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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:30 AM
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Scott Horton: Witnesses describe "clean-up" mission at Iraq detention facilities to destroy evidence
Today's New York Times reports:

WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 — The Central Intelligence Agency in 2005 destroyed at least two videotapes documenting the interrogation of two Al Qaeda operatives in the agency’s custody, a step it took in the midst of Congressional and legal scrutiny about the C.I.A’s secret detention program, according to current and former government officials.

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Scott Horton At Harper's provides brilliant analysis:



December 6, 2007

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Let’s first focus on this question: Why is this evidence being destroyed? The answer is painfully acknowledged. The CIA leadership and other senior administration officials are fully cognizant of the fact that the use of a number of specific practices which these tapes almost certainly document, to-wit: waterboarding, long-time standing, hypothermia, psychotropic drugs and sleep deprivation in excess of two days, are serious crimes under American law and the law of almost all nations. Consequently, those who have used them and those who have authorized their use will almost certainly ultimately face criminal prosecution at some point in the future. The Administration’s attempts to immunize the perpetrators have failed. Any purported grant of a pardon by President Bush will be legally ineffective, because Bush himself is a collaborator in the scheme. And there is no statute of limitations. Therefore the prospect of prosecution is hardly far-fetched. It is a virtual certainty. So the evidence is being destroyed precisely because it would be used as evidence of criminal acts in a prosecution of administration figures and those acting under their direction. Therefore, this is a conscious, calculated obstruction of justice.


The second question is: Where has Congress been throughout this period? ..... The Associated Press now has a story up which raises even more troubling prospects. In it, General Hayden suggests that he notified Congressional oversight and they expressed no objection to the destruction of evidence. ..... Chairman Rockefeller has a different description of what happened from General Hayden:

“While we were provided with very limited information about the existence of the tapes, we were not consulted on their usage nor the decision to destroy the tapes. And, we did not learn until much later, November 2006 — 2 months after the full committee was briefed on the program — that the tapes had in fact been destroyed in 2005.”


Congresswoman Jane Harman also states unequivocally that she warned against destruction of the recordings.
The suggestion that the “CIA’s internal watchdog” viewed the tapes and approved in 2003 raises more questions. Does this “watchdog” understand its function as suborning criminality? It certainly looks that way. If it gave a green light, then it was complicit in a criminal act, and it needs to be the subject of an investigation itself.
But first let’s note: this was when John Yoo’s torture memorandum, issued out of the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel in order to bind the CIA to the Yoo/Addington lunatic notions of torture, was in force. So that determination that they “were legal” is in fact John Yoo’s determination that they were “legal.” And this is as worthless a determination as has ever appeared within a rifleshot of the Potomac. Indeed, if that’s Hayden’s basis for saying it was legal, the proper reaction would not be to be reassured, it would be to be still more concerned.

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By destroying the evidence, the Bush Administration is laying the foundations for the use of torture-induced “evidence” in court room proceedings, in violation of U.S. law and international commitments. In fact we now have a number of witnesses saying that exactly this is in train, including a JAG colonel whose testimony before Congress Defense Department General Counsel (another of the prime torture conspirators) intervened to block. ..... Moreover, in Iraq in the period just before the investigation of Gen. Taguba was commenced, a number of witnesses have now described a special “clean up” mission that was sent through detention facilities, requesting that photos, recordings, records and documents be collected for destruction, to leave no evidence of the practices established there at the direction of Secretary Rumsfeld himself. Two generals have now described this “clean up.”

All of this is clear cut obstruction of justice, a serious federal crime.

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A major question hovers over the conduct of the Justice Department throughout this process. Nowhere does the Justice Department appear to behave like a law enforcement agency. If anything is has adopted the stance of a mobster’s consigliere, and some signs point to the Justice Department’s actual complicity in these criminal acts.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:37 AM
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1. We need a real chorus of outrage at these crimes.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:45 AM
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2. Great stuff--Scott Horton is a great journalist. A little conservative, though
so words like these are music to my ears.

Many thanks to the brave soul who leaked this info to the Times.


:hug:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:04 AM
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3. K&R
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:05 AM
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4. Crime - Obstruction of justice - it is a felony, Impeachment yet on the table?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:10 AM
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5. I think the "interrogators" are well known to us AND they know they have committed war crimes.
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 11:10 AM by in_cog_ni_to
I so hope someone has a copy of those tapes.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:25 AM
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6. Do you think red hot coat hangers were involved?
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 11:27 AM by vickiss
I sure do. All of those undercover visits...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:47 AM
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8. Oh yeah and waterboarding and whatever other sick means of torture they use.
:(
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:35 PM
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11. Don't ya' just know that the smirking chimp participated
personally?

Sickening. :puke:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:29 AM
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7. Grrrecommended
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:53 AM
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9. Spread far and wide. OK?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:59 AM
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10. Is there no duty to disobey illegal orders?
Oh well, I guess it's just another day in the USA. Nothing to see here. Let's not wallow in the past. Move on, move on. What's done is done. The past can't be altered.
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