. The ICC has jurisdiction to punish the crime of aggression.

Cohn describes actions against the Bush administration in the ICC by Belgium and Greece’s Athens Bar Association:

In June, Belgium indicted Bush, Tony Blair, Paul Wolfowitz, John Ashcroft, and Condoleezza Rice for war crimes…. Belgium isn’t alone in indicting Bush and Blair for war crimes. In July, Greece’s Athens Bar Association filed a complaint in the ICC against the two for crimes against humanity and war crimes, this time in connection with their war on Iraq.

International Commission of Inquiry on “Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration
The International Commission of Inquiry on “Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration of the United States” has charged Bush with “wars of aggression” and “torture, rendition, illegal detention and murder”. Discussing the conduct of the Iraq War, Howard Zinn states in the preamble to the Commission’s report that it:

has now reached the point of crime, crimes against humanity… a charge that peoples all over the world, and now more and more people in the United States, are beginning to level against this administration… The Bush administration has been reserving to itself the right to act unilaterally… presumably in the interests of democracy and liberty, but actually in the interests of business, big business, the oil business in this instance.

The Constitution provides for impeachment for what it calls “high crimes and misdemeanors.” … This is a clear case for the removal of a president for committing “high crimes”. What could be a higher crime than sending the young people of a country into a war against a small country… which is no danger to the United States, and in fact a war which is condemned by people all over the world and a war which results in, not only the loss of American lives and the crippling of young Americans but results in the loss of huge numbers of people in Iraq? These are high crimes.

Human rights organizations
Human rights organizations also have their eyes on the Bush administration. Amnesty International recently created a film titled “Justice without Borders”. Here is a preview for that film. It begins by saying:

Human rights is all about trying to preserve the dignity of the human being… In much of the world those, especially those who have the highest degree of responsibility for ensuring that life is respected and that human dignity is respected, are often the ones who are committing some of the worst crimes against humanity. We are committed to ending that culture of impunity.

This preview does not mention George W. Bush by name. However, previous communications by Amnesty International leave no doubt regarding where it stands with respect to Bush administration crimes:

We're in a struggle for the soul of our nation… Outraged, and in response, Amnesty International has launched a new campaign that will fight to restore our traditional American values of justice, rule of law, and human dignity. In the coming weeks and months, we will as a nation either end some of the worst human rights abuses of the Bush administration or continue down this destructive path. Amnesty is fighting for the America we believe in, the America that leads the world on human rights…


Possible significance of these developments to George Bush and his cohorts in crime

Some may think that the above developments don’t mean much – that George Bush is too powerful to have to worry about these kinds of things. But George Bush is (we hope) going to be out of office before too long, and there are a lot of people in the world who don’t like him very much, to understate the situation. It seems likely that even Bush and his cronies are aware of the potential dangers. Marjorie Cohn talks about the vehement reaction of the Bush administration against the ICC:

Why has the Bush administration resisted it so vehemently? Bush’s handlers were likely prescient about how the world would react to the United States’ illegal invasion of Iraq, which was not executed with Security Council approval or in lawful self-defense. They evidently knew they and their boss might be vulnerable to prosecutions for the unlawful killing of thousands of Iraqi civilians, the destruction of the civilian infrastructure, and the use of weapons of mass destruction – cluster bombs and depleted uranium – by "coalition forces."

She also explains the nature of universal jurisdiction, which is a primary feature of the ICC:

Under the treaty, the ICC can take jurisdiction over a national of even a non-party state if he or she commits a crime in a state party’s territory. The U.S. vehemently objects to this. But it’s nothing new. Under well-established principles of international law, the core crimes prosecuted in the ICC – genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of aggression – are crimes of universal jurisdiction. That means that an alleged perpetrator can – and always could – be arrested anywhere.


U.S. law is irrelevant to the charge of war crimes or crimes against humanity

No doubt one major reason for George Bush’s vehemence in pushing through the Military Commissions Act (MCA) was to immunize himself against punishment for the many crimes he has committed. By legalizing Bush’s abuse of his prisoners, that MCA violates our Fifth and Sixth Amendment guarantees to due process and a fair trial, as well as the Geneva Convention requirements for the treatment of prisoners of war. Bush’s attempt to nullify the Congressional “torture ban” attached to the MCA by issuing a signing statement to the effect that he is not obligated to be restricted by it, signaled his intention to violate our Eighth Amendment protection against “cruel and unusual punishment”, as well as the Geneva Conventions and The international Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of 1984.

