What was Oswald's role in the JFK assassination?

Maybe this seems random. But I still think that that the events of that day have a lot to do with where we are now.

I guess my mind is pretty much made up. But I'm interested in how the DU community feels about this specific question.

WARNING: Conspiracy theorists are disallowed from voting. Just kidding.

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Oswald was a participant in a conspiracy and was double crossed, however he probably didn't know it was about Kennedy.

The weirdest part is that the murder of Tippett was announced on the Texas police radio about 30 minutes before it happened (12:43 vs ~1:15). The weird thing is that even though the Tippett shooting doesn't make complete sense, it is very likely that Oswald was responsible for something which was planned in advance and Oswald was late...

As far as the reason for using Oswald. There are three and it is unclear what was the most significant. The third one is the least documented, however it maybe the most important one even though it mainly depends on the testimony of one woman.

1. The Soviet period where he deserts to Russia, meets a really cute KGB agent and marries her, wanders around for a year and decides to return to the United States which happily reaccepts Oswald and his new found love.

2. His involvement in both the pro- and anti-Castro movement where he was playing agent provocateur and informer.

3. According to his mistress, Judyth Vary Baker, they were working on a cancer virus to be used against Castro. Judyth insists that their work was successful and the virus had been tested on prisoners with a 100% success rate.

:hug: :hug:

He didn't figure that out until it was much too late.

:shrug:

It's getting morose, just like the Princess Diana Files :puke:

Let's give it a rest... at least until February 2009!! :P

Btw? Oswald was duped and assassinated. I saw it live on TV! ;)

It's a itch that can't be scratched.

Hell, they're still people looking for Amelia Earhart (who, as any long standing member of the Tin-Foil Hat Society will tell you, was on a secret recon mission for FDR - along with being Elanor Roosevelt's part time lesbian lover).

So things ain't never going to lie still.

Here's to Hope :toast: or until the records are released. ;)

I'm still mad about how the Bushie Monsters got away with it scot-free in 1934-5, which almost certainly lead to JFK, RFK, and MLK mysteriously "running into bullets" some 30-35 years later.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

As much of a debt this nation owes to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his greatest mistake was in allowing the Bushies to walk away from this and thus ultimately damning his nation to tyranny 70 years later by the grandchildren following Grandpa Prescott's Dream.

What will the consequences for our grandchildren if WE allow this Bushie High Treason to go unpunished and mostly unexposed?

Stay tuned, for it is almost a certainty at this point that is exactly what is about to happen.

So you see, we are all paying for the past where the "itch" of Bushie High Treason "stopped being itchy". We would be fools to let more recent Bushie High Treasons to "stop being itchy" today.

Never forgive and never forget, so that it will never again happen. Now THAT is something I will :toast: .

"JFK & 9/11" insights gained from studying both;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7404458118476453937

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Here's another way this loosely ties in today. Watch a young Chris Dodd questioning an FBI agent about being tipped off to Oswald's murder a couple minutes into this clip:

Two Men In Dallas - Part 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3075152#3077223

Interesting material:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thenixonbushconnectiontothekennedyassassination.htm

http://www.documentaries.ws/1/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.56

Or maybe it's just that, now that hindsight allows us to understand just how long America has been fighting the Bushies to preserve our freedom, nobody is naive enough to suggest that all their enemies who, coincidentally "kept running into bullets", were jus a matter of dumb luck and Lone Gunmen.

Oh, and for any Coincidence Theorists who disbelieve me, please refer to those wild, crazy :tinfoilhat: wearing Moonbats at the BBC and Herper's.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

Or maybe it THAT was all a coincidence, too.

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To appease their want of denying the evil man is capable of ... even though the concept of "coincidence" involved in incident after incident, scandal upon scandal, is so unlikely, so remote and implausible, it floats like a stone boat. But at least that way, the world {their world and the one they aspire to} is managed by "professionals" such as themselves who are well beyond conspiring with anyone to ensure they get a larger piece of the pie.

...and they call those who question this fairytale "tinfoil."

And it is such a constant throughout history that it cannot be anything other than a deep psyhcological component of human nature that is nearly universal.

