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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:34 AM
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Intelligent Design - The Board Game
Ohh Kirk Cameron you're so silly!


"We are very excited about this game because it presents both sides of the creation-evolution argument, and in doing so, shows that the contemporary theory of evolution is perhaps the greatest hoax of modern times," said creator Kirk Cameron


I heard about this game coming out a month or two ago but was never able to find much more information on it until now. I'm not really sure how the game shows evolution as 'stupid' but this quote should hold you over until you want to spend the $29.95 to buy the game:

"Intelligent Design versus Evolution" is unique in that the playing-pieces are small rubber brains, and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins. It has been designed to make people think . . . and that's exactly what it does. It is evangelistic, educational, entertaining and comes with a free copy of the award-winning DVD "The Science of Evolution."


And here's a final gem from Cameron!

"This game didn't happen by accident," Cameron said in a statement. "It was intelligently designed with a specific purpose in mind, and we hope it creates a big bang in the Christian and secular world."


http://today.reuters.com/News/ArticleBlog.aspx?type=scienceNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B80EKKDZW7XjzuNGrifTUKY&src=blogBurst_scienceNews&bbPostId=CzDYTrCcXRgFNCz3gPWNgR7jZOB29bbRYJMmgnCz6lvfsvSa47Z
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:35 AM
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1. But does it come with bananas?
:crazy:
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 02:04 PM
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30. Stop trying to scare us atheists.
:scared:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 06:36 PM
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31. Hey, if *I* have to have those banana nightmares, so do you!
:evilgrin:
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:44 AM
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2. I don't know if the game makes a persuasive case for ID, but...
Edited on Tue Feb-20-07 08:45 AM by Kutjara
...it does seem to show that a lot of cretins, working for a long period of time, can incrementally create something truly inane. Sounds like an argument for evolution to me. Or perhaps devolution.

And remember kids, you can't spell idiot without ID!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:50 AM
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3. Ya know this whole debate about Intelligent design VS evolution
is stupid..

hasn't it occured to anyone that evolution could be a process created by the intelligent designer?

or that the process of evolution led to the creation of the intelligent designer who then did some fabulous designing?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:18 AM
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5. That's what I've never understood. If you believe in a God who
created everything, why is it so hard to believe that this same God could have created evolution? :shrug:
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:34 AM
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9. But where did the god come from....
so I must say I believe in Santa Claus, the easter bunny and honest republicans!
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:51 AM
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13. That isn't for you or I to determine for them.
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:11 AM
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18. Actually we already did.
You see evolution is a fact and Id is a guess.

And isn't it better to live knowing truth then in a mythical world of hobgoblins, demons, and magical beings that create every thing.
so determining it for them has all ready taken place. They still choose to live in a world of dragons, unicorns, trolls, gods and the like.
Stopping them from being stupid and forcing there stupidity on others, thats one thing we can try to determine.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:34 AM
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20. I'm not here to argue faith or religious beliefs with you.
You don't believe in God - I get it.

If you read my post clearly, you'll see that I stated that a belief in God shouldn't preclude someone from believing that the very same God could have created evolution. It did not state that God exists, that ID is valid, or that evolution is invalid.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:00 PM
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22. You made the point...
"why is it so hard to believe that this same God could have created evolution?" and I replied with a legitimate question. From what I know about the scientific method the god equation just does not make any sense (I speak as a microbiologist and one educated in the sciences). Science explains evolution very nicely without any of the magic or superstition that religion evokes.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 02:01 PM
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28. I'm not trying to argue that God created evolution. I'm trying to argue that,
for believers in God-as-supreme-creator, there's nothing that I'm aware of to say that God didn't or couldn't have created evolution. So, I'm not sure why some fundies have reduced this to EITHER evolution OR intelligent design, but not both. I just don't undertand why they have taken such a zero-sum attitude about it.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 07:24 PM
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32. The problem with the fundies...
is they reject science outright. There is no discussion with these people. They are right because they believe in the literal interpretation of the bible and since evolution is not in the scripture it does not exist. The more liberal religions will accept evolution with the caveat that it is a "god" directed evolution, which, as a scientist I have a problem mixing religion and science. I accept the null hypothesis that a god or "gods" don't exist until otherwise proven in the context of scientific proof, which is my prerogative working in the realm of science.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:58 AM
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14. IDers assume that if evolution is wrong, ID must be right.
which is a false assumption.