Of course, neither the MCA nor any other law that Bush might demand or Congress might pass in the future either nullifies our Constitution or makes it legal to violate international law, as far as the international community of nations is concerned. As was made quite clear at the time the Nuremberg Tribunal was created, international law applies to ALL the nations of the world. As much as George Bush, Dick Cheney, or certain members of Congress or the U.S. public may not like it, those laws apply to our country now just as much as they applied to the Nazis for whom the Nuremberg Tribunal was created in 1945. Robert Jackson, the Chief U.S. prosecutor for the Nuremberg Tribunal, made that quite clear. He said:

To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole … If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:15 PM
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1. How can we break the spell that has Americans hypnotized,
mesmerized, anesthetized and ignorant? Do we have to give every yahoo out there a ticket overseas so they can "get it"?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:33 PM
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5. We need to find out what is making Americans so dumb and
start reversing the process as quickly as possible.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:45 PM
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11. Three magic words...
Machismo, anti-intellectualism and religiosity.

At least, that's what Molly Ivins said accounts for the presence in the US of so many completely inept, ignorant, belligerent, pompous, smug, strutting, self-righteous religious fanatics -- one of whom happens to work for the people that stole the last two presidential elections and appointed him intergalactic czar and titular lord of the realm.

Given there are certain kids who are unlucky to be born to certain people who are just plain dumb as a post and, between nature and nurture, the kids are going to turn out just like the parents.

But for the rest, those kids who didn't draw the genetic short stick, I think the whole thing starts with a miserable public educational system that can no longer teach anything useful except how to minimize your risk of getting shot and the best ways to parry knife thrusts. It gains steam as the functional illiterates this system produces are exposed to American pop culture by corporate mass media, along with the propagandized version of history, current events and politics. And everything falls into place when, with one last desperate attempt to salvage what remains of their ruined lives, these people accept Hayzooz as their personal savior.

The mind shuts down; critical thinking loses out to advertising, marketing and PR; blind faith in fairy tales replaces normal stimulus-response and real-world experience; and now you've got another dull-normal compulsive consumer dragging down the national IQ.

Completely reversing the process would probably require decades of social engineering, working to marginalize existing cultural mores and replacing them with norms more consistent with producing functional, engaged humans -- those who actively participate in life rather than parking their fat asses on the couch, shoving Doritos and Coors Lite into their distended jowls, and pretending that Dancing with the Stars is living. But I detest BF Skinner and that whole group of rat-torturing clinical psychologists, and so I'm not nuts about mass behavior modification either.

But we can make a start by redirecting these obscene billions in war funding to rebuilding the public school system, and subsidizing it so that education is completely free from K through 12 and, for qualified kids, from 13 through grad school. At the same time, we should make a point of kicking the fundies off local school boards, out of school district positions and out of the classroom. Fundies and actual education are mutually exclusive, imo, and you have to choose one or the other.

I have no idea what to do about machismo, though. I'd like to send the worst offenders a special christmas package with a big red label plastered all over the box that says "Thank you for your order of one dozen extra-small condoms." But they probably wouldn't get the joke since testosterone poisoning rots the brain in most cases.

So there's my partial list of ways to begin reversing the drastic national slide into utter stupidity and irrelevance. I'm sure there are better and more workable solutions, but I'm not coming up with much at the moment.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:57 PM
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15. huh. . Three magic words:
"Pull the Plug"!
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:09 PM
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18. On Cheney? With unlimited pleasure.
On the whole bunch of Strausian bastards? Where's the breaker box.

On the occupation? Better have a word with Harry the reed before he bends Bushie's way yet again.


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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:09 PM
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55. Yes
Bingo!!!!!!

Kill all television.

