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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:28 PM
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This is not good - Death Threat Made Against Joe Horn Who Killed Burglary Suspects
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DEATH THREAT MADE AGAINST HOMEOWNER WHO KILLED BURGLARY SUSPECTS

Last Edited: Monday, 10 Dec 2007, 9:16 PM CST
Created: Monday, 10 Dec 2007, 8:48 PM CST

HOUSTON -- An unknown man called in a death threat against a Houston-area man who fatally shot two suspected burglars in the back, authorities said Monday.

The caller made the death threat shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday, leaving a message with the Harris County District Attorney's Public Integrity Division. The message is laced with curse words and says Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn will be killed in retaliation for the deaths of the two men he shot Nov. 14, the Houston Chronicle reported in its online edition.

"If you don't get an indictment, we're going to kill him and if he goes to prison, we'll kill him there, too," Pasadena police spokesman Vance Mitchell said the message suggested. Investigators have been checking phone records but do not yet have a suspect.

Horn, 61, killed Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30. The incident has touched off protests from minority activists and counter-protests from Horn's supporters.


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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:33 PM
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1. A word to the wise,
don't rob and don't threaten to kill the neighbor.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:33 PM
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2. Not good, but hardly surprising. People don't like it when murderers get a free pass.
There's no situation so bad that it can't get much, much worse.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:37 PM
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5. Well I don't much like it when somebody thinks they can just break
into a house and take what they want either!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:39 PM
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6. No, that's not good either. But would you please tell me what it is you
or someone you know owns that is worth killing a human being over?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:54 PM
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11. Nothing, however, if you've ever been robbed, your reaction
usually isn't to the value of what was taken, but the violation you feel!

I think there's another way to look at this too. Was there ANYTHING those 2 could have stolen that was worth risking their lives for? Ican't prove it, but I believe if they had dropped their stolen goods, and dropped to the ground, I doubt the neighbor would have shot them.

Granted 2 wrongs don't make a right, but there sure was stupidity on both sides!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:09 PM
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21. I was once burglarized, and I knew perfectly well who did it. So I know how that feels.
I didn't shoot him, BTW.


And as far as your "he wouldn't have shot them IF..." notion,
I'm afraid that just doesn't mesh with the FACTS of this case.

The man stated his intentions to shoot them to the police dispatcher,
left his home to confront them AGAINST the dispatcher's advice,
and shot them both IN THE BACK.

He didn't shoot them because it was necessary, he shot them BECAUSE HE COULD.

Don't kid yourself- dropping their stolen goods wouldn't have changed anything.
In fact, we only have their MURDERER'S "word" that they didn't do that.

And that's the same murderer who also claims they were "threatening him" while
they were unarmed and had their backs turned. :eyes:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:08 AM
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30. Old Joe shot them because it made him feel GOOD. He felt like a big
shot (please excuse the pun) and a tough guy. Worthless shitstain on the underwear of humanity didn't care that he was taking the LIVES OF TWO HUMAN BEINGS. They're dead and what the fuck did he care? He was Dirty Harry and killing those two guys made his day.

He was a sneak and a coward who shot two human beings in the back for sport and to stroke his own pathetically lacking ego.

May he rot in prison for decades. He represents what has gone wrong with this country and the people in it.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:03 AM
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29. If I've ever been robbed??? At approximately 8:00 p.m. in the parking
lot of the friggin Hy Vee Store on 24th and Vinton. Every penny I had for bills (fell asleep and didn't make it to the utilites companies, so I just went to the store).

Don't tell me about being robbed.
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:40 PM
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7. Neither do I,
but then I also don't believe death is an appropriate punishment for that particular crime.

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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:12 AM
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31. Those two guys broke into Joe Horn's house?!?
That's a new tidbit to this story that I was not aware of.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:03 PM
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18. Right. So threatening murder seems to be a good response.
Makes so much sense.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:22 PM
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23. Well, it's certainly WORSE than putting words in other people's mouths, if that's any comfort. nm
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:35 PM
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3. More proof that the criminals are in charge.
They have more rights than we do now.
Intimidation is legal, hell, it's encouraged!
Haven't you been paying attention the last 6 years!?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:35 PM
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4. not good at all.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:40 PM
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8. Parlock?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:41 PM
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9. i thougth Karl Rove's playbook as well, anything is possible and nothing would surprise me.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:01 PM
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14. That occurred to me.
A sympathy play, maybe.

But, you know the people he killed probably had friends and family who, understandably, would be very upset by this. Most likely, one of them wasn't thinking straight and did this.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:25 PM
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24. In this day and age, it's a very real possibility.
It happens every day, on every level of information-input.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:34 AM
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36. Same thinking here--sympathy play. nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:49 PM
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10. This isn't something to take likely but this dumb mofo will probably
get picked up tomorrow. Doesn't he know they can trace his phone call?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:56 PM
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12. It's wrong, but from his point of view
It treats him the way he treated others. But I bet he objects in his own case.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:02 PM
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16. Vigilantism.
:shrug:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:26 PM
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25. and it just keep the cycle of violence going.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:58 PM
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13. Another good reason to stay out of other people's business. If someone is not a threat to kill
me, I'm not shooting, not calling the police, nothing. Just mind my own business.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:02 PM
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15. Well, I sure as hell wouldn't want you is a neighbor.
Calling the police is something you could do as a common courtesy.
Jeez.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:07 PM
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20. You could still call the police and do your part. nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:10 PM
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22. i called the police last year and i asked them not to come to my office "We will not"
and they did not but they did arrest 3 people for the thing i called about. Were they a threat to me---no, but they were doing something to the cars on my street.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:34 PM
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27. Well, I can honestly say that I wouldn't want to live in a world full of RGBolens...
...but I can also say that such a world would be INFINITELY
preferable to a world full of Joe Horns! :toast:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:03 PM
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17. Latin Kings? n/t
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:05 PM
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19. the guys he shot weren't burglars!!!
they were installers from best buy who were just there to exchange a home theater system for a new one!!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:29 PM
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26. Your sarcasm is duly noted. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:35 PM
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28. Not good. It sounds like there's some kind of crime ring involved.
I hope no one else gets hurt.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:25 AM
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32. I'm skeptical..
.... gangs don't issue threats, they just do it.

In fact, most people who actually would do it would not not issue a threat.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:11 AM
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37. That's what I'm thinking.
This cat that called in the threat is an idiot. I think we (or at least the cops) will find out who this guy is.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:29 AM
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33. They're just following Joe's lead. If he can be judge, jury, and executioner, so can they.
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:31 AM
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34. Oh for heavens sake. Please be calm. How many other death threats
have been thrown around in every direction?

Careful where we all let hysteria take us all, take a collective deep breath.

Calling Lou what's his name. Right up his ally
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:12 AM
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38. I am calm.
I am just informing the DU public on this case.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:06 AM
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35. When one allows society to fall into vigilantiism, this sort of thing happens.
According to many folks here, the answer to all sorts of
problems lies in their hand(gun). This is just the next
logical extension of that theory.

A murderer appears to be about to go free, so...

Tesha
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