Biden/Dodd 2008

or vice versa. With the events in the Middle East as volatile as they are, we need to elect people who have as much foreign policy experience and understanding as possible. Charisma and great ideas are good, but foreign policy expertise is essential.

Do any of our other candidates even come close?

We need as many Democrats in the Senate as we can get!

Dodd for Majority Leader.

And quite honestly I don't think the other candidates come even close to these two!

Harry Reid clearly is not working.

Biden is the complete corpocrat. His utter contempt for people and playing waterboy for the credit card companies and medical debtholders is despicable. He should be booted from he Senate and humiliated in the presidential primaries. He is a vile human being.

FreeRepublic ban you or something??? What a stupid and uninformed comment.

I bet there's a "pod" somewhere close by....

I just don't understand how Biden has any support at all.

violence against women act then. According to your profile, you're a female. Biden has a long standing record of protecting women. Just like he did by signing the BK bill;



As I have posted many, many, times on this board, Joe voted for the BK bill, for women and children. Under the old BK laws, divorced women with children were the last ones to be paid, if the deadbeat dad filed a BK. Now, they are the first ones to be paid. If you ever question why Joe votes for anything, go look at the floor statements on his website. They will clearly give you an idea of where his interest were. Not in some bank, as has been previously speculated on. There's just no denying that Joe has stood up for women's rights, in a big way. As in the violence against women act, and now, the International violence against women act. But, no "bill" will ever work for all people. There are a lot of people who respect the revisions of the 2005 BK bill. I am one of them.

My best friend is about to reap the rewards of this bill. Her X has just filed a BK, after leaving her without ANY child support, for 2 children, 8 & 6, for 4 years, and just on Thursday of last week, thought that he could get out of paying her by filing a BK. Well, it's people like him that will not be able to get away with it now. He claimed to have lost his 135K yr. job, and had protested ANY request for documentation for his current financial status. Her attorney called for deposition, forcing discovery. Then came back and filed a BK. I know for a fact that he hid money, and that he is also still working, under the table. Under the new law, he will be fully investigated by the courts.

A Senator sometimes has to vote for a bad bill, if there is something in it they truly want. I believe that was Joe's dilemma on the BK bill. But you can look for yourself, and see his financial contributions from banks from 1998, and it's not very impressive.

JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.: CAREER PROFILE (SINCE 1989)

Top Industries
The top industries supporting Joseph R. Biden Jr. are:
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $6,265,871
2 Real Estate $1,172,230
3 Retired $853,148
4 Securities & Investment $839,775
5 Misc Finance $499,470
6 Misc Business $462,641
7 Business Services $455,925
8 Health Professionals $382,275
9 TV/Movies/Music $364,666
10 Lobbyists $333,185
11 Finance/Credit Companies $294,650
12 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $294,249
13 Pro-Israel $272,700
14 Commercial Banks $269,050
15 Education $249,725
16 Insurance $223,975
17 Retail Sales $186,400
18 General Contractors $175,550
19 Accountants $136,935
20 Democratic/Liberal $129,490

So, that's about a $563,000 bucks in 18 years. Or $31,000 a year in contributions. I doubt he did it for the banks, at all.

From his floor statement;

When a deadbeat dad files for bankruptcy under the current system, what happens to mom and the kids?

Well, if the dad is actually making the payments, those payments stop. That's right, the payments stop cold. Mom then has to find a lawyer or a government advocate, take time off of work, and go to bankruptcy court to try to get those payments started again. And when she goes to court, her claim may not be heard that day, so she'll have to return again and again... or if she's late, she'll miss her day in court.

What else happens under current law? When dad's bill collectors show up in bankruptcy court, mom has to fight with them over dad's assets. There's a good chance that mom not only needs her payments started again, but she is due past support--support payments dad never made last month, last year. She needs him to pay her back for all the payments he failed to make.

And in asserting her claim, she is not the “Number 1" collector in line. Under current law, she is Number 7. That's right – Not So Lucky Number 7. The current Code permits other bill collectors to beat her in the race to get at dad's assets. The current law handicaps her at the starting line. She is forced to wage a fight to make sure she and the kids receive their due.

And what happens after she fights it out with the bill collectors? Well, under the current system, she might be lucky and get every dollar due. But, she may only get a portion of what is due or she may not get one red cent.

