Do you think a fence should be erected along the United States' border with Mexico

to help control illegal immigration? (EDIT: PLEASE READ THE REMAINDER OF MY POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND. YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO LINES BELOW?)

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Omg.

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Fear and loathing hit the heartland!

Lots of meat packing plants there. Big need for cheap labor.

LOL!

Iowa is an odd place.

The population has increased pretty fast.

has a brain the size of a gnat's and that's insulting gnats. I never heard of a dumber plan than this ill conceived way to take public funds, and put them in idle corporate hands.

It is painfully obvious that a fence would be absolutely and unequivocally pointless.

Fence bad for ecology (animals know no borders and plant life in delicate area destroyed, etc.), humans find ways to get through fences and the steel in the fences is made, guess where: CHINA!
And would cost more than the Great Wall of China to build it along the entire border!

...for pointing that out...I didn't realize what I had posted.

that'll solve all our problems.

"In the dome, out of the dome, in the dome out of the dome".. SPLAT.. too late. :rofl:

years back?

Well the government has given land owners on the Texas border 30 days to say yes to letting government officials to come on their land and assess their property for the fence. If the owners say no the government will cease their property. (In other words the government will steal the landowners property).

Skeletor has made this threat. We need to figure out how the Democratic Party can help and support the landowners.

"Tear down that wall"?

Walls were once perhaps useful, but now are symbols of failure.

All in all it was all just bricks in the wall...

start throwing the employers asses in jail or at least make them pay a big assed fine so as to take the profit out of exploiting labor

Then we could get the Mexican Government to fit all their creatures of labor with those shock collars. (That'd be right up their callejón, right?)


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if they're going to do it- do it RIGHT.

Which outcome does the o.p. project to be DU's position?


http://notexasborderwall.com/

Because they haven't thought that far ahead just means that it will NOT be a problem in the future

or hell, for thinking at all...

Welcome to DU! :toast:

Is the only thing that will solve the problem. First they stop coming, when word gets out that nobody is hiring them. Then those here, go back to their country on their own, because nobody will employ them anymore.

Problem solved!

big waste of Tax Money.

"Massive fines and imprisonment for the employers of illegals." Yes!

buy cheap agricultural produce? or anyone who's ever eaten at Taco Bell? Why just the employers, it's certainly not just them benefiting from this exploitation

They are violating the law to undercut wages for Working Americans, and nobody can tell me that they do not know.

By the way, there is no agricultural produce being picked on construction sites, on suburban lawns, at fast food restaurants, etc. etc. etc. They have moved up the job chain long ago, and the U.S. Government is the biggest employer of them through contractors. Bust the illegal employers.... Problem solved.

By the way, there is no agricultural produce being picked on construction sites, on suburban lawns, at fast food restaurants, etc. etc. etc. They have moved up the job chain long ago

is because it's cheaper, if businesses have higher expenses then that has a flow on effect to the whole community and the whole economy, claiming it begins and ends with employers is incredibly myopic

cheap labor primarily increases profit. If what you say is true, houses out west would have been dead cheap the last decade or two. Yet, we know that isn't true.

That is the bottom line, and it under-cuts working class Americans. I thought you said they were only produce pickers though. Oh how the truth starts coming out.

An underground, illegal economy in the United States is still better than what they left behind. In reality we would see a rise in violence and crime.

Then they go back to their country on their own, because they cannot afford to stay here, or they have to resort to illegal activities to survive. Eventually they will be busted for those illegal activities, and they will be sent back. Now who says these people are really "law abiding" people if they will resort to violence and crime, instead of correcting what they did wrong by coming here?

We have already seen a rise in violence and crime, due to unchecked illegal immigration into this country.

Are you telling me that illegals will become violent if they do not get their demands met?

Well then, time for a frog march back to the border then, if that's the way you want it.

housing and transportation of the estimated 11 million that are here now. Who is going to pick up the tab for transportation of these folks back to the Mexican/American border. Its a very ong walk in January for a man, his wife and children after he is thrown out of the Iowa meat packing plant.

us in.

Technically, the international border extends to the CENTER of the rivers and to the line where there is no river. Fences necesarily have to be built on one side or the other, not IN the river or AT the line. It might be a technicality, but de facto, the land and river SOUTH of the fence is GONE!1

across parts of Texas.

isn't that child technically american?

edged sword. It keeps folks out, and it keeps us in. In addition, the new laws that are going into effect, with regards to requiring US citizens to have a passport to travel to nearby countries, is also keeping us in.

It's starting to feel a little claustrophobic in this country. All by design, I am afraid.

yes,,,79.5%

no,,,,16.6%

not sure,3.9%

votes cast 584

kinda sad when you think about it.

and bat shit crazy :D

Seriously Are you joking?

A big wall/fence over the desert.

How about trying Canada?

Besides thay are just re-occupying the land that was once theirs, and cleaning pools, and working as gardners for rich pricks.

The world does not belong to lines drawn on maps. c.f. Palestine

Seriously Are you joking?

A big wall/fence over the desert.

How about trying Canada?

Besides they are just re-occupying the land that was once theirs, and cleaning pools, and working as gardeners for rich pricks.

The world does not belong to lines drawn on maps. c.f. Palestine

If you think that no specific region should be identified then how can you say that people are "just re-occupying the land that was once theirs"?