We had an ID vs. evolution debate at one of the universities here a couple years ago, and the guy on the evolution side completely stumped the IDer in his opening remarks. He basically said "OK, for the sake of tonight's debate, lets assume that evolution is completly wrong. What evidence is there that ID is right?" The IDer had to dump about 90% of his prepared material, because it was all based on trying to show that evolution was wrong.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:26 AM
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19. lol
reminds me of a debate waaaaay back in college. pagan vs christians

By the rules set by the professor, we were limited in reference material to a few chapters in our text books

The text was pretty limited regarding arguments for Pagans, so my group went a chapter or two ahead to form our arguments.

We were leading, but then one of the christians pointed out that our arguments didn't conform to the "allowed" text and therefore we were in violation of the rules.

From there it went pretty rough for us -- but rules are rules ... :evilgrin:

The christians pounded us with "God" being the true god, and going to heaven after death.

I told my debate partner to keep talking, give me a couple of minutes. I flipped through the "allowed" text. Suspicions confirmed - no where in the "allowed text" did it say GOD existed, nor did it say people would go to heaven.

I pointed out that the entire basis of Christian's arguments did not conform to the allowed text, that no where did it say God existed.

Although this blew them out of the water - they tried to scramble and say belief in God was based on faith.

Our response -- belief in Zeus or Jupiter was based on faith.





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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:08 AM
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17. I think that the original intelligent design theory
before it got hijacked by the creationists was just that evolution exists but is not random rather an intelligent designer started it. Like everything else the fundies have so twisted and distorted this theory to equate to creationism when in actually its just a way of explaining why evolution exists and not a competing theory.:dunce:
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:01 AM
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4. Sorry....Doondoo...but you misspelled a word in your post.
The correct English is "Bored Game". :)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:21 AM
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6. Here it is (with reviews by evolutionists)
Edited on Tue Feb-20-07 09:21 AM by The Straight Story


http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=536

What evolutionists are already saying:

"You think Bush is bad?? I've found something worse . . . Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort's board game!"

". . . made me spit my water out."

". . . a board game by two idiots in North America who are ex-nothings will prove science wrong."

"I get the feeling that this game will not be allowed to be sold most places."

"I'd love to buy this game, then completely rip apart every 'brain card' online with cold, hard data!"
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:29 AM
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7. I'm sorry,
But the phrases "make people think" and "evangelistic" should never, ever appear in the same paragraph together. The incompatibility of those two concepts is almost as bad as matter and anti-matter.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:30 AM
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8. People who try to prove Biblical Creation over Natural Selection have no faith.
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GreenZoneLT Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:45 AM
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11. Fools.
Sigh. It makes me sad to see people waste their lives on silly cults like this "God" nonsense, when all evidence of geological and life history were simply created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster to test our faith in his noodly appendages.

In the name of the Farfalle, the Sun-Dried and the Holy Gemelli, praise be unto his name. Ramen.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:45 AM
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10. Where would genetics be without evolution?
How many viral infections have been cured and eliminated? Was it intelligence to create all the mutant strains of virus?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:51 AM
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12. .
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:32 PM
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25. where the fuck is that picture from?
:rofl: :rofl:
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:59 AM
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15. I think ID stands for IDiocy
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:04 AM
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16. pseudoscience is fun!
That should be the title of this game. love to know just how many actual science classes Cameron actually had.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:39 AM
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21. I'm so confused
I thought global warming was the greatest hoax of modern times...
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:07 PM
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23. I think it is a toss up...
You have the anti-global warming, anti science idiots on one side and on the other side you have the anti-evolution, anti-science idiots. One group will be barking louder than the other depending on the time of day or the season. There is also a blending of the two groups because stupid people tend to congregate together and their is a commonality, both groups are anti-science.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:09 PM
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24. You know the old saying ... a fool and his money are soon
voting straight-ticket Republican ...
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:46 PM
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26. I will probably buy this game
It would make a nice gag gift
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:50 PM
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27. The game sucks
Not that I've played it, mind you, but preachy games always suck, because they're designed by preachers and not by people who know how to make games fun.

I was vaguely hoping this might be an ID-parody game (see for example, "Illuminati" or "Burn in Hell"):
http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/
http://www.sjgames.com/burninhell/

No such luck.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 02:02 PM
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29. I hope it comes with a free mallet
That way, you can hit yourself in the head repeatedly until you're just as stupid as Kirk Cameron.

Of course, if you actually pay for the game, you may not need that mallet.
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