That's not right. If a bankrupt household is a sinking ship, then women and children should be protected first. This is what the current law fails to do, but it is what this bill does: it puts women and children first.

The deadbeat ex provision should have been in another bill. The rest of the bill is causing true suffering. The inaility to discharge medical debt and the doubling of credit card minimum payments were so anti-poor-and middle class I just can't comprehend why he has any support at all.

this is a dead horse. You're a little late to the party.

correct and 1corona4u can't handle the truth. She/he, after all, pulled himself/herself up by her/his own bootstraps and has NO COMPASSION for those who can't. 1corona4u LIKES the bankruptcy bill!

Delaware is the home of many financial institution and Biden, like any other senator, has to have his constituents in mind.

None of them is perfect. If we could get an ideal candidate by picking specific parts of each and mold them together - we would.

But we need people like Biden to do the good work, which he has done. Plus, this bill passed under a Republican controlled Congress and White House.

:(

Biden's bankruptcy vote pisses me off. PLEASE )Biden supporters) don't give me all the excuses about how he HAD to vote for that bill in order to help women and children. I've read them all and think it's pure crap.

Dodd, on the other hand, ROCKS!:yourock:

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm genuinely interested in why you think so. Just an FYI, I support Edwards, but I think both Dodd and Biden would be great candidates. It just seems to me that Biden had the best of intentions in voting for that bill, and I can't think of any ulterior motives for him doing so. Why do you think he does?

bankruptcy bill? His son use to be VP of the MBNA. There's NO DOUBT Joe still has connections to the CC company big whigs. Payback for all they did for his son? Maybe? Who knows? He could have voted against that horrendous piece of crap bill and uses the women and children/child support issue as an excuse to vote for it. That doesn't wash with me. OTHER people voted against it. Why didn't he? He's the ONLY DEM candidate Senator/Congressman running who voted for the damn thing.. BIG MISTAKE. John Edwards voted for a similar bill in 2000, FYI (since you're an Edwards supporter).

Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005
(another 1984 / Down is Up name for a bill)

* Joe Biden - Yes - His statement here.
* Hillary Clinton - Did not vote due to family medical emergency. Would have vote No. Her statement here.
* Chris Dodd - No - Click here to find several speeches regarding this bill.
* John Edwards - Not in Senate in 2005, but voted Yes on a similar bill in 2000.
* Dennis Kucinich - No - His statement here.
* Barack Obama - No - No public statement on this bill.

http://bluelyon.blogspot.com/2007/02/better-know-candidate-bankruptcy-bill.html

I mean, it IS the BK bill.

This is a stupid argument, and one that I am DAMN sick and tired of having, because of PINHEADS who fail to see the truth. Your allegations have been debated USING factual information, and yet, you IGNORE it.

Totally fucking PERSONAL BULLSHIT reasons behind it. You're pissed OFF that people won't vote for your stupid FUCKING elf candidate. He should be making cookies in a tree somewhere.

Nothing more.

so-called "facts" where the sun doesn't shine! Biden is a WHORE for the CC companies and the sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be when he's NOT elected POTUS! He doesn't have a chance in hell of being elected.

OKAY....in plain ENGLISH, ONCE MORE FOR THE DENSE......I AM NOT A "KOOCH SUPPORTER" OR A "HILLARY SUPPORTER." Repeat that 100 times and maybe it will sink into your thick freakin' skull. K? Got it now?

There ARE others in this thread. DUH.

:eyes: cover your ass because, as usual, you're WRONG.

don't have to prove shit to you. YOU prove he isn't a whore. You're the one who so blindly supports him.

You're just throwing bullshit out there hoping it sticks. TOTAL BULLSHIT, and YOUR opinion does NOT make it the truth.

I don't support him blindly, but I KNOW he's not a LIAR either. I believe he did it for the WOMEN and children.

You don't, but stop spreading BULLSHIT as if it's FACT.

Now I am DONE wasting MY TIME on this MORONIC topic. And you.

P fucking S. Welcome to MY LIST.

doesn't mean he hasn't done favors for THEM....like voting for the Bankruptcy Bill. Get a grip.

Somebody should start a Biden has bad hair thread and see where that goes.

While Obama didn't vote for the BK bill, BUT, he voted NO on CAPPING interest rates, for credit card companies, and the like, at 30%. Where's the OUTRAGE about that???

