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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:34 PM
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Obama: U.S. needs to come down hard on Musharraf (Wants all military aid cut off)
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 05:35 PM by Dems Will Win
Hillary has said make aid conditional, still giving Musharaff military aid, while Obama is trying to weaken Musharaff militarily and force him to make clean elections. Obama is calling for a "suspension" of military aid.

Obama: U.S. needs to come down hard on Musharraf

December 28, 2007
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter
WILLIAMSBURG, Iowa -- A day after former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, White House hopeful Barack Obama said the United States needs to come down hard on Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf.

Obama said today he would suspend any military aid to Pakistan not directly going to fight al Qaida until Musharraf gets “serious” about stomping out the group.

“We have poured billions of dollars in support to President Musharraf,” Obama told hundreds of supporters who braved a snowstorm to hear him at the Mary Welsh Elementary School. “This despite the fact that he has suspended democratic practices in Pakistan. He has not obeyed the constitution. He has put the chief justice there under house arrest, still has political prisoners and the press is suppressed. As we’re supposed to be leading up to elections.”


Obama and most of the other Democratic and Republican presidential candidates are scrambling around Iowa amid heavy snowfall today with just days to go before next week’s caucuses.

“As long as we are supporting somebody who the Pakistani people themselves believe has subverted democracy, that strengthens the hand of the Islamic militants,” Obama told the crowd.

Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, made a similar plea to cut foreign aid to Pakistan and has even called on President Bush to ask Musharraf to step down.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/717203,obama122807.article


Here is what Hillary just told CNN on military aid to Pakistan from here on out:

I think we do need to condition aid. I would do it differently. I would say, look, we want to know very specifically what accountability you’re going to offer to us for the military aid that we believe should be going in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

...

I have found that President Musharraf is someone that needs, in my opinion, to have a very consistent message and then frankly the help that would come with helping him and those who are in leadership positions understanding that this is not just about the United States - obviously, we have a very important national security interest. This is about what happens to Pakistan.

President Musharraf could become as important to the future of Pakistan if he changed course and began to act in a way that would create more confidence to have these free and fair elections, to restore an independent judiciary, to take the shackles off the press, to say that he trusted the Pakistani people. That’s what I’m hoping will happen over the next weeks.



What Hil doesn't understand and Obama does is that Musharaff is beyond redemption, that he is just a puppet anyway, we need to move on and act differently from now on. Aiding Musharaff militarily just keeps the moderates from taking back the power he took from them in '98.

By the way, Obama was calling for this cutoff in military aid to Musharaff BEFORE the assassination of Bhutto. That is important to point out.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:35 PM
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1. K&R!
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:50 PM
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2. There is this thing called "strategy"
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 05:51 PM by The Traveler
And right now, we need one to transition from Musharraf to ... what? Part of the problem is that with Bhutto's murder, we are confronted with a real shortage of viable alternatives. