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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:54 PM
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Is the American middle class in the cross hairs of a plot to loot our wealth?
So in this September DU post by Ghost in the Machine about the crashed CIA drug plane I came across a very interesting response by AikidoSoul (#155) about his/her time in Honduras. A snippet about the deliberate devaluation of the Honduran currency caught my interest:

It was another U.S. instigated horror (purposeful devaluation of the Honduran Lempira currency with the prior knowledge of the rich elite -- who used this knowledge to kill off the middle class. Rich Honduran elites purchased millions of $$$ and stored them in Miami banks so they could swoop down on the newly evolved middle class that was wiped out by the Honduran currency devaluation. These predators fed on the new struggling middle class like vultures, buying up their new businesses and homes for pennies because the evolving middle class could no longer afford them.

We knew about this because a very rich Honduran (our landlord) told us how he had taken all his Lempira and purchased U.S. dollars and then put his dollars safely in Miami banks ...just like the rest of the very rich Hondurans. These creeps had all been alerted about this plan. He talked blithely about it because he thought we were in on it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1927518


A little research tells the story further…

From a 1986 exchange between then Honduran Ambassador and neo-con criminal scum John Negroponte and Edward R. F. Sheehan of the New York Review of Books:

As for the Honduran currency, it is a known (and published) fact that for many months the US embassy in Tegucigalpa has been urging the Honduran government to devalue its currency…

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/5093


And this... from a 1985 report by the Heritage Foundation, clearly not aware that they were spilling the beans on what would become a major U.S. Banking industry assisted looting of the Honduran middle class:

Honduran businessmen, fearful that regional strife will engulf their country, have exacerbated the economic crisis by sending their money abroad--usually to Miami or New Orleans.

This group has joined opposition political parties in blaming the Suazo government for the International Monetary Fund's September 1983 ruling that Honduras is out of compliance with its debt renegotiation agreement. The IMF, among other things, demanded currency devaluation and harsher austerity measures. To force the Hondurans to comply with such belt tightening measures, the U.S. is holding back $72.5 million in assistance. The Suazo government, however, argues that compliance with these demands will damage seriously the country's progress toward democracy.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/LatinAmerica/bg412.cfm


So my question - in light of recent predictions of between a 50% and 90% decline in the U.S. Dollar, and in light of the fact that all the same clowns are pulling the strings - are we seeing the same set-up by the same players for the same game? And this time is it us – the American working and middle class – in the cross hairs?

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:57 PM
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1. In a word, yes.
The American people are merely a commodity to the power brokers. Do you really think they give a damn about any of us? Greed trumps everything.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:12 PM
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6. A commodity? Why do I feel more like quarry?
:(
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:57 PM
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2. They want to bankrupt the nation and destroy social secuirty
and they are raiding the Pension funds and bankrupting them

and causing Americans to not have any place to go with their money except lose it

its all a shell game
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:05 AM
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9. shell game
but the big banks will just get out of Dollars and ultimately be fine even though they caused this shit.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:04 PM
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3. yes.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:04 PM
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4. Is there even a middle class left?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:04 PM
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5. They going to take it all.
All we'll have left is our guns and ammunition. What ever will we doooooo?

I hear Bush is going to move to a 900,000 acre ranch in Paraguay. Let's see... That's 1406.25 square miles that will need to be de-foliated and sewn with land mines. Let's hope he gets it done while his security costs on the US tax payer.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:14 PM
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7. The 'middle class' has wealth??
:wtf:

I thought they'd been wiped out ... I think they almost are at this point.
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Trailrider1951 Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:15 PM
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8. You betcha! Right now, I'm making what in 1980 was a middle-class
salary. Too bad I'm now paying 2007 prices with it. Gas was $0.59 per gallon, a good mid-sized new car was $5000, my rent on a 2 bedroom apt was $310 for a really nice one. Gawd, I miss those fiscally irresponsible Democrats! :sarcasm:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:11 AM
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10. K&R n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:16 AM
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11. K & R # 5
We've been trying warn them that this is how the game is played for many years, but the sheep never want to acknowledge that they have become mutton. They always have that shocked yet sad look when they start to smell the blood.





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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:18 AM
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12. Two words: Frigging Duh. nm
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:22 AM
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13. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
The short answer is not yes but HELL YES....
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:24 AM
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14. Multiple wartime tax cuts ago, and still going strong. -n/t
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:29 AM
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15. Nice of you all to catch up. I believe those of us saying this in 2000 were called nuts.
Reagan/Bush 1 destruction of the safety net: Bush II destruction of the middle class. Bye bye America hello fascism.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:34 AM
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17. Nobody believed us then. A minimum of 30% of DUers (and maybe as high as 70%)
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:35 AM by tom_paine
STILL refuse to accept the growng evidence.