It is a good thing I am not a supervillain, else I would pirate all television and replace it with episodes of Adam West's Batman.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:38 PM
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65. Reversing Hell in a Hand basket
THe world is glaring at us like the Mom at Walmart with the obnoxious disobedient loud spoiled child who refuses to discipline him or demand better behavior. Because we allow our own despot dictator to do to others what we condemned in Saddam Hussein and other depraved corrupt power mongers, we in essence show that in spite of our "Enlightened Privilege", WE THE PEOPLE, are as easily led as any in the less endowed countries. For the first time in my 45 years, I'm ashamed of our nation for failing to eject George Bush and his corrupt administration. What will it take for our congress to act? Could someone get them a double dose of viagra so they can at least "Get it up" long enough to get the ball rolling on the impeachment? The world needs us to TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN BAD SEED.

WE THE PEOPLE have expelled corrupt dictators in the past. WE THE PEOPLE have fought against tyranny and oppression and won. WE THE PEOPLE have found good and just leaders and supported them and WE THE PEOPLE can do it again. We are innovators, creators, leaders, inventors, producers, and dreamers. We sent men to the moon, ended wars, created vaccinations for some of the worlds worst diseases, fed nations, and connected all of us here on this site with the internet. WE THE PEOPLE can change the course of this nation and make a difference in the world.

I have no intention of presenting a PollyAnna view that all will be well if we just elect a good leader. In fact, whomever that leader will be will be handed a bag of broken glass and the demands to "Fix" it will nearly paralyze any leader, even a good one. We the people are over 300 million strong. Surely there must be a fair proportion of those people who are willing to rise up, to fight and work and sacrifice and change to make the difference in the world. It won't just be a leader but a nation of leaders.

An apocalyptic view and bitter resentment won't be the glue that will hold us together. I don't doubt for a moment that our world is more corrupt, more toxic, more troubled, more cruel, more in the throes of anarchy than ever before in the history of our modern world. I also don't doubt that one person can influence another person, and another, till a whole community is inspired, and then a city, and a state and a nation.

Today I signed yet another protest against Bush and Cheney. Today I lent my name and reputation to some serious causes. Today I tried to share information and influence with people I love to inspire them to do something too. Today I reduced, reused, recycled. Today I didn't spend money I didn't have or go where I didn't need to go or consume what I didn't need to consume. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next and the next. I alone can't change the world but all of us can.

This petition can be sent to everyone who cares. Give it your best and do something TODAY!!!

http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php
http://www.usalone.com/last25.php?paper=1& ...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:00 AM
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32. In support of your statement about our miserable educational system
When the "National Center for History in the Schools" produced a guidance document for teaching history in our schools, emphasizing that the bad about our country must be taught along with the good, our Senate condemned it by a vote of 99-1 on the grounds that it portrayed too negative of a picture of our country.

This is the document:
http://nchs.ucla.edu/standards/toc.html

The only nay vote was based on the belief that the condemnation didn't go far enough.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:21 AM
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33. You beat me to it. Fundamentalist religiosity is right at the top...
...of my list. There are none so blind....
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:47 AM
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50. i agree!
i made the same connection while watching the United States vs. John Lennon last weekend. those protesters were so educated & so smart. what the hell happened? i knew the schools had deteriorated, but i didn't think it was THAT bad ... until last weekend.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:23 PM
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67. "Machismo, anti-intellectualism and religiosity..."
thanks Warren! that was so spot on and hilarious!

"I have no idea what to do about machismo, though"

Yeah the machismo problem is one of the toughest to put back in the bottle. The whole country already had been inflicted with this before Bush came to office. WWF, Xtreme anything etc...but after the "If you aren't with us your for the terrorists", and "Dead or alive" talk it spiraled out of control. All the hicks and hotheads came out to play. Even TV ads and news channels upped the tough 'n loud formula. It was ok to threaten the Dixie Chicks and talk of putting a "boot up their ass" . "The Troops" transformed from our nations armed defense organization into a holy MoFo shitkicking deity that no one who didn't want to get beat up themselves, didn't bow down and worship. "The Troops" could now strike unprovoked anywhere it was ordered to by our machismo commander in chief, with absolutely no criticism whatsoever. Kill up to 1/6th of the 6 million civilians as Hitler did that started with his illegal invasion but the MSM won't dare to bring up for fear of "not supporting The Troops" You can't be too macho these days. Peace supporters are deemed "wimps" for advocating discussion and diplomacy, instead the norm is kill em all and let God sort it out later.

