Bush didn't know, Hayden is confused, Pelosi did it!

Hayden says the videotapping stopped in 2002

So let me get this straight: Bush didn't know, they stopped video taping in 2002, but according the to BS WaPo story the admin shared a virtual video design of their technique with Pelosi, who gave the WH a nod of approval on torture after the fact?



Edited word!

Just believe Bush. Take all of it at face value.

And, oh -- don't donate any money to Nancy Pelosi's campaign.

out the middlewoman.

Glad to see you have kept your wits about you while others have clearly lost their minds.

the same as these people.

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What remains to be determined is "What did the Bush junta actually inform Congress." Did they in fact commit a crime, Obstruction of Congress?

FROM: Bush Junta Lied About War Crimes to The World, the Courts, ALL Except Pelosi - That's LOL Moranic
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I think I found THE way of summing up the torture revelations.

It really is this simple. Bush has been lying, lying, and lying some more. He lied to the American People, to the World, denying the USA tortures and his war crimes.
The Junta has been busy lying too, to the courts about torture and about the evidence of the war crime, about the existence of video tapes of waterboarding.

What are the legal consequences of the perjury to the courts and the obstruction of justice. These revelations may overturn the cases against Zacarias Moussaui and Jose Padilla, not a small consequence, and the repercussions just spread from there to all cases where interrogations occurred.

So, Bush's lies were covering up perjury and obstruction of justice, and evidence of torture and war crimes. What else? The evidence was also sought by the 9/11 Commission. No doubt there is more to come still. Major players like Harriet Meirs were involved.

That is a brief summary of the import of what this newest scandal entails. Very serious and numerous crimes leading right to the President of the United States, and very impeachable crimes at that.

NOW, who would like to claim that, with all this lying going on, someone was running over to Capital Hill to fully inform Dem leaders about all this impeachable criminality? Come on, step right up and claim this moranic distinct. Own this idea! Anyone? Oh, come on. WA Post? Anyone at all?

I just transcends all reason to think that the Bush Junta, like faithful Catholics, were confessing their crimes against humanity to Dem leaders, admitting their perjury, obstruction of justice, war crimes, admitting all the lying, admitting impeachable offenses to Pelosi, Harman, Rockefeller.

Anyone falling for this scenario truly, truly deserves the distinction of being called a moran. :rofl:

We have over a YEARs evidence of watching the collusion of Grandma Nancy and Harry with this corrupt administration.

Hell, wait a couple weeks and watch them hand them the money to keep on killing Iraqis.

It's coming. YOU KNOW it is.

call me delusional?

I for one would have loved to seen mounting pressure on our leaders to hold the Bush admin accountable over the past few days.

Is that how the Pelosi is complicit folks feel when they divert their attention from Bush and his cabal to the Democrats: warm and happy inside?

...in order to see the big picture. You?

I'm reading the Bush and Pelosi threads, responding in both. The Pelosi is complicit folks mostly avoid the Bush threads. If they comment, it's to make the claim that, well, Pelosi is complicit.

Look, Bush**'s transgressions are expected, commonplace. No less infuriating, but nothing unusual, especially since justice isn't being pursued. It's NOT expected of people we're supposed to believe are the GOOD GUYS. That doesn't mean we're letting Bush** off the hook. The sooner you and others figure that out and start acknowledging there's more than one side to this problem, the better for the country.

see this.

Why don't you answer my question?

edit to add: the question is, can you focus on more than one thing at a time? Can you see that Pelosi could have spoken up about what she knew the CIA was doing before now, and because she (and other Dems) didn't, people are legitimately angry?

I've got other things to do. I'll be back later.

They're focusing on the tapes' destruction, not on the illegal interrogation practices they were shown and went along with. I watched Jay Rockefeller look like a deer in the headlights on Sunday--he contradicted himself several times. Not good.

Yeah, that's what DU's been saying since Friday: it's ALL Pelosi's fault! :rofl:

Get a grip.

as WaPo?

What's funny is that you see DU in the OP!

Now as for your "get a grip" comment, I can say the same about the gullibility (and desperation) being displayed here.

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As for the rest see the post below. Now be honest, are you trying to skew what I'm saying because the OP threw you for a loop?

It's about the parts of it you refuse to believe, even though Pelosi's own statement makes it clear that in 2002-03 she and Harman knew and disapproved of the interrogation techniques being employed by the CIA.

Pelosi's statement say's nothing about witnessing waterboarding. Any claim that it does is misleading.

Full statement.

Faced with the WaPo article, if I were Pelosi and hadn't witnessed waterboarding, I would have said so. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you have said, "WTF? I didn't see any waterboarding! I'm going to release a statement stating unequivocally the WaPo article is WRONG!"

Pelosi is an accomplice!

WTF? Indeed!

...of witnessing waterboarding? You keep moving the goal posts.

Pelosi admits in her statement that she was briefed on interrogation techniques the administration was considering using. According to her, the next she learns, Harman is sending a stroppy letter of protest to the CIA after her own briefing on the techniques. Pelosi concurred with that letter.

In what world does that mean Pelosi didn't know about and disapprove of the CIA's interrogation techniques, and what might those techniques be if not those that equate to TORTURE? And if she didn't speak up, how does that not make her complicit?

You said:



I responded:



Now, are you saying by the above that she is not an accomplice? And if she is not, what's with comments like this:



You have already assigned guilt to her in that comment!

Honestly, your passionate desire to defend Pelosi has blinded you to your illogic. You're a brick wall surrounding a circuitous course. I won't follow you around it anymore. Indulge yourself. It won't change facts. Pelosi is complicit by knowing and not speaking up. The WaPo article may not be all true, but she confirmed the salient portions of it with her statement.

Is it because she's a Dem or because she's a woman?

Whatever the case, get off it. Demand that this shell of a human explain why the hell she's gone to such great lengths to destroy our country.

Nancy Pelosi is an adult!

You really are desperate aren't you?

The lunacy is not so obvious to some!

Nancy Pelosi has destroyed our country.

What exactly did you think our country was if not the Constitution?

Why do you support a viscous war criminal who took our Constitution off the table in order to protect herself from it?

Why do you treat Nancy Pelosi like a small child?

Spewing nonsense doesn't change reality!

She should be tried the same as the rest of them.

Those with inside info on their own crimes are the ones most worried about their demise and the implications of it, a Pelosi Presidency.

There is a concerted swiftboating campaign of a potential Democratic president, no different that Kerry's swiftboating or the Arkansas Project.

You'll support a holocaust in Iraq. You'll allow the government to spy on me. You'll allow the government to torture me.

How did you get to be like this?

committed these crimes be held accountable, we have no clue what was shown or said to Pelosi, Harman, Rockefeller and whoever else about this whole thing about torture, so can we adjust our flamethrowers down a little bit, as much as I want to see these thugs pay, how do we know what was said to Pelosi or any of them. Just my opinion.

...because Harman sent the CIA a classified letter "to protest the use of such (interrogation) techniques" and Pelosi concurred with it.

FACTS are by definition TRUE. Statements that are FALSE cannot be FACTS other than the FACT that they are FALSE, which is descriptive of their nature, not nominative of their definition.

Whew.

,...she'd be damned for doing it or doing it too late or doing it too early or doing it too weak.

The right wing spin machine is effective in scraping all the shit off the CRIMINALS and throwing it onto all others.

Works, every damn time. AT this point, I almost feel like,...we just have to get better at the game they have imposed. But, I don't want to BE like them.

I wish we would simply make 'justice' a top priority.

Wake up!