UGH!!! Ron Paul supports!

Seduced by the Siren Song of "Get out of Iraq" "Restore liberty" "Kill the IRS"

The trouble is that nutty Libertarians think the New Deal is an infringement on individual liberty and want to restore us to Gilded Age economic policies. We've already tried that. It doesn't work.

since he had been Green, Kucinich supporter, etc...who now is completely bonkers for Paul. Only because of the war.
Mind boggling.

That should say it all IMO.

Double UGH!

I'd like to see them post a thread so we could see.

I dunno, I wasn't supposed to watch them.

Not that the admins would allow it, still I wonder how many here do support Ron Paul. If only they could be given immunity for their stupidity.

They have NO clue what the hell they're getting into! He's got some BIG money behind him, as I've seen $$$ worth of very professional signs just blanketing our area for months (near Seattle). I've seen lots of progressive young people wanting to "be a part of it" and following him blindly. When you mention that the's vehemently anti-choice to the point of rabid, they say 'oh that's such a volitale issue' and don't want to acknowledge it. They have zero idea that he's a libertarian. He's against everything...

Suppose we could be happy that he'll siphon off a ton of repub and independent voters, but we have to keep educating the lost progressives that don't realize Paul's agains the war because it costs TAX MONEY. He would close down all libraries if he can get away with it. And what's with all that racist shit from his newsletter years ago? He wrote some disgusting things in his own newsletter, then when called on it, suddenly claimed a "ghost writer" did it. Really? Wow.. so this guy never read or approved his own newsletter, nor did he see it after it was sent out?

He's scary.

Who the fuck stops on a freeway to place signs on a guard rail?

And you're right, we need to drive home the point that essentially if you like the New Deal, you don't like Ron Paul.

I checked out the blog of the Icelandic woman who was detained by the INS, and of the responses in English, the majority were from Ron Paul supporters, saying, "This won't happen under a Ron Paul administration."

I think that so many people are so desperate to end the invasion and occupation of Iraq that they'll latch onto anyone who speaks out strongly. However, with typical media-hypnotized simplicity of mind, they don't look beyond the slogans to see the man's nineteenth-century attitudes on just about everything.

And I agree that there has to be money behind it. Why is Ron Paul, most of whose ideas are way out in Libertarian-land, except for his views on abortion and immigration, getting all the publicity, while Dennis Kucinich, who has also been outspoken against the invasion/occupation of Iraq and who seems downright mainstream in comparison, is continually overlooked?

The answer lies in their respective attitudes toward big business. Kucinich wants a government with a preferential option for ordinary people over corporations. Paul has no problem with giving the corporations a free hand. Hence, they support him, figuring that the end of the war would be a small price to pay for having a Libertarian in the White House.

He's being pretty smart with his message. His message to red-state freeperland is "stop the abortions and get gubmint off your back." (And never mind the contradiction there.)

His message to blue-state progressiveland is "end the war tomorrow and stop BS like the FCC giving corporate welfare to big media corporations." The traction he gets, IMO, comes from disgust with cronyism and corporate welfare in government, corporations writing their own anti-competitive regulations, etc.

The disconnect I think a lot of people at DU have (and I've been thinking a lot about this lately) is that some of us don't "get" that notion that a lot of people think government is actively working with powerful corporations to screw us all -- the FCC thing today being an example.

Whether you think it's blatant hypocrisy on Paul's part or not, he is using anti-corporate language along with anti-war language to get people on the left, just like he's using anti-government language (and anti-war language, and racist codewords and not-so-coded words) to get people on the right. If the result of this is that we all take a long, hard, look at the way the government is actively using its regulatory power to strengthen big corporations, it's probably worth putting up with his (admittedly irritating and single-minded) minions.

people who've never voted or followed politics before. Not that this should invalidate your right to vote or endorse a candidate, but I have a feeling some of these people haven't taken his positions through to their logical conclusion. Ron Paul is an interesting thought exercise but the idea of having him on any ticket is frightening, as bad as the idea of driving through the district that elected him. This guy is really scary.

Enquiring minds want to know......

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