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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:13 PM
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The Huckster equates homosexuality with necrophilia.
Washington Dispatch: The candidate says he wants to unite the country. But in a 1998 book, Huckabee was a fierce culture warrior, equating environmentalism with pornography, homosexuality with necrophilia, and nonbelievers with evildoers.

By David Corn

December 17, 2007

(snip)

In Kids Who Kill, Huckabee argued that school shootings were the product of a society in decline, a decline marked (and caused) by abortion, pornography, media violence, out-of-wedlock sex, divorce, drug use, and, of course, homosexuality. Huckabee and his coauthor bemoaned the "demoralization of America," observing, "Despite all our prosperity, pomp, and power, the vaunted American experiment in liberty seems to be disintegrating before our very eyes." Huckabee, who was governor at the time and a well-known social conservative, blasted away at those whom he held responsible for America's ills, and he took a rather tough stand against government social programs and their advocates. In lamenting the "cultural conflicts" besetting the country, he wrote,


"Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities."

Why was he lumping environmentalism with activities he considered sinful? He did not explain further. A few pages later, Huckabee complained,


"It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia."


http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/12/huckabee-homosexuality-environmentalism-book.html
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While he spent the '90's obsessing about gays, maybe if he had paid more attention to his boys, one wouldn't be addicted to porn and the other would have more respect for animals.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:19 PM
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1. K&R
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:27 PM
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3. Starting to wonder if his hate for the gay community
is why he's starting to surge in the polls.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:32 PM
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6. I already wondered that
I noticed that both he and Obama had surges in the polls after they took steaming dumps on the GLBT community.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:39 PM
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10. We may be on to something.
Doesn't matter what your party affiliation, offering up minority groups for ridicule in exchange for votes is immoral.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:34 PM
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Perhaps and if so that is disgusting!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:44 AM
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79. Darned scary thought :^(
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:23 PM
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2. and that's just based on his republican friends nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:28 PM
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4. It's so damned strange about these homophobes.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 09:33 PM by Buzz Clik
If it's something they don't like and it has to do with peepees, they lump them altogether.

Huckleberry thinks homosexuality and necrophilia are similar.

Santorum was convinced that man-on-dog and man-on-turtle were somehow similar to homosexuality.

I'd say roughly 50% of the knuckledraggers in the country are convinced that all gay men are pedophiles.

What. The. Hell. :shrug:

These folks need to get out more often.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:31 PM
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5. No, man on turtle was Cornyn.
But he and Ricky probably traded beastiality pictures.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:34 PM
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7. Cornyn was man-on-turtle?
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 09:37 PM by Buzz Clik
Seriously, what kind of a sick fuck could dream that up?



Turtle on turtle is pretty hot.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:59 PM
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14. Apparently, he must have been surfing YouTube
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:07 AM
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57. Did Huckabee fly over the coo coo nest?


Convicted sex offenders, including many pedophiles, have been treated by the psychosurgical procedure commonly known as lobotomization. Psychosurgery has long been controversial, particularly the historical use of surgical intervention on homosexuals given that homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness by the psychiatric community (see for instance Rieber et al. 1976; Sigusch 1977; Rieber & Sigusch 1979; Schorsch & Schmidt 1979)Lobotomies are generally no longer practiced and are prohibited in a number of countries.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:34 PM
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8. Apparently the weight loss
is a factor. He's hungry. Only way he thinks that necrophilia is institutionally supported, thanks for that INSIGHT into the Huck's great psyche. Yipes-tree killing-GOOD! Pregnancy-GOOD! Gays-bad! Necrophilia-hunger. God, I feel like Jay Leno.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:37 PM
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9. Huh.
With those sons of his, I thought he would have realized the difference by now.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:41 PM
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11. I hope he gets the nom, but I think in the end it will be McCain
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:46 PM
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12. I hope so too
It will be like shooting fish in a barrel with this wacko Jesus freak.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:54 PM
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13. I did outreach for work in Arkansas last year.
Just about every cab driver I had went out of their way to tell me how most people in Arkansas hate Huckabee.

