I love the Democratic Party!

Vote up this thread so all the nay-sayers have to see it on the front page! :party: :toast: :bounce: :woohoo:

You, for trying to use approval of the Democratic Party as a wedge issue, or the gadflies who would consider this a wedge issue.

The status quo people? Not so much.

I abhor the DLC and the people that would sell out all our convictions and positions to the re-pug-niks.

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Internet road-rage is "in season" here at DU and most Boards and Blogs... This too shall pass.........It happens.O8)

The Democratic party is much, much better, though it's a hell of a long way from being perfect, or even reasonably good. In fact, it's a big, clumsy, ramshackle machine made up of a dozen-odd constituencies, many of which are in conflict with each other on central issues. But it still occasionally bears a resemblance to the party of FDR and Jack Kennedy, still occasionally shows a glimmer of conscience and concern for the rule of law, the common good and the plight of "the little guy." Because the Republican party is so utterly morally bankrupt, so entirely the property of corporate money, so happy to sell its soul to fascists, theocrats, racists and homophobes, and because the Democratic party is, for all its failures (many of which are abject, especially lately), the only game in town, I do, sort of, once in a while, not despise the Democratic party (it's also got a few guys like Russ Feingold in it, who actually give a shit about doing the right thing). But I also hate the venal, craven cluelessness of many of its "leaders," who are complicit in every single disaster in which we now find ourselves enmeshed. Love it, hate it, work to make it better.

Just kidding. Beautiful post.

group intent on ruining the Democratic party. What would be their reason? What if they were also intent on ruining the Republican party (of course they wouldn't have a whole lot of work to do there.) One way to do so if such a fantastical interest group did exist would be to propagate the meme that there is no difference between the two parties. It would be wildly successful since ALL propaganda contains an element of truth or fact. That way, well intentioned citizenry could be brought into the fold without even knowing the ultimate goal.

Couldn't be of course. Just fun pondering stuff like that.

I love the Democratic Party! And I want it back from the corporatists and war-promoters who have hijacked it!

Give us back the Party we love!

We want our Party back,

and

our country!

:patriot:

he said, 'I love America, it's Americans I can't stand.' I'm the opposite here - I love Democrats, it's the party I not too crazy about right now'.

Not really.

And by the way, I really don't think the nay-sayers are going to go away because of your blind faith cheerleading.

Where do you find the highest degree of assent here? Is it in threads supporting the status quo, or is it in a "DEM X SUCKS" rage thread?

:thumbsup:

:applause:

Thank you! :pals:

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

The democratic party used to stand up for the ideals and the philosophy that created and fed the democratic party.

This abomination that is called the democratic party today in no way resembles the traditional democratic ideals. Look at the people in "leadership" positions. Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. These people do not hold traditional democratic values at all. They are corporate shills just like the republicans. Look at most of the presidential candidates. They will not even vow to remove troops from Iraq and they will not vow to NOT stay in Iraq permanently. They will not bring an end to the war and they will not ban lobbiests.

Tell me that these people represent the democratic party. That is why I renounced my democratic status and now claim to be an independent. More accurately, I would call myself a progressive.

You can have the old democratic party. I don't want it.

:shrug: And an "Independent" is a fence sitter. Pick a side!

more accurately, I would call myself a progressive. It's hard to cast a primary vote as a progressive. Not that many candidates.

It is obvious to me that you are at peace with the current democratic platforms and policies. That is fine. That is why this used to be a democracy.
It is a democracy no more and those that want to see it restored are demanding change and accountability from our representatives.
Just sayin....

Thank you very much. :-)

platforms and policies.

Join your local club, get elected to the central committe, take part. Write some legislation, find a candidate, work to get her/him in office and pay attention to what they do. THe reason the party was taken over by "those people" is that you didn't get involved.

And yet, I really don't see it happening. In the Chicago area we have this organization named Illinois Dem Net, and we would invite speakers from organizations like People for the American Way to speak at meetups in bars. Issue groups like that seem to always have something they want to do and need people to do them, or even just money to do them. If there is lukewarm support for a particular initiative, I think people here should try to push that issue and get more people to support it, and then the politicians could win with them. Take abortion for example: a very controversial issue, but the Democrats generally won't compromise on it because the support for it is so big, and the organizations to support it and gain public consensus on it are so well-established. If people would join a group to make the case for whatever health care issue or whatever else they'd want to see, they might get that much power. But instead they tear down the infrastructure that's just trying to stop the Republican encroachment at the moment.

that is where it's all happening. We can come together in every bar on the planet (and have a great time while we are at it) but you county central committee is where you get the juice. THis is MHO.