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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:18 PM
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20. The systematic defunding of public education since the 70's, combined with TV has done it. (n/t)
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:20 PM
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60. tv ..reality based shows..preoccupation with celebrity..etc
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 02:21 PM by xiamiam
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:58 PM
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16. I do feel and know of your frustration.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 08:03 PM by FREEWILL56
I can only think that many are in a state of denial or are knowingly supportive or complicit with those crimes. Unfortunately, there are a vast number of people that are also stupid and there is no cure for stupidity for some as even when their hand is put over the flame it doesn't dawn on them that that's not the right thing to do.
:silly: :dunce: :think:

To the OP, excellent post. Kicked & Recommended
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:17 PM
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2. Good luck. -n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:20 PM
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3. Charge him, try him, convict him, incarcerate him
and Cheney.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:46 AM
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39. I want to see bush and cheney brought to justice.
They are war criminals and traitors. To think that there would be no consequences whatsoever for these sociopathic criminals who have attacked our country and its Constitution every day for seven years is simply maddening. I get a ticket if I jaywalk. Clinton gets impeached over a private sex act. bush kills thousands and rapes America, and he goes scot-free.

Grrr.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:23 PM
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4. As it was with the Nazis -- so be it too with the Neocons.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:45 PM
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6. I hope they get him.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:47 PM
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7. Good, maybe that's why he looks so depressed these days.
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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:05 PM
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8. The Bush* solution --> PARAGUAY!
He's positioning himself for any and all contingencies.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:29 PM
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30. He cannot hide there.
Millions and millions of people in South America will hunt him down. Not even his extended family will be safe from retribution.

Welcome to DU! :hi:



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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:29 AM
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34. But Blackwater is his private army!
The peasants with pitchforks would pose no threat to hardened mercenaries guarding the fort.

Thanks for the welcome!

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:43 AM
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35. A LOT of those peasants have automatic weapons, shoulder-fired rockets, GPS, etc.
From what I read in newspapers while living there, the Brazilian military is not too keen on Bushler nor any of his Bushistas living near them, especially on the boarder with Paraguay at Foz Iguaçu (the giant cataract and aquifer).

If we don't get rid of Bushler soon, we may lose vital trade partners.


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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:03 AM
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36. That being the case, he should probably stock up on mice --
Thai mouse to risk life for Bush in last line of bio-chemical defence

John Aglionby in Bangkok
Saturday October 18, 2003
The Guardian


A humble mouse is to put its life on a plate for US president George Bush this weekend - acting as his official food taster to thwart any attempt at a bio-chemical assasination.

The rodent is one of 10 selected by the authorities in Thailand, where Mr Bush is starting a four-day visit today, and will be served samples of food which the president will eat.

According to Thai officials, the mouse will nibble on Thai dishes and then be observed to see if it drops dead or suffers any ill effects.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1065769,00.html



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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:07 AM
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43. He can run, but he can't hide!
The whole world is watching...
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:13 PM
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9. This is the first thing I've seen in quite a while that has even a ray of hope to it
Is there anything we can do here to make sure this happens? Is the place Bush bought (in Paraguay, if I remember correctly) a safe haven from the ICC? Is the US a safe haven from the ICC? I hope the answers are yes, no and no.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:53 PM
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12. I really don't think they will have anyplace to hid in the end
these sorry sob's are going down and it won't be too soon when he/they do
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:22 PM
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21. As I see it ...
"Is there anything we can do here to make sure this happens?"

With the neocons and the Democrats who enable them, the only sure thing is that the United States as we have known it will cease to exist unless these bastards can somehow be stopped.

"Is the place Bush bought (in Paraguay, if I remember correctly) a safe haven from the ICC?"

The ICC has international jurisdiction. At least technically then, neither Paraguay nor any other place in the world is a safe haven.

"Is the US a safe haven from the ICC?"

Again, the ICC has international jurisdiction. The US should not therefore be a safe haven. This assumes; however, that the US is a nation of laws with a commitment to justice. If the events of the last seven years have shown nothing else, they have shown with tragic clarity that America has lost its way. Would the United States then disrespect international law and try to illegally shield Bush from prosecution by the ICC? One would hope not, but then again it seems clear that as a nation we are now ethically and morally bankrupt. We have disgraced every ideal we once stood for. Could harboring and international criminal, a mass murderer and torturer be far off? I regret to say I doubt it.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:15 PM
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25. To the best of my ability
What we can do about it to make that happen, other than do what we can to encourage our Congresspersons to impeach and convict:

The organizations that are most concerned with international justice are the human rights organizations. They work tirelessly towards that end, and that's one reason why I'm a member of Amnesty International. In fact, it was AI's film that I previewed for the first time yesterday (which I included a link to in the OP) that gave me the inspiration for this post. The preview is only about five minutes long, and I suggest you take a look at it and consider joining AI or another human rights organization with similar goals. Here's AI's home page:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/About_Us//page.do?id=&n1=2

As far as Paraguay is concerned, I don't have anything to add to yellowdog's statement.