I'm drooling over a Huckster nom.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 08:58 AM
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90. Please remember we said that
about Dim Son, too. The idiot managed not to drool on himself during the debate and the MSM declared him the "winner."
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:05 PM
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15. Necrophilia is like having sex with a Republican wife
While the Chimp is grunting and sweating on top of Laura, she's probably frozen in a state of suspended animation, thinking about stacking library books.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:11 PM
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22. -giggle- Duzy possibility?
if I had been drinking something, you would owe me a keyboard... or new laptop.

Will share with friends.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:36 PM
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24. Agreed.
Since they had twins, I tend to believe that any sexual relations with that woman happended once.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:46 PM
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32. Or trying to decide what color to paint the ceiling... hehe n/t
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:08 PM
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16. wow..and I thought "school shootings" were caused by kids with guns
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:13 PM
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17. This guy is a Ted Haggard waiting to happen
It's only a matter of time before he gets caught having kinky S&M sex with a male prostitute in a graveyard somewhere...
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:19 PM
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18. FYI:
I realize you're trying to be funny, but the majority of people who are homophobic are heterosexual.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:35 PM
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19. So how does that change things?
I'm not calling him gay necessarily, I'm calling him fucked up, like a lot of these guys who spend an inordinate amount of time railing hysterically against every type of "deviant behavior" they can *ahem* imagine.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:55 PM
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21. If you want to point out his hypocrisy
it would be easier to focus on the recent revelations about his sons.

But you had to "go there" and imply that he was yet another closeted Repug. Most of the DU LGBT community is fed up with this characterization.

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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:43 PM
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30. Oh give me a break
God forbid someone should "go there" and suggest that "yet another" gay-obsessed rightwinger has unresolved sexual-orientation issues. Cause, you know, that's only happened once or twice. Or three times. Or five times. Or...

Since you seem downright determined to take offense to any suggestion, even an obvious joke, that the guy might be hiding something, I assume you are in possession of evidence proving that he is 100% straight and does not in fact have sex with male prostitutes in graveyards.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:06 AM
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54. "Oh, I'm sorry you don't get my refined sense of humor."
You give us a break. You are making a joke about The Huckster being a closeted gay, and in the end, it's just one more pretense that it's not really a fag joke. Everybody knows what it is, so can the fake indignation. You were telling a fag joke, and you got called on it. Fess up!


...or...aren't you MAN enough?
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:17 AM
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63. LOL, defensive much?
If you want to see "fag jokes" everywhere you look, be my guest.
:rofl:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:33 AM
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70. No just tired of homophobes pretending to joke about repugs
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 12:36 AM by Touchdown
...and I guess you aren't man enough. Now go out and play.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:34 AM
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71. Over it as well. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 08:36 AM
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89. ...
:thumbsup:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:44 PM
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31. I've noticed those who talk the loudest against it
usually have unresolved issues, or are hiding something they think would "ruin their career". :shrug:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:27 AM
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86. Are those who talk the loudest against homosexuality
Phleps, Robertson and Falwell?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 05:29 PM
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97. The loudest?
We'll need one of those things that mesasures decibels.

They're pretty darn vocal about it, though.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:35 PM
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100. If you watch any political talk show
Yes, the loudest.