Become a delegate to your state party. Join caucus' That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

Because there is a real dearth of people who want to get involved, there are many slots open in the central committees. In our county (very liberal northern California) there are 8 or 10 openings on the committee. Because of that, you have real opportunities to get your ideas incorporated. There should be a phone number for the local party.

I hope I don't sound all preachy about this. I have been an activist all my life and have done various things. But 2 years ago, I joined the club...became the club secretary (no one else would do it) helped to organize some events. Then when someone else didn't go to the convention, I became a proxy delegate and went to the state convention. Then I elected to the central committee (no one else applied and there are still 3 seats open in my assembly district). Now, I'm really into LED lighting, so I wrote a resolution, got it passed locally and then the state passed it. Legislation is being worked on and I hope to have my first bill signed by the gov in the next year. So I say, get involved. If I can do this, anyone can. If we all do this, we can change our world.

BTW a big shout out to my wonderful mentor who has guided me through my whole experience. :patriot: Go Gigi!

I would encourage people to go that route in addition. Cook County*, Illinois, where I am, works a little bit different, though ;). But there still are a lot of places, like you say, where there isn't already a well-oiled Democratic machine, and even here there is Illinois Dem Net (the link is in my signature for everyone interested - even out of the state, the web site is a good example of how to run a clearinghouse of things to do).

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Democratic_Machine

Fuck the haters. Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads!

The party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Robert Francis Kennedy, James Earl Carter, Howard Brush Dean, Dennis John Kucinich and many many other fine, patriotic Americans.

That's the Democratic Party, there on the right.

I'll let y'all tell me who that poisonous wretch on the left is.

:shrug:

May we suck out the poison within our party!



:toast:

I think.

That was too easy.

:grouphug:

We're almost there!

tic Party Machine. In many ways the Democratic machine is as much responsible for the conditions today. They stand by and let the republicans burn the Constitution. We put them there to represent us. Joke is on us. Shame on Pelosi and Reid.

I love the ideas that much of the democratic party has been based on such as the New Deal, the Great Society, Civil Rights, Gay Rights, Womens Rights etc, but I will not stay loyal to that party should they leave those ideas by the wayside.

I could go on.
We are suffering from MILLIONS of uncounted votes each cycle.
And foul propaganda of right wing radio, poisoning the minds of folks who should be on OUR side.
And we are still recovering from the "loss" of the dixiecrats (good riddance!) and the southern strategy -- but we ARE progressing.

Reality is not black or white.
There is always some good to celebrate!

I am not, for instance, going to equate the Democratic Party with the UFO Party based on one member.

So is the real motive of the post "Yeah for the front runners" and more left-bashing?

:thumbsup:

Yay for the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party as a whole is better than the Republican Party, and is not equated with the UFO Party.

Are you talking about MUFON? I mean they really aren't terribly politically involved at all. Is this a directed comment at some party I have never heard of? Or are there some democrats that you are targeting with it?

Is it directed at Congressman Kucinich? I mean he is actually a real Democrat so I have to assume it isn't. Is it directed at Ralph Nader? The only reason I ask is your silly "F$@# Nader." I mean between bashing Nader outside of the party and going after Kucinich within the party do you honestly think you are going to win over a lot of lefties?

If you are the sort that believes that "Nader cost Gore the election" (something I do not entirely agree with) then wouldn't it be logical to try to appeal to these voters in some manner? I mean if you had to choose between trying to draw more moderate republicans with promises of slightly increased church involvement in the affairs of state, more "fiscally conservative" (see also: slash infrastructure, education, welfare programs for children in poverty) policy OR trying to draw in and energize progressive voters which would you choose?

If you would choose to try to bring in the repukes rather than trying to inform the public how progressive values are good for them and activating our own base, A base that the 'Nader stole...' argues is an entitlement exclusive to the Democratic party, then I really think you should rename your thread.

and is not equated with the DLC.