With regard to Bush having sanctuary in the U.S., I also pretty much agree with yellowdog. It's kind of difficult to imagine the international community demanding the extradition of George Bush for crimes against humanity, if only because our country is so powerful now. But that could change. We are squandering our power, and at the rate we're going we will not remain the most powerful nation in the world for much longer, especially if we start a war with Iran.

Also it is difficult to imagine that a U.S. government would turn Bush over to the ICC. There is too much American exceptionalism in this country, and therefore my opinion is that an American President wouldn't do it. Politically it would be very dangerous in this country, though it would be the right thing to do. I think Kucinich or Gravel would do it. Some, maybe all, of the others Dem candidates would like to do it, but probably political considerations would prevent them from doing so.

But things could change quite a bit in 10 or 20 years. Just look at Pinochet, Milosevic, and the Rwandan war criminals.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:33 PM
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10. K&R n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:55 PM
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13. Thanks for this, I really needed to read something like this
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:09 PM
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17. Without equal enforcement of the rule of law,...democracy DOES NOT EXIST.
It's a fact.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:28 PM
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23. Even more embarassing is to air our dirty laundry abroad and not at home.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:38 PM
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24. there is hope; but Henry the K still walks free...
Of course there are certain countries he can't visit anymore...

BushCo may be stuck in the US, as all other countries will turn them over to the ICC. In a way, they have already made their prison and are living in it. What happens to them after that, eh (shrugs shoulders)... not my problem. I call it karma.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:16 PM
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26. K&R
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:21 PM
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27. Thank you for this... wow, just wow ! K&R n/t
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micraphone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:23 PM
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28. Don't forget Rumsfeld..
He got out of Dodge smartly (well, France anyway) over torture charges brought by group of U.S. and European human rights organizations a coupla months back.

This must have rung alarm bells in the WH.

If the ICC decided on charges against anyone in or around the WH, even Paraguay might not save them.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:47 AM
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38. Welcome to DU!
I hope they spend the rest of their lives losing sleep and looking over their shoulders. At least until they're brought to justice by an international tribunal.

I am encouraged by the notion that the ICC has universal jurisdiction.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:26 PM
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29. J'Accuse!! ........ Bushler&Co MUST be brought to justice!! ........ TO THE HAGUE!!!!!!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:45 PM
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31. Monkey needed his war with Iran for any chance to escape Justice.
He's not only the worst to occupy the Oval Office, it's looking like the little turd from Crawford is going to be the first to do time.

The international Tribunal at the Hague may have to await their turn with Bush and his crowd. First the American courts will have at the crazy monkey and his cronies for treason, corruption, and Moon-knows-what else.

Thank you infinitely for another excellent KBR post, Time for change. It's like a new day, these days.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:46 AM
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41. Thank you very much Octafish
I agree with Senator that impeachment and removal from office is more important than trying them for crimes against humanity. But it sure would be great to see that happen -- and it most certainly ought to happen.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:18 AM
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37. Impeachment Is The Easiest Route
And if fact would unify the nation.

We remain The Pariah Nation unless and until we come to terms with this.

Impeachment is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:11 PM
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62. I agree that it is crucially important that Bush/Cheney be impeached and removed from office
But if that's not done, I think that trial war crimes against humanity and war crimes is highly desirable. Conviction, or even trial by the ICC, would give future presidents great pause before committing war crimes, even if Bush and Cheney don't get impeached.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 07:01 AM
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40. You do realize the Royal Bushies will pile our corpses up by the millions to keep out of jail
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 07:04 AM by tom_paine
Like the Nazis before them, they will utterly devastate us all before a major player of their Imperial Family spends so much as a night in jail.