And to address your snark, see your own post above.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:37 PM
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101. I don't recall a snark. Which post? n/t
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:49 PM
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102. This reads as snark:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:54 PM
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103. It was a sincere post as to who's really the loudest.
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 10:54 PM by madeline_con
I honestly don't know if the religofascist freaks mentioned, or the "conservative" candidates foam at the mouth more about gays. :shrug:

edited becuz I can't spell
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:53 PM
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20. No
Rabid homophobes are typically rabid homophobes, not "closet cases" as people seem to think.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:56 PM
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40. Homophobes are overwhelmingly heterosexual, sorry to inform
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:00 AM
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46. Fine, whatever
This is sad. I feel sorry for the GLBT DUers who apparently cannot deal with people even joking that a homophobe could be anything other than an evil straight man.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:03 AM
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50. You feel sorry for GLBT DUers who don't laugh at your jokes?
Fine, whatever, as you say.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:05 AM
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53. No, I feel sorry for people who are determined to shoot themselves in the foot n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:07 AM
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56. Sorry, that comment seems apropos of nothing
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:11 AM
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60. Yes, I know it seems that way to you, which is why it's so sad n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:35 AM
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72. What is sad is you are one more insensitive heterosexual.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:41 AM
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76. That may be, but I'm on your side
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 12:41 AM by Azathoth
And you have just spent the last half hour waging jihad against me because I dared to joke about the fact that wingnuts like Huckabee are often fucking hypocrites who try to conceal their sordid personal lives by cloaking themselves in bigoted righteousness and religiosity.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:43 AM
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77. "Waging jihad" OFFS. . . .
As you said an hour ago, whatever. Ciao, be well.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:09 AM
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58. I can't laugh at fag jokes, no matter what proper name you use.
Huckster=evil man. Evil man=Big screaming HOMO!

Har-dee-har-har!:eyes:
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:14 AM
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61. Yawn. Whatever
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:20 AM
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65. You went for the gay joke.
When other options were there. Why didn't you joke about his sons and their immoral misfortunes that I referenced in my OP?

You chose to make a gay joke and are being taken to task. Hopefully, you'll learn from this experience.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:24 AM
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67. No, I went for the gay, sadomasochistic, necrophiliac joke
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 12:25 AM by Azathoth
I would've worked in the pedophilia angle too, but I didn't want to step over an actual legal line.

You, on the other hand, focused solely on the gay part, which says more about your agenda than mine.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:27 AM
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69. You forgot the closeted Republican angle.
And that's where most tend to disagree with you.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:35 AM
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73. Fine. Sorry.
:yoiks:
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #40
92. And desperate to be taken as such, no matter the cost
Therein lies one of the root causes of homophobia.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:14 PM
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23. Necrophilia is publicly endorced?
I must have missed the memo on that one.

Damn. There was that really cute dead guy...

If I had only known. Maybe next time.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:39 PM
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25. I really hope this is their candidate. The chickens have come home to roost.
They've courted these insane evangelical christians for decades and it's about time they finally got called on it in a very visceral way.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:39 PM
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26. and this is coming from the guy ...
... who jokes about lying in the bathroom with slit wrists, that his ad played backwards says "Paul is dead", "Paul is dead".
and whose son tortured and killed the stray dog.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:40 PM
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27. When's this fool going to get caught in the men's room
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 11:41 PM by madeline_con
tapping his foot?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:42 PM
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29. He won't because he isn't gay.
He's just a fucking christofascist moron.

He's YOURS. Not OURS.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:47 PM
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33. And you know this because...
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 11:47 PM by madeline_con
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:50 PM
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36. Why do you automatically assume he's gay?
Are waspy racists secretly black?

Makes no sense.



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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:54 PM
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38. Haven't you noticed?
It's becoming more common in the Repug community.

Why do gays act like they don't want these guys to be counted in their number, so it can't be true?

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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:56 PM
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41. Are white racists secretly black?
The self-loathing schick makes no sense.

Think about it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:57 PM
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44. Jinx
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:04 AM
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52. Maybe some racists have blacks in their family tree, and it
freaks them out. I really don't know. It could happen.

As a cover tactic, yelling loudly about abberation and abomination works to fool the Repuke followers of some secretly homosexual office holders. You know it's true.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:07 AM
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55. Not in all cases. I'm frankly sick of the
heterosexual community pushing off their homophobic, bigoted jerks onto us.

It really isn't funny.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 05:34 PM
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99. Well of course, not in all cases.
I don't think it's funny either.

