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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:07 AM
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TIME commentary: Enough with Bush's shoving democracy down the throats of Mideast, Muslim world
Enough with Democracy!
By ROBERT BAER
Thursday, Dec. 27, 2007

Benazir Bhutto's assassination Thursday should put a bitter end to the Bush administration's misguided policy of shoving democracy down the throat of the Middle East and Muslim world. Since 9/11 there has not been a single country in that region that has had peaceful and successful elections. Hamas's victory in Gaza, the stalemate in Lebanon, elections in Iraq and now Pakistan — none of them have led to the stability, modernity, and civil society this administration promised us.

The common denominator between Pakistan, Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq is an ongoing war, wars without end, wars that poison democracy. The Bush administration is particularly culpable in creating the chaos in Pakistan because it forced a premature reconciliation between President Musharraf and Bhutto; it forced Musharraf to lift martial law; it showered money on Musharraf to fight a war that was never popular in Pakistan. The administration could not understand that it can't have both in Pakistan — a democracy and a war on terrorism.

The immediate reaction in the United Sates will be visceral: al-Qaeda killed Bhutto because she was too secular and too close to the United States, an agent of American imperialism. It will be of some comfort that the front lines of terrorism are thousands of miles away; that we are fighting "them" there rather than in lower Manhattan; that there are heroes like Bhutto ready to fight and die for democracy, moderation and rationality.

But this misses the point. The real problem in Pakistan undermining democracy is that it is a deeply divided, artificial country, created by the British for their expediency rather than for the Pakistanis. Independent Pakistan has always been dominated by a strong military. And democracy will only be nurtured when the wars on its border come to an end, whether in Afghanistan or Kashmir, and the need for the military to meddle in politics is removed. And never before.

Another irony underscored by Bhutto's assassination is that after 9/11 the Bush administration justified going to war in Iraq to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction. But as of today all that it has managed to do is invade two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq, neither of which has weapons of mass destruction, while leaving Iran and Pakistan to fester — two countries that one day very well promise to threaten us with their weapons of mass destruction....

(Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer assigned to the Middle East, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of "See No Evil" and, most recently, the novel "Blow the House Down.")

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1698607,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:16 AM
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1. K&R
:kick:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:17 AM
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2. kick
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 11:18 AM by alyce douglas
doesn't seem to me W is pushing democracy especially if he doesn't even know the meaning of it, but he likes being dictator, taking notes from his friend Musharraf.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:28 AM
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3. Democracy has to come from within.
It will never take hold in a place where tribe and family come before country.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:44 AM
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5. When actual democratic elections are held over there, they
usually vote for a theocratic Muslim regime, and then the US desn't want to recognize it. The US doesn't want democracy at all--it wants regimes that support US intervention. The US is always willing to overthrow democratically elected regimes--like Allende in Chile, or Chavez in Venezuela--if those regimes don't toe the US line.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:59 AM
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10. Hear, hear. It can't come at the point of a gun. Otherwise, it's just a cruel joke.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:37 AM
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4. Bush hates democracy, so let's drop the Big Lie. What he WANTS, with Cheney, is U.S. OWNERSHIP of
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 11:38 AM by WinkyDink
the entire WORLD.

If using the word "democracy" will aid in this endeavor, so be it. But if the phrase "Polly wants a cracker" worked, THAT is what Bush would be "shoving".
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:46 AM
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6. Ding!Ding! We have a Winner Here!!
Exactly!time to cut the Bullshit if we ever want to get REAL in this country again..maintaining Civility in language has been used against the American people by Traitorous Thugs, and a Treasonous Press..

All promote the Big Lie, and that's what this Period in History should be called "The Big Lie"

And it worked like a mother fucker, oh yes it did.. :)

Thanks for telling it like it is my Friend!
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:50 AM
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7. More propaganda - democracy??
Since when has Bush been interested in democracy - here or anywhere else?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:53 AM
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8. We have to support democracy over there so we can still pretend we have it here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:56 AM
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9. Is Robert Baer really this stupid? n/t
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