I understand the International Community's desire to punish New Hitler. I am embarrassed because it is the American people's job to punish our own criminals, to prevent them from ever seizing power, really, but clearly we have lost the will to do that job...all of us not, just our Democratic Leadership.

But ultimate, the Bushies have what the Nazis had...a gun to our collective heads and they will NOT HESITATE to use it on us if we show any sign of real resistance.

So while, I am grateful for the International Community's desire to prosecute War Crimes, I am also worried that such threats, particularly if they are empty, will only spur the Bushies to speed on to their Penultimate and Final Solutions to the Liberal Problem, and may even cause them to release the safeties on the 15% of us who would kill for the Bushies, and the other 15% who would support it, yet do everything they could to look away and deny.

Of the 70% remaining, no less than 60% would duck their heads and just try to get on with their lives, ignoring the agony of the remaining 10% of resistors, whether they are violent or nonviolent (Bushies/Nazis see each as a threat to Order worthy of neutralization).

So the International Community had better understand this. The closer this comes to being a reality, the closer we come to millions of deaths and horror, I'm afraid.

I hope I am wrong about this.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:52 PM
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61. I look at it somewhat differently than that, though these things are very hard to predict
I agree with you that they would be willing to commit countless acts of destruction and murder in order to avoid risk to themselves. However, I don't think it will come to that, for the following reasons:

1) If the international community attempts to try Bush Co. at the ICC, it will in all probability be after he leaves office (if he does in fact leave office). In that case their power will be greatly diminished from what it is now.

2) I believe that if attempts are made to get Bush extradited to the ICC, it will be our president's decision whether or not to extradite him. So, I think that Bush Co. has much more to fear from whoever our president is at the time, than they have to fear from us.

3) Even if they had the power to kill us, I don't think that it would be in their best interests. The assassination attempts on Hitler did not occur when the outrages were confined to Jews and other "undesirables". It was only after Hitler put typical Germans at great risk by pulling them into WW II that the assassination attempts were made. I think that Bush Co. will be safer if they don't try to inflict direct damage on us.

Therefore, my main fear is that there will be a coup attempt, and the fear of that alone greatly outweighs the fear of what he might do if threatened with extradition to the ICC.

But anything can happen, and nothing would surprise me terribly at this point.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:35 PM
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78. You are right. Details of the future are hard to predict.
n/t
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witchgman Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:29 PM
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77. I feel fear.
tom_paine I fear you are correct. I am so ashamed of my elected officials. I must remember that 'fear is the mind killer'.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:40 PM
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79. Welcome to DU, witchgman. I also could be wrong wrong wrong.
It would do well for us both to remember that.

Also, the future is not yet written and the infrastructure that the Foundng Fathers left us to defend ourselves against Bushies may yet have some pushback left in it, yet. There may stillbe a chance for The System to save The System.

Fear IS the mind-killer, to quote Frank Herbert, and we cannot succumb to it.

But it is also wise to realize we are ruled by sociopaths, and that as such, Bushies are both ruthless and unpredicatble, not to mention I do not believe they see us "peasants" as human beings.

This thing could go either way. The outcome is not yet known.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:02 AM
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42. Great work, TFC! K&R
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:50 AM
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44. Two words sum up why Americans are obtuse to the heinous....
...crimes against humanity perpetrated by this administration: sports and entertainment.

Both of these are addictions that need to be broken before the American public understands the seriousness of what has been done in their name.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:51 AM
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45. This WAR CRIMINAL must not be allowed to spend the rest of his days in peace.
We must insure that his last day is spent swinging at the end of a ROPE!

That is my one and only fervent hope and prayer...
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:22 AM
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46. Great post!! n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:37 AM
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47. WHY would they promise not to hold impeachment hearings?
:nuke:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:23 PM
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63. That's a great mystery to me too
I have no idea where Johnathan Turley came up with that. But I trust him, so I assume he had some inside information. Why they would do that is beyond my understanding, and it is infuriating to me.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:24 PM
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69. I trust him, and also the evidence speaks for itself.
Look how they've handled the public's call for impeachment.

:grr: :mad: :nuke:
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:41 AM
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48. so if b*sh can "unsign" something Clinton signed, why can't the next
prez unsign all this crap he signed?

