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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:34 PM
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Have you noticed? The war is no big deal
It is so incredibly sad. The Busco's have done it. They have changed public opinion. No, not completely - but succeeded nonetheless and turned the trend backwards.

I noticed Edwards had to be prompted to even mention it as a priority. Wish he would drum up the anti-war spirit more. Kudos to Richardson for mentionning it.

Wow, broke my own rule and called it a war. Illegal invasion. Illegal invasion. Illegal invasion.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:36 PM
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1. But we are only losing 1 troop a day ! I guess that indicates success.
:eyes:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:38 PM
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3. Very close to 3900 this am
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:38 PM
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2. It's no big deal because it doesn't affect the majority of Americans
By the way, how about that Jamie Lynn Spears!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:56 PM
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10. I have been curious - I read that the congress had to approve
the bush/pentagon ban on showing body bags and funerals. Wonder if we have enough votes to overturn that.

Might make people forget about Jamie Lynn Spears.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:59 PM
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12. I didn't hear anything about Congress approving a ban.
When was this? Is there a link to see who voted for what?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:58 PM
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22. I'll look it up again. It is a pentagon mandate - but has to be approved by congress.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:17 PM
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18. You're right.
The average American is worried about how to pay bills.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:39 PM
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4. Yes I have noticed...... Its sad... Evil wins again...
We are not a good people as so many wish to believe.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:40 PM
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5. Yes I have noticed....... Evil wins again !
We are not a good people as so many wish to believe.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:40 PM
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6. It is breathtaking.
I am concerned that Hillary will simply argue fighting a better war.

Democrats must stand firm on getting the hell out of Dodge.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:42 PM
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7. Yep, I noticed........
Guess we ain't supposed to think about bad things during the holidays and primaries...hey? :shrug:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:22 PM
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21. this whole dismissal of what is REALLY happening out in Iraq
to our soldiers and the Iraqi civilians will come back and bite us all. (excluding DU'ers in my comment)
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:42 PM
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8. Remember Rove promised us (long before he left) the War
would not even be discussed for the next election. Amazing
how correct that guy can be.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:00 PM
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13. Yep. Just like the cartoon posted here not too long ago. How
do Repukes win when everyone's worried about Iraq (Bush to Rove). Then Rove responds with
"diversion" let them worry about Iran! He is diabolically brilliant.

I am just hoping he gets his due - and is implicated big time in the Siegelman deal!

My other hope was that he resigned because he smelled impending criminal problems related to Abramoff.
Wouldn't that be a great Xmas present !
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:42 PM
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9. We should change the color of our currency to red.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:58 PM
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11. I don't think it's Bushco at all
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 01:59 PM by nightrider767
The average AMerican mind, of late, has all the attention span of a ferret on Star bucks. It's constantly being bombarded by useless and slanted information.

The war is going badly, so people go to their "happy place", and focus on putting bulbs on trees.

Who can blame them? Why open your brain to a ton of heart ache, when the people who can actually do something about it, continue to fund the war.

Democrats in CONgress are afraid to not provide presidentially requested war bucks...

Why?

Popularity can't be an issue, this congress actually managed to receive a lower approval rating than the worst CONgress in history.

The last Republican CONgress.

They can't go any lower in popularity, so why?

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:01 PM
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15. So let's lift the ban on body bags !!! We just need one Repuke
since Lieberman won't vote to lift.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:11 PM
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17. $$$$$
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:01 PM
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14. The public opposes it, its a big deal to them
Its those (both D & R) living inside the Beltway bubble who don't think its a big deal and throw money at it like confetti.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:02 PM
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16. Right. But the latest poll now puts the economy ahead of the war
which used to be in first place. There is a shift = however slight.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 06:19 PM
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31. Iraq and the economy are linked
There were some polls done a couple of years ago, and probably during the 04 elections, too, that showed when you ask voters about the linkage between the billions the US spends in Iraq that is taken away from our own programs and its affect on our economy, people were very upset.

The group who were most willing to vote for Dems based on these two issues was women. My guess is that, by now, men would care also.

