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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:42 PM
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Keep in Mind There are Angry Repubs Out There Who Will Vote For Edwards....
There are lots of angry Repubs who see the massive growth of bureaucracy and spending of Government by the Bush Administration. They have seen the massive giveaways to corporate interests, and the infringement on our constitutional rights, engagement in torture and extraordinary rendition.

Edwards can reach these voters in the General Election.

National Cross-sectional Polling(Dems/Repubs/Independents/Undecideds/Unaffiliateds) continues to show that Edwards would do best against Repub Frontrunners in the General Election.

We absolutely need to put a Democrat in the Oval Office. But we also need to elect a Democrat who will fight for all of us against the power of the entrenched corporate interests.
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poetsandpatriots Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:45 PM
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1. look who's in bed
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:53 PM
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2. that's why a LOT of democrats
who go to the blogs and boards inherently understand-he's the most electable....did I say that right? Anyway we think he can win...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:54 PM
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3. You got it right! Edwards is most 'electable.' n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:56 PM
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4. rock musicians
should never try and play classical...
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:57 PM
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5. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!
You really believe this?

You don't know any Republicans, do you?

They think he's a flake.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:01 PM
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6. You live in a bubble.... there are lots of Repubs Angry with Bush who will vote for Edwards.
You just really hate Edwards and you are letting it cloud your judgment.

Deep down even you know this is all true about Edwards, and it sticks in your craw.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:13 PM
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7. Hillary & Obama will get beat by the republicans....
Either of them getting the nomination is a Republican's wet dream.

Edwards will bury any republican he runs against, and he actually will bring our government back to 'We The People.' The other two have already been bought and paid for.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:19 PM
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9. DING!DING!DING!
I couldn't agree more!
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:16 PM
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8. I agree, after what I heard from Edwards today with respect to really taking on...
Washington DC corruption and the corporate SOB's that are indirectly responsible for that corruption I believe that he will get the nod.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:50 PM
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12. Projection, Clarkie
Take your snide down a notch or two, and pay attention to what's REALLY happening.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head, demanding that you like Edwards. BUT, it's most helpful to this country if you engage in reality.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL! yer own self.... see how silly that is?
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:11 PM
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20. I Know More Than a Few
non-insane republicans and they all
like Edwards over the GOP offerings.

You obviously have a real bias against Edwards.
It's your right, of course, but I don't give a s**t.
So, I'll exercise my rights, hit the button
and ignore your negative blathering henceforth.
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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:40 AM
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27. I know several avowed "Bush-ies"...
And they are quite intrigued by Edwards' campaign. And they have expressed that they would likely vote for Edwards in the general election over any of the current Republican candidates.

The funny thing to me is that they don't seem to get how liberal Edwards' platform and stances are! The pro-labor and populist stances seem to overwhelm their notions of a Democratic candidate as a "tax-and-spender liberal"...
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:54 AM
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33. The right-wingest guy I know falls exactly into the OP's category. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:34 PM
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10. not by the time the RNC, 527s and repuke nominee
paint him as a flip flopping, hypocrite. Here's a couple of the ads they'll run.

Suburban women talking in school parking lot- standing outside their SUVs:

Woman 1: John Edwards says he's for the working and middle class. He says we should sacrifice and not drive SUVs for the sake of the environment.

Woman 2: I know, but have you seen where he lives?



Voice over: John Edwards lives in a 28,000 sq ft mansion with indoor swimming pool and basketball court that costs (xxxx) in monthly electricity bills, yet he wants you to sacrifice.

Then there will be the hedge funds ads that detail tax loopholes for the very wealthy, and haircut ads, and ads about his Senate record and his positions now.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:51 PM
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13. Have you been hired already?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:55 PM
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16. Just pointing out what should be obvious
any dem will be hit with shit like this- tailored to their individual perceived weaknesses. It's foolish to pretend that Edwards doesn't have some pretty obvious weaknesses. And futhermore, he won't have the money to frame himself positively, in response.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:58 PM
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17. Hope you get paid well.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:02 PM
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18. Is that the best you can do? A lame and unimaginative
ad hominem? How... unsurprising.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:12 PM
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21. Projection.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 06:23 PM by bobbolink
We're all so VERY surprised when you post another Edwards attack.

Why, we're just caught unawares, and taken breathless by it.

And, all those attacks are so ORIGINAL.

:eyes:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:12 PM
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23. LOL!
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:11 PM
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22. BINGO!!!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:35 AM
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26. Could you imagine the Hillary ads????
Hillary wakes up in the morning, kicks the two strippers Bill picked up the night before out of bed then, because she has PMS, fires half the staff, has a political liability snuffed and bombs a small country before breakfast.