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"It’s not always clear what Obama’s financial backers want, but it seems safe to conclude that his campaign contributors are not interested merely in clean government and political reform. And although Obama is by no means a mouthpiece for his funders, it appears that he’s not entirely indifferent to their desires either.

Consider the case of Illinois-based Exelon Corporation, the nation’s leading nuclear-power-plant operator. The firm is Obama’s fourth largest patron, having donated a total of $74,350 to his campaigns. During debate on the 2005 energy bill, Obama helped to vote down an amendment that would have killed vast loan guarantees for power-plant operators to develop new energy projects. The loan guarantees were called “one of the worst provisions in this massive piece of legislation” by Taxpayers for Common Sense and Citizens Against Government Waste; the public will not only pay millions of dollars in loan costs but will risk losing billions of dollars if the companies default.

In one of his earliest votes, Obama joined a bloc of mostly conservative and moderate Senate Democrats who helped pass a G.O.P.-driven class-action “reform” bill. The bill had been long sought by a coalition of business groups and was lobbied for aggressively by financial firms, which constitute Obama’s second biggest single bloc of donors.

Although The Bond Market Association didn’t lobby directly on the legislation, Williams took note of Obama’s vote. “He’s a Democrat, and some people thought he’d do whatever the trial lawyers wanted, but he didn’t do that,” he said. “That’s a testament to his character.” Obama has voted on one bill that was of keen interest to Williams’s members: last year’s hotly contested bankruptcy bill, which made filing for bankruptcy more difficult and gives creditors more recourse to recover debts. Obama voted against the bill, but Williams was pleased that he did side with The Bond Market Association position on a number of provisions. Most were minor technical matters, but he also opposed an important amendment, which was defeated, that would have capped credit-card interest rates at 30 percent. “He studied the issue,” Williams said. “Some assumed he would just go along with consumer advocates, but he voted with us on several points. He understood the issue. He wasn’t closed-minded. A lot of people found that very refreshing.”

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As of this summer, Obama had raised nearly $16 million for his original Senate run and for his 2010 reelection war chest. He has taken in an additional $3.8 million for the Hopefund, his leadership PAC. Such PACs are subject to fewer restrictions on raising and spending money than general campaign funds. Over a six-year term, a senator can raise a maximum of $4,200 per individual donor; the same donor can give as much as $30,000 to the senator’s leadership PAC during that same period. Traditionally, leadership PACs were established by veteran members of Congress, but now they are set up by anyone who hopes to work his or her way up through party ranks. Last year, the Hopefund took in more than any other leadership PAC except for those of Bill Frist, John McCain, and John Kerry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.


http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

You're making a fool out of yourself.

A simple search shows what threads you post on. You're going to have to pick another candidate since Dodd won't be viable. I know who you're looking at, because I did a search.

Lotsa luck!

I'm bookmarking so I can come back later to read your apology since you won't be finding ANY thread where I say I support Obama.....or "Kooch"....or Hillary....because they don't exist.:rofl:

much like their candidate, fail to see that sometimes, when senators, and congressmen, want something, and it's a PART of a bill, they have to take the good part, along with the bad to get it. Even if it's an unpopular bill. DK never learned how to do this. DK thinks everything should be his way, or no way at all. That's why he will never be elected to POTUS.

"Hillary supporter?" The last time I voiced my negative OPINION of your candidate you accused me of being a Hillary supporter!:eyes: Not everyone has to agree with your candidate's love of the CC companies and how he has hurt the poor and less fortunate in this country. The other candidates had the courage to vote AGAINST the bill.

Go read what I just posted and then tell me how fucked up the BK bill is.

You are really pathetic.:eyes: Biden is a CC company whore and you know it. Why are you so defensive if he's not. You KNOW he is. That's why.

PROVE IT.

a CC corporate whore. You're the one who supports him.

seems like a pretty grievous sin to me.

That's more than some candidates have done. Dodd admits mistakes.

Publicly;


"It was a mistake," Biden says. "I regret my vote. I regret not realizing how incompetent (the Bush administration) would be. The president did not level with us. And if I had known it, I would never have voted to give him that authority in the first place."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2828.html

The whole idea basically was a death threat between nations. Did Biden think that the sequence and logic of such legislation would make the execution of war impossible?

If so then he is not half as clever as he thinks.

you really need help.

a ticket has to complement each other.

I think that Wes Clark can be an excellent VP for whoever the candidate is.