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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:58 PM
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Intelligence oversight is broken
Whatever else one might say about America's accident-prone intelligence agencies, it seems clear that the system of congressional oversight that was established in the mid 1970s to supervise them isn't working.

Right now, we are getting the worst possible mix - a dearth of adequate congressional scrutiny on the front end that could improve performance and check abuses, and a flood of second guessing at the back end, after each flap, that further demoralizes and enfeebles the spies. Congress silently blesses the CIA's harsh interrogation tactics, for example, and then denounces the practices when they become public.

It's supposed to be the other way around: When the Senate and House intelligence committees were created in 1975 after the exposure of wrongdoing, the premise was that Congress would provide an independent but discreet arm of accountability. Elected officials were to be briefed on the dirty business, with the understanding that they would maintain the same bonds of secrecy as the intelligence community itself.

The intelligence committees were meant to be bipartisan. And to avoid the usual congressional logrolling, they weren't permanent committees at first. Back then, the congressional leadership expected it would be difficult to get anyone to serve very long on the intelligence panels, because the members wouldn't be able to talk about what they did.

Congressional oversight of intelligence was a radical idea. Some experts questioned whether it was realistic to ask elected officials to sign off on the work of intelligence agencies - which, when you strip away all the high-minded language, basically involves the systematic violation of other countries' laws. Intelligence agencies steal other nations' secrets, bribe their officials into committing treason, intercept their most private conversations. And that's just the easy, noncontroversial stuff. We haven't gotten to interrogation techniques.

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:21 PM
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1. Oh, no. The oversight is there.
They're just smiling and nodding as their bank accounts swell.

Remember: "The United States does not torture!"
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:33 PM
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2. His summary hits it on the head
"the retroactive blame game masquerading as accountability"
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:43 PM
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3. good point
but he misses part of it, too, here:

The CIA makes too many mistakes. It is too cautious and bureaucratic. It tolerates too much mediocrity. But looking at the process of oversight - the retroactive blame game masquerading as accountability - is it any wonder that the CIA needs help? This process is broken, and the next administration should think creatively about how to fix it.


The CIA does not make mistakes, as far as my studies of them in the past have suggested. All is well in Bushco's world- the CIA, who was not "allowed" to practice their peculiar art forms domestically, are able to do so now(openly). Domestic spying and extra-legal arrests have occurred, and no mobs with torches and pitchforks yet.

The blame game is simply a polite fiction- no one sees any problems with what they are doing, but we must keep the masses happy and brainwashed, ne?
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:58 PM
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4. You're right
We know this admin is the most secretive in history, which is cause to ponder ‘Why do we believe we publicly discussing the alleged internal faults of an intelligence agency?’
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:14 PM
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5. Exactly
My POV on all of this is based on the idea that they can keep anything secret(Killing people to keep them silent wouldn't make these people flinch), and that when they talk about "incompetence", they are referring to policy that they know would outrage us if we knew it(Katrina, for instance).

Given these facts, that they are talking about this at all is...peculiar.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:26 PM
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6. Frank Church is rolling over in his grave.
:grr: :puke:

The corruption of the CIA was predominantly accomplished by Poppy Bush, finally converting it primarily to industrial espionage while preserving regime change covert ops in the 1989-1992 timeframe.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:18 PM
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8. To create the appearance of a gentler and kinder America
there may be a Church-lite committee in our future.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:27 PM
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7. it's non-existent
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