If someone's gay, they should just go with it, not try to deny and make out like they're Mr. Morality who hates "gay homosexuals". The sick part's the self loathing, IMO.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:59 AM
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82. No, white racists secretly FEEL INFERIOR. Makes all the sense in the world. nm
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:00 AM
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47. Actually there is some logic to it. There have been many gay bashing
politicians/preachers recently who have turned out to at least be engaging in closeted same gender sex, whether they are actually gay is another question of course. Larry Craig and Ted Haggard are only two recent examples. It does seem that some of the most outspoken gay bashers are often the ones who turn out to be unsure of their own sexuality. I do wonder about Huckabee based on some of these really wacko gay phobic statements just as I wonder about Fred Phelps.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:02 AM
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49. Are white racists secretly black?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:18 AM
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64. I don't think it is a very good analogy. Racial identity is quite different from sexual identity.
For one thing, it is not usually possible to hide one's racial identity. But the self loathing aspect does have some parallels - blacks have been known to discriminate against darker skinned blacks, for example. And a better analogy would be to really look at who the white racists were/are. Not always, but often they were the ones closest to blacks in terms of social class. It was often the poor whites who were most racist and foot soldiers for the Klan. And hence they targeted "uppity" blacks - blacks who dared to think themselves better than the poor whites.

And it does appear that over the years some of the most rabid gay phobes have turned out to be practicing closeted same gender sex. Racial bigotry comparisons aside, how do you explain that? Or do you deny that it is happening?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:22 AM
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66. I don't deny that it happens
I'm just not one to jump on the self-loathing bandwagon. It's so easy for heterosexuals to make the LGBT community into a cheap punchline. It isn't funny. We aren't laughing.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:37 AM
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74. I am not laughing either. I don't think it is funny that gay phobes practice their
bigotry, whatever their reason for it. But I think it is just denying reality not to recognize that a great deal of gay phobia comes from confused sexual identity. Straights who are secure in their sexuality tend not to be into gay bashing and they are often more open to accepting GBLTs once they have gotten past the ignorance. I don't see how saying that is somehow a negative against the GBLT community. If anything it is an indictment of the straight community. After all it is the straight community that oppressed the GBLTs in the first place and created the environment which kept people in the closet.

I do however think that ridicule can be used fairly effectively against gay phobia whenever it rears its head. Ridicule should not be confused with laughter and it can be a great teacher - particularly to the bystanders.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:45 AM
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80. I've lived in New York City for over 10 years.
And I can't begin to tell you how many times I've been called a faggot. Thankfully, only a few times I've been attacked for being gay in the City, and since I travel for work, I've also been called a faggot, but not as many times as when it came from the place I lived.

Are you saying that the majority of those who either attacked me or hurled offensive remarks were closeted gays?