Or Barack Obama, with his homies and hos in the WahHizzy, toting semi-automatic weapons, smoking blunts and crack, eating gubmint cheese and swilling 40s out of brown paper bags while playing Grand Theft Auto?

And why are those upper-middle-class biotches standing around in a parking lot when they should be at work like everyone else's mom? Why do they own five bedroom homes, a timeshare at the beach and a cabin in the mountains when they only have two kids, put their parents in a nursing home and never see their husbands 'cause they're working too hard to keep their bulimic wives in designer clothes and high-end SUVs? They're bitter 'cause they didn't marry John Edwards and their Mexican gardener's are lousy, selfish lovers.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:06 AM
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29. sure I can imagine the Clinton ads but they won't be anything
like what you've pictured. The repukes will use dog whistle politics with either Clinton or Obama should one of them get the nomination. What you're suggesting would backfire on a nuclear level.

The ads against Clinton would link her to her husband and suggest constantly that she's weak on defense. The ads against Obama would focus on his perceived lack of experience. Both will be attacked for being irresponsible big gov't spenders.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:37 AM
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31. Edwards can create a positive message about his wealth:
First, it shows that he will fight on behalf of the common people, he will not give into corporate interests: Edwards earned his wealth by fighting corporate powers and winning money FOR people who had been hurt and he will just keep fighting corporate interests when he is in office.

Second, John's life shows what can happen when America supports ALL of its citizens. Because his father's union was strong and college was affordable John could work his way through college and law school.

All of the points you raise ARE important and the campaign must create positive messages about each:

Trippi should have John do commercials while he stands in front of the house with Elizabeth and the kids and talks about family & home -- and include his extended family and guests -- it isn't just a big house, it is their home.

Haircut - covered - John Edwards - Hair

They are currently seeking certification for energy efficiency of their home -- Gore's home just qualified as "Gold" and the Edwards' family needs to do the same.

The ads about his Senate record & his positions now can be framed as being a change similar to the change in national opinion over the same time frame.

Clinton & Obama are sitting Senators -- when is the last time that a sitting Senator has won the White House?
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:40 PM
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11. Suggestions for bumpersticker/sign about this aspect of his message
The repubs, I think starting with Reagan, spouted that government should be run like a business. That sounded okay until the corporate greed of the 80s, the massive layoffs, CEO mega-million-dollar bonuses, Enron, Halliburton, etc., etc.

How to encapsulate that message of do you still want a government run like a business?

His anti-corporate message is why I'm completely on board with Edwards.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:53 PM
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14. I know several of those Republicans who like Edwards, and yes, they will vote for him.
They've been watching and listening.

They don't like what they've been offered on "their" side.

And they're mad as hell.

Yes, they will show up to vote for Edwards.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:55 PM
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15. Happily giving the 5th rec!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:04 PM
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19. Not the Republicans that I know and some of them did vote
for Democrats in '06.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:34 PM
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24. Yes, there are
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:35 PM by frogmarch
and they'll help spread the word that he's the best candidate to turn things around for the best.

Edited to add K&R
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:02 AM
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25. Joe Biden would do at least as well....
If those same Republicans had a chance to find out who he is.

For some reason the MSM isn't saying much about Biden.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:40 AM
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28. You betcha
I know a cranky old Republican Faux news watcher who supports Edwards on the strength of his positions on labor. This guy regularly send out emails slandering Hillary, but will support Edwards.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:52 AM
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30. It's Interesting That The Official CNN Panelists Merely Mentioned Edwards In Passing Yesterday...
... and then when they consulted their Undecided Democrats Panel they found that Edwards won over the largest percentage of those Panel Members.

I can see where CNN will be 'forced' to cover Edwards in a way other than an afterthought the closer we get to the Caucuses.

The question is Who will ask them why they failed to cover Edwards more leading up to the Iowa Caucuses after Edwards wins?

The old CNN coverage limited to just 'Hillary v. Obama' is going to look pretty lame for the 'best political team on television' when Edwards wins.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:34 AM
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32. Edwards seems the most electable to me, too.
I like the way he fights back. When he does it, he doesn't seem rattled or desperate, but still passionate. He's a lawyer, not someone who just has a degree, but someone who actually fought and won against big sleazy mofos. I think he knows a thing or two about how to prepare for battles.

Out of the three frontrunners, he would definitely be the one to pick up the most pub votes.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:30 PM
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34. that's it! " he doesn't seem rattled or desperate, but still passionate. "
He's found himself and hit his stide.
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