We don't need a stinkin fence.

"ranch" in Crawford. And a locked gate to keep him in.

not a big fence but Enforced Punishment for that certain person that lives on a certain "ranch" in Crawford, TX

I'd like to hear the argument of somebody who thinks a frickin fence is going to make the slightest difference. Its not like people don't already risk their lives to get here.. the thought of scaling a fence?! GHASTLY!

Should at the very least fork out ALL the money in TAXES up front. Anything the middle class isn't willing to pay for in a broad based tax -- forget it.

You'll find millions of people who favor it even if they have to pay higher taxes -- BUT NOT A MAJORITY. Most people, even if they gripe about undocumented immigrants, don't want to fork over any kind of serious money out of their household to pay for all these fantasy/boondoggles.

Let 'em put their money where their mouths (and other orifices) are.

along the ENTIRE southern border with Mexico. Second, ANY employer caught employing illegal aliens should be put out of business after review and confirmation of such acts. Third, deport ALL illegal aliens and return THEM to their country of origin.

surprised, because the very gov't who thought the fence/wall was crucial was employing Mexicans to build it. And FTR, I don't agree at all with you about your first and third points.

Opposing views and the right to express them; that's the beauty of DU. Happy Holidays babylonsister!!

And you're right; the other great part of DU is to even hear opposing views, a rarity. :toast:

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Because I don't hear any Democratic candidates talking like that.

Since we're not one, I guess it's ok.

They are fighting with each other to see who can claim the most "hawkish" position on this. While they seem to be alienating Hispanic voters, according to polls, there seems to be a large part of the population that might be responsive to a "Democrats are soft on illegal immigration" campaign issue.

that fences have two sides. These dittoheads are voting to have themselves put into a cage. That is apart from their buying into the "aliens are going to eat or children" xenophobia. What a bunch of cowardly sheep.

if the fence was long enough, high enough and patrolled enough it could reduce undocumented (no-one is illegal - particularly in a world where there is no restriction on capital crossing borders) people entering the US.

Australia has a natural border of a large body of unsafe water surrounding it. Consequently we have a relatively tiny number of undocumented arrivals.

No fence will ever stop ALL migration however. You can not set up such a stratified world and expect no-one from the third world will ever show up wanting some crumbs from the dinner table.

Then there's the small issue of your economy which would be screwed if everyone was actually earning minimum wage. Your betters don't actually want to control this, they exploit it to the hilt and each time you buy cheap produce or stay in almost any hotel so do you.

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we finish the "Star Wars" defense shield. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm really beginning to wonder about this.

Fence bad for ecology (animals know no borders and plant life in delicate area destroyed, etc.), humans find ways to get through fences and the steel in the fences is made, guess where: CHINA!

but HELL NO! What about Canada and all the coasts. I think it's motivated by pure bigotry!

..... In other words, no. I think it's a bad idea.

A nice white picket fence with gates every 100 yards or so.

Okay, maybe every 100 meters if you're into that whole metric thing.

For less than ten dollars, I can make a van-sized hole in under thirty seconds. Do scared racists own stock in a fencing company or something?

At the heart of the illegal immigration problem are the greedy employers, large or small, who profit.

They know that an illegal is less likely to complain about poor or unfair working conditions, and that they can underpay them.
These employers obviously don't care that they are screwing over their own country.
I think that the book should be thrown at them, big time.

Do you think a fence should be erected along the United States' border with Mexico to help control illegal immigration?

Votes cast: 1688

People would find their way through any kind of fence that the US could afford to put up.

I'm pretty sure an 100 foot tall steel fence a foot thick would still be comprimised. Humans are resourceful.

is it to keep Mexicans out or to keep Americans in?

with several siblings still living in Iowa but we live in Texas now and the fence is a big headache here. What is not stated is the environmental and social costs for a fence. It may or may not slow the river of illegals but it will definitely infringe on those who own property on the border. It will impact the movement of native animals who have used the Rio Grande for millenia and who never heard of either Mexico or the U. S.
Already bigots in Texas are lobbing bombs and bullets into neighborhoods on the other side of the border often injuring children whose families have lived in Mexican towns there for generations and who are not the one's doing the crossing.
I know that Iowans are mostly good people and that the influx of so many unfamiliar ways is a problem but I urge you all to remember that many of their ancestors settled there because they were unwelcome in states and cities further east.
It is time to get past judgments and fear-mongering to seek long term solutions as to why businesses profit from hiring people who will work in conditions such as at meat processing and why the government overlooks their criminal actions and builds fences to keep us in and them out.

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hence, a phony solution.

to allow their cheap labor Latino guest workers in...

When or if it's time to go, we all need to be able to get out.

raise New Orleans above sea level, then take the alligators out of my state (Florida) to stock the moat.

Only idiots republican paranoids and Hallibuton (KB&R) who'll make billions, support building a fence.

Stop & fine ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS will do so much more than any ridiculous fence.

A country has a right to control its Borders.

Penalize the employeers SEVERELY.
And NO social services for ILLEGALS, either.

I used to think not - but now I think it's way overdue...

Sorry if it chafes your butts...

And the vote must be over - I didn't see a place to vote for this issue - there's another one now...