Or were they merely a product of a heterocentric society that rewards those that beats and harasses queers?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:08 AM
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84. I have no idea of the actual demographics of gay bashers. I suspect there are all kinds of reasons
why people exhibit bigotry - I do think low self esteem plays a big role and sometimes that low self esteem comes from living a closeted life style. People who repress their basic nature have a hard time behaving "normally". And it is not just "closeted" people, a bigger part of it may be heterosexuals who are some distance away away from the straight end of the straight-gay continuum and they don't quite know how to deal with those feelings - so it comes out as gay bashing.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:20 AM
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85. I would agree that there are all kinds of reasons,
Where I disagree is the presence of some pseudo-same-sex attraction motivating the gay bashing. It may be present in a few, but there's nothing to prove that the majority of those who engage in anti-gay behavior are actual closeted homosexuals.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:25 AM
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68. There may be differences
but most African American and Black civil rights leaders agree that the LGBT community share more similarities than differences when it comes to achieving equality.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:41 AM
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75. I think there are many similarities, I just think that the psychology of racial and sexual identity
differs a lot. As for the civil rights aspect, there are many similarities.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:38 AM
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87. Do you mind if I ask you to develop this statement?
"I just think that the psychology of racial and sexual identity differs a lot."
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:45 PM
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94. It's nothing that complicated. Racial identity is tied up in cultural experience and expectations.
Sexual identity also has that but goes much deeper in many ways. We know that the biological sex drive itself is obviously a big part of it but there are strong cultural components as well. Racial identity doesn't have the equivalent of the sex drive or the sexual relationship bonds that go along with it. I think that therefore sexual identity is much more complex and hence not as well understood as racial/ethnic identity.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:47 PM
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35. How the hell do you know?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:50 PM
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37. How the hell do you know he's gay?
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:56 PM
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39. I think he's fucked up
Maybe he's gay, maybe he's straight, maybe he has a fish fetish a la Troy McClure. All I know is that rightwingers who are obsessed with the imagined "deviant behavior" of others always seem to be compensating for something, whether it be suppressed homosexuality, or a gambling habit, or a drug addiction, or whatever.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:57 PM
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42. Just like racists all secretly wish they were black,
Give it up.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:10 AM
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59. Jesus, you guys really got your talking points together -- of course, they don't make sense
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 12:12 AM by Azathoth
There are plenty of people who cover their shame of being "racially impure" by being virulently racist. Just look at Reinhard Heydrich for God's sake.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:16 AM
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62. "Talking points"? No, dearie.
No talking points. Just being an educated lesbian who has had it with snarky, insensitive heterosexuals.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:58 PM
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45. Maybe he's just an asshole straight fucktard.
Lotta straight assholes out there.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:01 AM
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48. I didn't know we were keeping score
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:04 AM
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51. Nobody is, but whenever some batshit homophobe comes out with something outlandish,
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 12:04 AM by Bluebear
the speculation immediately goes that he must be some sort of closet case, and it's getting old.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 07:57 AM
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88. Well, it does keep turning out that way
However, I do note the difference between gay - that is, attracted to and interested in relationships with the same sex - and most of these guys, who I beleive just obsess until they develop a need to "try it" and then get off on what they consider self-degrading behavior. I think the Haggards, the Foleys, and probably the Huckabees of the world are just self-loathing perverts engaging in their own kink, without actually being homosexual.

Does that work? A guy can sleep with another guy because he gets off on the "perversity" of it, rather than because he actually enjoys doing so.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 11:02 AM
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93. In my line of work, they are referred to as "MSM".
Men who have sex with men. And they are not gay.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 04:21 AM
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104. Gatcha. I figured something like that
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:41 PM
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28. Oh motherfucking bloodyhellonwheels!
Hey Jeeebus. Hows about saving me from your fucktard followers?

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:47 PM
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34. Whoa, what must he think of gay environmentalists? Most vile, no doubt.
Flaunting their recycling and composting gay lifestyles.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:57 PM
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43. And so where is the response from the Log Cabin Republicans?
Hmmm?

*crickets chirping*
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:44 AM
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78. I find it amazing that a supposed follower of Jesus
can be so consumed by irrational hate.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:55 AM
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81. If this freak gets elected
i'm leaving the country
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:02 AM
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83. Huckabee could tie himself to a cross, wear a loincloth and do a Rap tune on MTV
These lyrics sound like some kind of weird rap:

Abortion, environmentalism,
AIDs, drug abuse, and homosexual activism
publicly endorsed and institutionally
supported aberrations—from homosexuality
.........and pedophilia
to sadomasochism and necrophilia.

boom, chi-chi, boom, boom, boom, chi-chi, boom
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 09:01 AM
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91. Man I hope he is their nominee. The things he says keep getting better and better
He is starting to look like a dream candidate for us to walk right over.
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:33 PM
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95. True Colors of Hickabee
I hope he becomes the Repug nominee...
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:34 PM
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96. What does he know? He thinks incest is a parental right. -n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 05:33 PM
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98. Give him a break. The man is speaking from experience.
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