And the General Population of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika...98-99.95% (somehwer in that range) remain utterly clueless about where this is and must lead.

Just like the 1930s Germans.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:17 PM
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35. You'd think they'd wake up with the Mortgage Meltdown.
But that would require an independent, investigative media to -- oh, look, the new American Idol is on!

:banghead:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:56 AM
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23. Crosshairs? I think they've already pulled the trigger.
We're bleeding out in Michigan.

Code Blue!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:32 AM
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16. Unquestionably. What was once used by Bushies to attack foreign countries
in now their policy to attack and destroy Americas so they can possess unchecked power and wealth like the Latin American brutal tyrannical dictators they love so well.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:35 AM
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18. well. . .
duh!
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:49 AM
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19. K&R n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:57 AM
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20. Money Laundering in Honduras
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 07:59 AM by formercia
During that period (1983), an officer who had just returned from Honduras came to me with a concern that there were shenanigans going on with currency exchange. All officers and staff traveling there were given cash advances in Dollars but when they arrived in Tegucigalpa, the Chief of Station would take them to a store owned by the brother of the chief of the Honduran military and they were told to exchange their Dollars for the local currency at the official exchange rate which was no where near the black market rate. The locals wanted to be paid in dollars because everyone knew what was going on with the ruling class moving all of their money offshore.
I reported it to the Inspector General's office but they came back and said they found no facts to base my claim. It later came out in the news with a picture of the store front where the money was being exchanged. Management was obviously complicit in the dealings.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:03 AM
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21. You're just having a bout of paranoia, my friend.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:29 PM
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28. Hi Perry! I just came across this picture of you...


Let me know if you're interested in some wallet size versions for the kids...
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:43 PM
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31. Riiiiiiiiight. Read "Perfectly Legal" sometime and get back to me.
:eyes:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:04 AM
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22. No, it would be too dangerous for the rich
As long as we have bread and circuses, the rich can enjoy their wealth, but if they hog it all, the masses will be paying attention to them. The rich getting too rich while the poor get too poor brings on revolutions. The poor are too numerous in that instance. The rich require rather than we have just enough to keep us from noticing - we have to be comfortable enough - maybe that's why they allow for it, who knows?

If people can't afford cable and don't have ipods or the internet, they might have nothing to do but plot against the rich.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:32 PM
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29. What if it's just a small group of
the ultra rich? What if they simply plan to move on to another part of the world to continue their exploitation? What if they think a bit more "social control" will mange any dissent when things go really south? Just sayin'.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:17 AM
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24. I don't think it's a conspiracy so much as don't give a toot, as long as they
get all they can.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:47 AM
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25. Yes.
Who do you think they'll tell the freepers and other morons about this when it all comes down?

How funny... you get laughed at for meticulously explaining the details and signs, but then after the worst of your predictions come true, they cry, "Why did no one tell us this could happen? Why didn't anyone DO anything?!?"

Damn morons.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:50 AM
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26. Absolutely
It started with Nixon.

Then Reagan.

Then Bush I.

Now Bush II.

It's really a wonder there is any middle class left.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:51 AM
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27. Double and triple digit inflation will certainly accomplish much of that
...as November reports show the price index rose 8/10 percent for an annualized rate of 10.1%.

Just watch those savings go up in smoke as the middle class struggles to make ends meet.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:42 PM
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30. The American people are giving away their own wealth.
Spending uncontrollably on oil and gas, taking out loans they can't afford. We are and have been living beyond our means and we'll pay for it in the very near future.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:02 PM
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32. True dat
We're easy marks.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:03 PM
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33. Well the poor have been made destitute, so they working their way up
the food chain. Mice and other small critters don't satisfy the hunger pangs anymore.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:44 PM
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34. I'm not seeing much loot there.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:50 PM
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37. OK, let's say upper-middle class
small business owners, unsophisticated stock market investors, etc. There's still a fat pile of loot to be had there IMO.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:29 PM
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36. the IMF requires devaluation of the currency and privatization of utilities
as a matter of course in order to keep the wealthy asskissers in office and screw the middle and lower class out of everything they could possibly have. Does no one read Greg Palast???/ jebusonatricycle, the government of the u. s. of a doesn't give a rats asss about the progress of countries toward democracy, they want to tread on those countries, they want the resources and the futures of them. Democracy is to be a vote that counts by the people, how many assassinations have to happen to those legally elected representatives before we all realize how much blood is on our hands?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:54 PM
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38. yes all true
but is the exact same now being done here, albeit without the need for IMF or World Bank?

Has the Federal Reserve done it (deliberately?) by overprinting and lending Dollars?
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