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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:30 PM
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nice trip: "CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE"
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 08:14 PM by kpete
CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
by redstatehatemonitor
Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 04:21:00 PM PST

I'll have some more on this very soon in fact I've already got some new information I just have to put it all together.

third trip back is the charm - this is a masterpiece....or is it?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/12/19210/608/933/420107
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:35 PM
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1. If ONLY I saw more evidence of karmic-like events,...
,...I'd feel a greater sense of comfort!

;)
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:38 PM
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2. make it happen
then, YOU become the evidence.

"karmic-like events" would be a great name for a painting. Can I use it?

kpete
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:42 PM
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3. You betcha',...
,...fellow artistic kindred spirit!!! O8)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:45 PM
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4. well, I just don't know what to say here
:rofl: :rofl:
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:46 PM
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5. that
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 07:47 PM by kpete
was MY reaction too, kp

...........but, then I went back and had a completely different reaction.....
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:47 PM
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6. I guess the Bushistas are that proverbial old dog that can't learn any new tricks.
Still running the same old scams from their Iran-Contra days.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:48 PM
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7. peace
is it always going to be TOO much to ask for?


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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:23 PM
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11. Yes, if you're asking a neocon.
x(
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:22 PM
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34. There's no money in peace...
Not for the evil and greedy, anyway. Those of us who understand the "wealth" that comes with peace generally have no desire for the other kind of wealth.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:33 PM
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13. Seriously!!! They and "theirs" are a fucking cancer on this country,...
,...with the power to wage a death sentence, at will.

WHEN is that cancer going to be,...merely acknowledged (let alone, CURED).

*sigh*

This shit must be purged, once and for all!!!

No wonder. No damn wonder this country and the world is such a mess.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:07 PM
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8. Sounds like somebody had a bad trip.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:09 PM
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9. Seriously?
It's like Iran/Contra all over again. Although I'm not surprised. Same cast of characters.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:17 PM
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10. Well now, isn't that interesting?
I feel like I've gone back in time.

Kpete thanks for the post and please update with further information when you get it.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:24 PM
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12. OLD NEWS: crash landed on September 24, 2007
"Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007" and, the plane had several title transfers after used for renditions.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:33 PM
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14. calm down coyote
I like the pics, the graphic with letters in between. I am a visual learner, It clicked.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:06 PM
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18. kpete, check out this thread about the cocaine plane...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1927518

Some of the folks who participated in this thread did some great research. Check out the posts by DrDebug, bobthedrummer, seemslikeadream, flyarm and many others...

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:19 AM
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29. DrDebug, he's the best
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:20 AM by seemslikeadream
:hi:









DEAD BECAUSE OF A LIE
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:46 AM
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32. He ranks right up there with you in my book.... DU is loaded with talented people
The things I've learned here.. you couldn't buy an education like this at ANY school or university....

:hi:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:42 PM
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15. that's what my local Kroger calls a twofer
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:58 AM
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26. DUzy! /nt
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:55 PM
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16. Oooooh YEAH!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:55 PM
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17. Everyone should read William Blum: "CIA and Drugs"
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/CIADrugs_WBlum.html

A Brief History of CIA Involvement in Drug Trafficking

1947 to 1951, France

CIA arms, money, and disinformation enabled Corsican criminal syndicates in Marseille to wrestle control of labor unions from the Communist Party. The Corsicans gained political influence and control over the docks -- ideal conditions for cementing a long-term partnership with mafia drug distributors, which turned Marseille into the postwar heroin capital of the Western world. Marseille's first heroin laboratories were opened in 1951, only months after the Corsicans took over the waterfront.{3}

Early 1950s, Southeast Asia

The Nationalist Chinese army, organized by the CIA to wage war against Communist China, became the opium barons of The Golden Triangle (parts of Burma, Thailand and Laos), the world's largest source of opium and heroin. Air America, the CIA's principal airline proprietary, flew the drugs all over Southeast Asia.{4}

1950s to early 1970s, Indochina

During U.S. military involvement in Laos and other parts of Indochina, Air America flew opium and heroin throughout the area. Many GI's in Vietnam became addicts. A laboratory built at CIA headquarters in northern Laos was used to refine heroin. After a decade of American military intervention, Southeast Asia had become the source of 70 percent of the world's illicit opium and the major supplier of raw materials for America's booming heroin market.{5}

1973-80, Australia

The Nugan Hand Bank of Sydney was a CIA bank in all but name. Among its officers were a network of US generals, admirals and CIA men, including former CIA Director William Colby, who was also one of its lawyers. With branches in Saudi Arabia, Europe, Southeast Asia, South America and the U.S., Nugan Hand Bank financed drug trafficking, money laundering and international arms dealings. In 1980, amidst several mysterious deaths, the bank collapsed, $50 million in debt.{6}

1970s and 1980s, Panama

For more than a decade, Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega was a highly paid CIA asset and collaborator, despite knowledge by U.S. drug authorities as early as 1971 that the general was heavily involved in drug trafficking and money laundering. Noriega facilitated "guns-for-drugs" flights for the Contras, providing protection and pilots, as well as safe havens for drug cartel officials, and discreet banking facilities.