"Consequently, though President Clinton signed the Statute, George Bush announced in 2002 that he was unsigning the statute."
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:32 PM
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64. The next president CAN undo much of the damage that Bush has done if
s/he so choses. I think that any of the Dem candidates who get elected president will do so, including signing of the ICC.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:44 AM
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49. Hell, even asshole nixon was invited to various even ts...
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 11:45 AM by Javaman
this is why we need to start impeachment proceedings.

we must send a message to the world, that we aren't that stupid. if we let this fucker* get away, we as a nation are done.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:25 PM
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70. Absolutely
It is the responsibility of our country to impeach and remove these criminals from office (and send them to the ICC as well, but that will never happen). If our country neglects that responsibility then it will be up to the rest of the world to take action.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:48 AM
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51. A post of truly colossal importance.
The amount of lives lost or damaged in Iraq are of utmost importance and those people and their families deserve justice. Constantly here we are reminded of the loss of lives of US fighting men and women. As a former marine myself I understand the love and support of our troops but it's high time we all recognize fully all those other innocent lives lost. And those "leaders" in our White House need to pay and serve time for their crimes.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:36 PM
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71. I think that the insensitivity to and failure to even discuss the Iraqi lives lost,
or to enter that as part of the cost of war, is indicative of arrogance and racism on the part of much of the U.S. population. It's a very sad commentary.

And we blame them for not doing their part in our war!!!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:53 AM
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52. I am so grateful to you and others
on the web. I have learned so much. I hope they have their day in court and in front of a firing squad.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:38 PM
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72. Thank you and welcome to DU
:toast:

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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:56 AM
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53. Excellent post! Much more coherent than the current leader of the free world.
As to Turley's point that "the Democratic Senate will not allow any effort, for example, to prosecute people who tortured for the American government," I'd like to make the distinction that it's a lot less important to go after the people who carried out these crimes than the masterminds. I would be willing to see the foot soldiers go free if the CEOs of the contractors, the agency heads, and the political enablers were brought to justice. I would swap the bad apples of Abu Ghraib for the bad apples in Washington, because not only was the Washington apples' crimes much worse, they have been operating without restraint and with growing power for some time now, until they have become the greatest threat to democracy.

Our exceptionalism has got to stop. You quote Robert Jackson, "If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us." There is no international law if some are above it, and no one will pay a greater price for destroying international law than those who hope to see democratic government become the world's norm. If bush claims that as his goal, he cannot simultaneously turn world governance into a series of corporate power grabs behind closed doors that emulate gang warfare.

Thank you, Time for change.




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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:47 PM
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74. Thank you donkeyotay -- I feel the same way as you do about it. We need to adopt the Nuremberg
principles: Go after the top guns, those who were responsible for the crimes against humanity. I don't care if we go after the so-called "bad apples" or not.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:24 PM
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54. Wonder what the Paraguayan extradition laws are?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:35 PM
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57. Why do you think he's moving there?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:52 PM
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58. Oh, just being semi-facetious.
What with the talk a while back of the BFEE scoping out large tracts of land in Paraguay.

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sistagoldilocks42 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:16 PM
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59. SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIMES VS THE RULE OF INTERNATIONAL MORALITY
Blessings and love to all DU this peaceful day. The sun is out the weather is sweet. You need to move your dancing feet. THE GUIDING STAR IS VISIBLE IN THE HEAVENS EVERY MORNING. BEAUTIFUL SIGHT!!!THIS CAME TO BRING LIGHT TO EUROPEAN DARKNESS.

The fascist brothers and sisters of Adolph Hitler still exist. Some are alive while others exercise their sick right to fascism and racism through their pogenies. A fascist is a racist who claims his genetic flaw, or lack of melanin, gives him the right to rule over others. Most Nazis went to USA after Germany. Wake Up!!!!!!

Fortress America is drugged, drugged, drugged...from chlorine, fluoride etc.. The forced drugging of our water supplies under the guise of improving our dental health is a "SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIME"
"Water is life". How could one repair their body with poisonous toxic substances??? They poison us and brainwash us all day. Their control is almost complete but for the "MOTHER OF ALL SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIMES"....SLAVERY, SLAVERY, SLAVERY AND RAPE OF AFRICA AND AFRICANS. Apparently, the chickens have come home to roost!!!!