These two issues are very linked and the worse the economy grows, the more likely voters are going to blame it on Iraq.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:20 PM
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19. you can also call it an occupation
it is shameful how this invasion is getting no publicity on the Nightly News, sickening, and the public keeps on walking around in denial. What is that saying "out of sight out of mind".
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:22 PM
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20. There's a war going on? What are you talking about.
Remember, mission was accomplished several years ago. Now move along. Nothing to see.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:01 PM
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23. The public was waiting for any opportunity to forget.
It doesn't matter what the reasons are, or how accurate they are, we just don't want to think about it anymore. Like Afghanistan, where the Taliban is as strong as it ever was, the opium harvest is record breaking, Osama still not apprehended, and many more regressions. We could have just stayed home and saved billions of dollars and many lives on both sides for these results. When was the last time Afghanistan led the evening news? This will soon be Iraq. It's what happens to the children of the Empire, we grow weary, and need distractions. Permanent bases and a stay of 20+ years? Yeah...and?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:20 PM
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24. I mean, really, how many Americans remember or even care that
we managed to kill between 2-3 million southeast Asians during our little imperial adventure in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos?

When the principal war criminals in that endeavor (McNamara, LBJ, Kissinger, Nixon) were allowed to walk scot-free, how many Americans really cared? Iraq-nam just gives some extra oomph to Marx' dictum that history repeats "the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce" Except it's no farce for the roughly 7 million Iraqis killed, wounded or displaced internally or externally by the war.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:26 PM
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25. I remember being diverted from the TV in the late, late 60's as a child.
I've never had to divert my son away from war coverage--there is none.

The outrage isn't there because we don't face the drama every day thanks to the Cheerleading MSM.

How sad, how very sad.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 06:30 PM
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34. The moment the MSM reports the reality,
they're accused by the well-oiled, well-financed Bush cheerleading brigade of not reporting on the good things happening in Iraq. Yes, a school was built. And ten days later it was blown up.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 03:28 PM
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26. Yeah, no more MSM coverage!
there was plenty in the summer but since fall came theyve moved on to other stories.

mostly political coverage.

i noticed that too, nobody is talking about the war anymore on TV.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:03 PM
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27. I predicted this before the "Surge".
I said that the Busholini Regime was going to figure out a way to tamp down the
US Troop casualties & the majority of the American people would no longer care much about Iraq.
It has happened. The US Corp Media feeds on sensationalism. No massive violence; no
coverage. I was thinking about this a few days ago & was going to post about it then the
erased Interrogation Tapes issue dominated the News & posts here & I got distracted. That is
how things work. One scandal after another & it is hard to keep up.

The US Occupation of Iraq will continue no matter who garners the Pres./VP jobs.
The Oil Corps & Multi-Natls are not going to allow Iraq to become a freewheeling
dealer of resources & real estate or be dominated by Iran.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:07 PM
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28. yup
and to the masses in the united states, no coverage=surge working.
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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:11 PM
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29. It's only important
if you or a family member has been to see the "Elephant." I live and breath it daily...but then that's my job. Quoting General Eric Shinseki "I am a Soldier." To me it's always at the forfront of thought. How can I better train and serve my soldiers, and prepare them for combat? How do you help a young soldier worried about a girlfriend or boyfriend back home when they are 8000 miles from home....? Hardly on the news anymore, the surge is working, but look at the cost...broken lives, families, soldiers, civilians and lousy Vet care and a Commander that wants a war with Iran to boot....And then there is Congress that didn't fight and Shrub got his funding for another six months of murder and mayhem......
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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:13 PM
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30. It's only important
if you or a family member has been to see the "Elephant." I live and breath it daily...but then that's my job. Quoting General Eric Shinseki "I am a Soldier." To me it's always at the forfront of thought. How can I better train and serve my soldiers, and prepare them for combat? How do you help a young soldier worried about a girlfriend or boyfriend back home when they are 8000 miles from home....? Hardly on the news anymore, the surge is working, but look at the cost...broken lives, families, soldiers, civilians and lousy Vet care and a Commander that wants a war with Iran to boot....And then there is Congress that didn't fight and Shrub got his funding for another six months of murder and mayhem......
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 06:23 PM
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32. absolutely. by next fall it will be out of the public's eye completely
just like gas prices will fall
and fantastic economic numbers will appear
and osama will remind the people that he's still a terrorist
and on and on and on
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 06:26 PM
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33. Maybe it's abject shame
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 06:27 PM by Mike03
It's so obvious that the Iraq war is a catastrophe that it's almost hard to think about, at least for me. It's sort of in the background of everything I do and think, but there's a lot of denial too.

The people who are in favor of the war don't mention it because they don't want to call attention to how obscene it is, and the people who are against it are perhaps so worn down, so demoralized and so listless from the years of trying to speak the truth and having it denied and shouted down that there's this sort of psychological impasse.

I don't know, that's just a gut assessment.

I'm just so ashamed on so many levels, that... eh...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 06:32 PM
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35. If it isn't on TV, it isn't---period. Now get shopping!
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