I'm glad you've slimed your own thread with that crap.

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War and spying and forced free trade. Rah rah, sis boom bah!

Shame it gets so little done...

Just because someone loves the Democratic Party,
that doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to rid it of those
who would sell us down the river to the highest bidder.

Who do you want to see in the WH
in 2009?

Also the ONLY candidate who would end the farcical "War on Drugs".

etc., etc., etc.

If identifying with an political organization gives you comfort, that's great. Personally, I tend to develop love and admiration based not on a label or membership in a club, but by the deeds that a person does.

We need to weed out the DLCers who are willing to
sell out our goals for their personal gain.

The " Dems Suck" crowd needs to remember this
is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND .

Go review the rules, please.

as a way to attack anyone who disagrees with the actions of THEIR tin gods.

If someone says 'Pelosi sucks' or 'Reid sucks', they are accused of saying 'Dems suck' even though the initial statement was made because the sucker was NOT acting like a Dem.

not acting like Dems.

When Reid and Pelosi forget why we elected them to
office, and are paralyzed by inaction,they deserve the criticism they get.

That's not the same as lumping everyone together and saying
Dems. suck.

Hell, some people forget Kuchinech is a Democrat.

btw, I'm not a DLC apologist by any means.

I still love him.

The rest I don't care for at all.

Party on, Democrats!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig

:woohoo:

here in darkest Mississippi, it's almost as exotic to be a Democrat as to be an Episcopalian. :hi: :kick: :loveya: :grouphug: :patriot:

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sellouts.

Response One: I'm way too (cool/counterculture/pure of heart) to like a political party...or anything that exists in the real world.

Response Two: I like (some tiny fragment/special interest group) of the Democratic Party, but I hate everyone else.

Response Three: We must stick together as a party even when the party is doing a shitty job.

Response Four: You're criticizing my favorite candidate! Fuck You!

Apply the Big Four template to the previous posts! Have Fun!


My actual answer: I like the Democratic Party because it's the closest thing to a party that I can agree with most of the time. Why can't you like something and still be critical of it? The party is sort of like a relative: Annoys the hell out of me, but I'm not going anywhere.

i love democracy, myself.

Take your party loyalty elsewhere!

Some nerve you have!

:+

Frankly the democrats never cease to disappoint me. Whilst I agree with them on most issues their lack of spine (especially in Congress) wants to make me strangle them through the TV. What happened to Impeachment? what happened to curb spending? what about putting an end to the Bush War machine?

No F**k'in backbone. Everytime they have stood up to Bush, they have caved. Too afraid of what the GOP might think. Fuck them, if they cannot take on a deeply unpopular president, Nobody respects a coward.

The Dems response: "wait to we have a Democratic President!". Well judging the Dems recent panache for losing easy elections, that might be a long wait. There is no-way Bush should have been elected or reelected. When I first saw what a IDIOT he was I couldn't believe the GOP would serious consider picking him -then I remember Dan Quayle. Gore and Kerry ought to have crushed him. We can make excuses but 2000 should have not as been as close as it was. It ought to have been a Democratic landslide. And 'Yes' the GOP cheated, and played dirty but those tactics only work if its close, it shouldn't have been close.

Don't get me wrong, I will vote Democrat anyway (Edwards). But I cannot say that with any pep.

I just really HATE the GOP and everything they stand for.

;)

You hide behind shit like this while actually tearing down Democrats like DK just because people like that don't fellate you properly. You don't give a shit about the party and differing opinions and ideas. You want a party of cowards and sycophants, just like the Repubs that you claim to hate, all the while acting just like them and doing their work for them. People like you are destroying the Party, not helping it.

:rofl:

in that other youtube video they're so proud of?

:thumbsup:

:toast:

:spray:


Can I have, like, 10,000 of your babies?

:rofl:

There's only like an hour and a half left, and the one in thiard place right now was posted later than this one, so it's unlikely to drop out by itself. But I think everyone who got us to foarth!

:thumbsup:

People have viewed it 1,852 times. It could be the same 50 people doing it over and over. Maybe 94% concur.

Rah rah, siss boom bah.