LANCE THE BOIL THAT CONTINUES TO FESTER

IT IS CALLED THE "MOTHER OF ALL SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIMES"

"AS AFRICA GOES, SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD"

REPAIR THE BREECH, BECAUSE, AS AFRICANS ARE HELD CAPTIVE BY THE "PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX" SO TOO WILL THE DESTRUCTION OF BABYWRONG COME. IT IS THE LAW OF NATURE CALLED SOWING VS REAPING.

WE CAN NO LONGER HIDE AND BLAME OTHERS IN THIS "BOOK OF LIFE"

IT BEGINS AND ENDS WITH INI/US

BEGIN BY SENDING THE MOTHER OF ALL SUPREME CRIMINALS ELIZABETH II OF ENGLAND, JUAN CARLOS OF SPAIN AND ALL THE CRIMINAL BUSHITA CABAL TO THE HAGUE. SEND THE INCOMPETENT BROWN SHIRT ENABLING CONGRESS ALONG AND LET THE HOUSE CLEANING BEGIN

AMERICA IS GERMANY AND BUSH IS HITLER

YES, BUSH IS EXTERMINATING BLACK AFRICANS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS

YES MY FELLOW FACSIST/RASCIST AMERICANS, YOU ARE RASCIST, RASCIST, RASCIST

WE AFRICANS OVERSTAND THAT THIS IS HOW MANY OF YOU WERE RAISED AND CONTINUE TO BEHAVE

IMAGINE GLOBAL PEACE

HOUR OF DECISION

AFRICA AND AFRICANS ALL REASONED OUT

FIRST THE EUROPEANS NOW THE CHINESE

WHEN AND WHERE WILL THIS EXPLOITATION END!!!!

WHEN AFRICA IS FREE AND ALL AFRICANS CAN RISE AND SPEAK WITH FREE VOICES

THEN THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE FREE OF FASCISM AND RACISM

AN AFRICAN OR AFRICAN AMERICAN CANNOT BE A RACIST SO DO NOT CALL I ONE

I HAVE NO POWER TO ELICIT OR BRING ABOUT ANY CHANGE IN THE LAWS GOVERNING YOUR LIVES.

WHILE OUR GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO MAKE LAWS INFLICTING PAIN ON MY PEOPLE

LOOK AT NEW ORLEANS AND THE HOUSES THEY ARE PREPARED TO DEMOLISH WHILE MANY ARE HOMELESS!!!

AM I RACIST??? NEVER BECAUSE AFRICANS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE TO POWER TO DO THIS TO WHITE AMERICA

MAN THE BARRICADES BECAUSE, WE ARE THE GENERATION OF CHANGE: CHANGE AGENTS WE ARE

LOVE AND "LIGHT"

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:10 PM
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56. If we are ever to restore our integrity in the world's eye then justice must be served!
Thanks TFC!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:16 PM
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66. It Will ALWAYS Be Tribunal Time In The United States of America Until ...
... Bush, Cheney and all their neoconster fellow criminals are indicted and brought to trial.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:24 PM
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68. If Bush and his associates are NOT held accountable under international law...
Then there is no longer an America
and I am leaving.

BHN
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:43 PM
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73. Impeachment
My little bit to push this, is to write a short note of disgust, and stuff it into all the calls for donation I receive this year<6 so far>. I stamp the envelope because I do not want to cost my democrats any money, just not give any. I let them know I only contribute to progressive candidates, and write impeach on the envelope. Its not much but it's what I can do.
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sss1977 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:57 PM
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75. Great post!
K&R
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:02 PM
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76. So why isn't Dodd speaking out for IMPEACHING THE M__HER F__KER ALREADY?
"Senator Christopher Dodd, in his recent book, “Letters from Nuremberg”, emphasizes the importance of the Nuremberg trials and how the principles on which they were based should apply to the actions of today’s Bush administration:"
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:14 PM
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81. Good question
The leaders of the Democratic Party have apparently made it well known that they do not want talk of impeachment. I'm mystified as to why they've done that, but there are few Democrats who are willing to rock the boat on this issue. Dennis Kucinich and a few other House members, and Barbara Boxer in the Senate have talked about it. Even Al Gore says that he's not in favor of impeachment, even though he's said harsher things about Bush than Dodd has.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:54 PM
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80. Thanks. K&R. Does "supreme international crime" even cover it??
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