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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:05 PM
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Did Bush Watch the Torture Tapes?
The Times (London) Washington correspondent, Sarah Baxter, reporting with a summary of the developments in the case involving the CIA’s destruction of recordings of the treatment of Abu Zabaydah, points to the growing belief in Washington that President Bush viewed the torture tapes. Baxter reports:

"It emerged yesterday that the CIA had misled members of the 9-11 Commission by not disclosing the existence of the tapes, in potential violation of the law. President George W Bush said last week he could not recall learning about the tapes before being briefed about them on December 6 by Michael Hayden, the CIA director. “It looks increasingly as though the decision was made by the White House,” said Johnson. He believes it is “highly likely” that Bush saw one of the videos, as he was interested in Zubaydah’s case and received frequent updates on his interrogation from George Tenet, the CIA director at the time.

"It has emerged that the CIA did preserve two videotapes and an audiotape of detainee interrogations conducted by a foreign government, which may have been relevant to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the Al-Qaeda conspirator. The CIA told a federal judge in 2003 that no such recordings existed but has now retracted that testimony. One of the tapes could show the interrogation of Ramzi Binalshibh, a September 11 conspirator, who was allegedly handed to Jordan for questioning."

In this regards, the sequence of statements out of the White House is extremely revealing. It started with firm denials, then went silent and then pulled back rather sharply to a “President Bush has no present recollection of having seen the tapes.” This is a formulation frequently used to avoid perjury charges, a sort of way of saying “no” without really saying “no.” In between these statements, two more things unfolded that have a bearing on the question.

The New York Times squarely placed four White House lawyers in the middle of the decision about whether to destroy the tapes—Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, John Bellinger and Harriet Miers. It also reported that at least one of them was strongly advocating destruction. Suspicion immediately fell on the principle mover in support of torture, David Addington.

Second, John Kiriakou clarified his statements about the purpose for which the tapes were made. It was to brief higher ups about the process of the interrogation. Reports persist that one “higher-up” in particular had a special strong interest in knowing the details of the Abu Zubaydah case. His name is George W. Bush.

more at link: http://harpers.org/archive/2007/12/hbc-90002025
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:08 PM
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1. Maybe that explains why the tapes were destroyed
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 07:08 PM by ck4829
Nobody wants to share their collection of snuff films for the whole world to see.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:09 PM
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2. are you kidding? They'd be like porn to him
Imagine him sitting there with a big woodie (well big for him anyway) drooling and pumping away as he watches.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:04 PM
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4. I was about to post the same thing
Porn, woodie OF COURSE he watched! And of course he watched saddam's hanging in real time. He had a woodie then too.

He is a legal serial killer.
tib
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:39 PM
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15. he and Cheney had a circle jerk
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:34 PM
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3. Frog march time.
The Hague beckons.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:56 PM
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5. of course he watched
but did he have butter on his popcorn?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:01 PM
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7. not popcorn, pretzels.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:36 PM
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14. but was he in bed alone at the time or was Laura there with him?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:59 PM
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6. K&R, big #5!1 n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:01 PM
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8. Are you kidding....this is what gets
W off....he's a Sadist and lives for watching the destruction, suffering, and pain of others.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:08 PM
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9. The article failed to mention the "WH had asked CIA to NOT destroy the tapes" headline day
From the moment I saw that headline, I KNEW that Bush had seen the tapes and had ordered them dsstroyed.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:14 PM
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10. Not Only Did He Watch, He Soiled Many Tissues Doing So
And I'm not joking. This is probably precisely the sort of deviant stuff his sexual/masturbatory fantasies revolve around.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:15 PM
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11. He was forced to watch a DVD of Katrina. However, these are the only
tapes he probably ASKED to see.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:18 PM
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12. No way, he's too much of a wimp
all talk, no game
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:32 PM
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13. If he watched, he watched a minute or less, got bored, and wandered off to his video games
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:09 AM
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16. I doubt it.
Bush never struck me as the kind who’d actually want to know the REAL details, as opposed to the sanitized version that his aides doubtless pass along.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:31 PM
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17. probably while wacking off...
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