Many have said the same thing, in different words, from Goebbels to J. Edgar Hoover. The mind simply shuts down when confronted with it.

Ironically, our MSM's obsession with "if it bleeds it leads" demonstrates conclusively that people who could pretty accurately be termed "purely evil" exist at every level of society. Murders, child molestations, rape, arson, you name it. Some portion of humanity has always been sociopathic with an utter lack of empathy...which is to say as close to evil as the definition can come.

And yet, even with the mountains of evidence in our faces daily, 99% of us, through some deep inner defense mechanism, somehow think that this statistical certainty evaporates when it reaches our Ruling Class.

Further, even with the mountains of evidence of "charming" sociopaths like Ted Bundy who are able to function easily in normal society, cloaking their sociopathy/evil at every level of society they exist, also somehow do not reach the circles of power (or are born into them).

It is amazing to the few of us who somehow do not have this common defenese mechanism, or have used our reason to overcome it.

The saddest thing of all is that, when true evil like Nazis or Bushies reveal themselves, 99% of us curl up into a defensive ball like an abused child, "This can't be happening. Daddy loves me, otherwise he wouldn't be beating me for my own good. If I just remain very good and very still, Daddy won't beat me for my own good. Daddy can't be an evil madman, or he wouldn't be a Daddy."

And so forth. That is why Bush and Hitler and Pinochet and Pol Pot always win...at least for awhile.

Good post, bro...

And that is what makes it so dangerous. You named Goebbels, however the best example is Hermann Göring who was described during the Nuremberg trials as irresistable and nobody could control or resist that man. All the other suspect could be dealt with and they could have meaningful conversations until Göring was added to the mix and everybody was immediately under his spell.

The most remarkable story is Herbert Lee Stivers who was assigned to guard Göring and as 19-year old he was immediately impressed. Goering was very friendly to his guard and charmed him even more by giving the young guard his golden watch, because he didn't need it anymore. Herbert Lee Stivers later admitted that he unwillingly gave the cyanide pill to Goering and that he was tricked and should haven't done the favor for him. Then again you cannot blame him, because enough is known about Göring and the effect he had on people.

I use the signature of the Dalai Lama and he described Mao as magnetic and that he couldn't help being impressed by Mao when they first met. Magnetic is also the word which was often used to describe Hitler and Stalin before they became infamous, so indeed charming sociopaths tend to go to the top... "The Devil's Charm"

but the sociopath, believing their are no rules except their own gain, whatever that may entail, use charm as a sort of camoflauge.

But combine sociopathy with wealth and/or power, that's where you get your Hitlers, your Pinochets and your Bushes.

And humanity has never learned how to spot them or deal with them. THAT is the problem, ultimately.

I have to give credit to the Founding Fathers, who instinctively knew this from their studies of history and their recently coming out of the Medeval Bushie period, where sociopathy and power was the rule, not the exception. They knew that they had to create a structure which would negate this combination of sociopathy and people's clueless helplessness in it's face.

What they created was perhaps the greatest set of documents in human history, The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

"Ambition will be made to counteract ambition," said Madison.

He might as well have said (if psychology had existed in those days), "Mild sociopathy of power=-seekers will be made to counteract Massive Sociopaths before they can gain power."

Unfortunately, by failing the Constitution and his country in 1935 by not trying and hanging the Bushie Nazis for High Treason when they tried to take over America, FDR turned away from this most important task.

NOTE: This is not to denigrate FDR. He was without a doubt one of our three greatest Presidents in all of Old America (1776-2000, RIP). But no one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Unfortunately, for all his greatness, FDRs greatest mistake was the one that allowed the Old American Republic to fall, perhaps permanently, 70 years later. It is easy to criticize and "Monday Morning Quaterback", so I shall say no more.

FDR was a great, great man, and he gave us 70 years we might not have otherwise had. For that, no matter what we may feel about his decision to not excise the Bushei Cancer that was already growing, we are all in his debt.

That young Marine looked at the camera and said "I didn't shoot anybody".

I believe him.

He was a willing participant in something, he just didn't know what.

That was the last coup d'etat until the 2000 election.