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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:18 PM
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Huckabee and 'prayer closets' for kids

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/12/24/104520/57


Mike Huckabee with Bill Gothard Last Week in Houston


As recently reported by The Cincinnati Beacon, presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has close ties to fringe evangelist/tycoon Bill Gothard, who runs the little-known Chicago-area Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP) and a string of affiliated businesses. It’s been widely reported that Gothard’s organizations advocate strict authoritarianism and blind obedience. Allegations of child abuse such as locking kids for extended periods in “prayer closets” and other misconduct have led to investigations.

According to a recent In These Times cover story, “The Cult of Character,” Gothard oversees an evangelical empire “which brings in an estimated profit of at least $63 million annually.” For example, see these photos of “IBLP’s beautiful Guadalajara Training Center property” which looks like a 5-star resort. Among the many hats Gothard wears, he’s “Chancellor" of a non-accredited school and founder of the “Medical Training Institute of America” which recommends such unconventional treatments as calling “elders of the church for prayer before receiving medical treatment for a serious illness” and annointing with oils.

Then there’s the “Character Cities” movement, Gothard’s secular front which infiltrates the public sector and chips away at the wall between church and state by bringing their quasi-religious programs into schools, prisons, police departments, etc. - sometimes on the taxpayer dollar. We originally got onto the story because Phil Heimlich, former Hamilton County commissioner and Gothard fan who’s now running against fellow Republican Jean Schmidt, brought the Character program to Cincinnati.

More people learned about Gothard a few weeks ago when Colorado church shooter Matthew Murray was identified as having been raised and home-schooled in an extreme Gothardite program.

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Perhaps Huckabee’s recent rise in the polls will motivate big media to finally take a closer look into the glitzy empire of his friend and supporter Bill Gothard.
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CON MEN! - religious con men

thinking of McBeth: out, out damn religious con men. weed them out of society.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:21 PM
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1. I wish people like him would keep their praying in the closet n/t
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:23 PM
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2. Carrie! nt
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:03 PM
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8. my thoughts exactly
If Huckabee supports this crap, just one more of many reasons I've found lately to consider him dangerous.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:28 PM
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3. Inspiraton from the movie Carrie?
Huckabee's a nutter and an opportunist, so it isn't surprising to see him fellowship with like-minded individuals.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:35 PM
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4. I was put in a prayer closet when I was a kid. Oh, wait....
That was just the crazy babysitter.

:(
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:36 PM
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5. Maybe this is how the "Come out of the closet"
expression started?
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:37 PM
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6. Does he make his dog-killing son cover up his dirty pillows?
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 02:04 PM
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12. It took me 16 years to get that terrifying movie out of my mind and "dirty pillows"
just brought it all back.

Thank you! :)
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:39 PM
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7. Prayer Closets!? You mean that shit is REAL?
I thought that something solely from the twisted mind of Stephen King.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:22 PM
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9. Huckabee is a whole lot more dangerous
than he seems at first glance. Hopefully more information will begin to surface about his ties to the dominionist/rapture right in the MSM.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:25 PM
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10. Whackjob (non) Christian evangelists teaming up with
whackjob politicians is nothing new. Here in Texas we have the neocons and John Hagee, the ultimate endtimer, who pays himself a $1,000,000 a year and has an 8,000 acre ranch as his parsonage. Scum!

Huckabilly is a first class loon and just as bad as the extreme taliban.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:39 PM
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11. This is the American Taliban...Did the US citizenry NOT learn after 9/11 that...
...religious extremeism is DANGEROUS?

I guess not.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 02:22 PM
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13. More Huckabee Absurdity
Every time Huckabee starts talking about religion he comes off looking like an ignoramus. MSNBC reports on a conversation Huckabee had with reporters on his campaign bus that included this gem:

"The Ten Commandments form the basis of most of our laws and therefore, you know if you look through them does anybody find anything there that would be all that objectionable? I don't think most people would if they actually read them," he said.
Utter nonsense. I can't see how anyone who has actually read them could possibly think that they are the basis of "most of our laws. Of the ten commandments, only two would even be constitutional in the United States, with a third being constitutional in limited circumstances. The other 7 could not possibly be the basis for any law because they would be clearly unconstitutional. Let's take a look at them one by one:

1. Thou shall have no other Gods before me............
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/12/more_huckabee_absurdity.php

Also then there is this contradictary comment by the Huckster on YouTube where he apparently bellieves it is not a sin to commit suicide...
Huckabee Suggests Opponents Commit Suicide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM


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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 02:28 PM
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14. Kicking and Recommending!


A Huckabee Presidency would make all our worst nightmares come true at once. ANYONE else would be preferable.

He is far more telegenic than anybody we've got. If he makes it to the general election, we're toast!
I believe the only way he can be defeated is if large numbers of Democrats cross over to vote against him in the Republican primaries.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 02:34 PM
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15. Yikes! I really pray these theocrats dont get elected!
:scared:
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