U.S. officials, including then-CIA Director William Webster and several DEA officers, sent Noriega letters of praise for efforts to thwart drug trafficking (albeit only against competitors of his Medellin Cartel patrons). When a confluence of circumstances led to Noriega's political luck running out, the Bush administration was reluctantly obliged to turn against him, invading Panama in December 1989, kidnapping the general, and falsely ascribing the invasion to the war on drugs. Ironically, drug trafficking through Panama was not abated after the US invasion.{7}

1980s, Central America

Obsessed with overthrowing the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua, Reagan administration officials tolerated drug trafficking as long as the traffickers gave support to the Contras. In 1989, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations (the Kerry committee) concluded a three-year investigation by stating: "There was substantial evidence of drug smuggling through the war zones on the part of individual Contras, Contra suppliers, Contra pilots, mercenaries who worked with the Contras, and Contra supporters throughout the region. ... U.S. officials involved in Central America failed to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war efforts against Nicaragua. ... In each case, one or another agency of the U.S. government had information regarding the involvement either while it was occurring, or immediately thereafter. ... Senior U.S. policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems."{8}

In Costa Rica, which served as the "Southern Front" for the Contras (Honduras being the Northern Front), there were several different CIA-Contra networks involved in drug trafficking, including that of CIA operative John Hull, whose farms along Costa Rica's border with Nicaragua were the main staging area for the Contras. Hull and other CIA-connected Contra supporters and pilots teamed up with George Morales, a major Miami-based Colombian drug trafficker who later admitted to giving $3 million in cash and several planes to Contra leaders.{9}

In 1989, after the Costa Rica government indicted Hull for drug trafficking, a DEA-hired plane clandestinely and illegally flew him to Miami, via Haiti. The US repeatedly thwarted Costa Rican efforts to extradite Hull back to Costa Rica to stand trial.{10}

Another Costa Rican-based drug ring involved a group of Cuban Americans whom the CIA had hired as military trainers for the Contras. Many had long been involved with the CIA and drug trafficking. They used Contra planes and a Costa Rican-based shrimpcompany, which laundered money for the CIA, to move cocaine to the U.S.{11}

Costa Rica was not the only route. Other way stations along the cocaine highway -- and closely associated with the CIA -- were the Guatemalan military intelligence service,which harbored many drug traffickers, and Ilopango Air Force Base in El Salvador, a key component of the U.S. military intervention against the country's guerrillas.{12}

The Contras provided both protection and infrastructure (planes, pilots, airstrips, warehouses, front companies and banks) to these CIA-linked drug networks. At least four transport companies under investigation for drug trafficking received US government contracts to carry non-lethal supplies to the Contras.{13}

Southern Air Transport, "formerly" CIA-owned, and later under Pentagon contract, was involved in the drug running as well.{14} Cocaine-laden planes flew to Florida, Texas, Louisiana and other locations, including several military bases. Designated as "Contra Craft," these shipments were not to be inspected. When some authority wasn't clued in and made an arrest, powerful strings were pulled on behalf of dropping the case, acquittal, reduced sentence, or deportation.{15}

1980s to early 1990s, Afghanistan

CIA-supported Moujahedeen rebels engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The Agency's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and leading heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan-Pakistan border. The output provided up to one half of the heroin used annually in the United States and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. US officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation because of a desire not to offend their Pakistani and Afghan allies.{16} In 1993, an official of the DEA called Afghanistan the new Colombia of the drug world.{17}

Mid-1980s to early 1990s, Haiti

While working to keep key Haitian military and political leaders in power, the CIA turned a blind eye to their clients' drug trafficking. In 1986, the Agency added some more names to its payroll by creating a new Haitian organization, the National Intelligence Service (SIN). SIN was purportedly created to fight the cocaine trade, though SIN officers themselves engaged in the trafficking, a trade aided and abetted by some of the Haitian military and political leaders.{18}


Also highly recommend Peter Dale Scott's works on CIA drug trafficing in SE Asia and Central America.

CIA and drug running is an old story, a complex story and an ongoing story.

sw

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:17 AM
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28. and don't forget Gary Webb's book: Dark Alliance
he died for the CIA's sins... "suicide," indeed.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:46 PM
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35. Absolutely -- thanks for bringing it up! (nt)
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:11 PM
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19. Crashed September 24, 2007
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:28 PM
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20. Here's my contribution to this black budget operation story-a Wally post
"University of Wisconsin-Madison alumnus Wallace J. Hilliard, his associates & family merit a post"
(posted 8-18-2007 in an informative active parent thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683#21906

I incorrectly refer to American Medical Supply/AMS in that post-it should be American Medical Security/AMS.

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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:30 PM
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21. kick and rec'd
for the Iran like contra of the past. They DO have their nerve.
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:30 PM
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22. This story
has GOT to go out front BIG TIME. K&R
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:43 PM
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23. .
:kick:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:39 AM
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24. kick
What an opportune time for this story to resurface. I know it's only been a few months since the crash but interest in this tale never quite reached the fever pitch I had hoped. I hope for many things. :)
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:48 AM
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25. The poor cocaine... n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:59 AM
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27. Yeah...I know...Pretty typical if ya ask me. /nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:29 AM
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30. These days anyone who demands the truth
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/12/19210/608/933/420107

These days anyone who demands the truth is labeled a wacky conspiracy theorist or a traitor so the result has been a reluctant group of journalists who have allowed themselves more or less to be bullied into silence by the facist inclined Bush administration.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:32 AM
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31. Read "Politics of Heroin in SE Asia." Alfred McCoy to give you some
historical perspective.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:19 PM
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33. We need to just disband the fucking CIA
What value have they added? They missed the collapse of the Soviet Union, for fuck's sake.
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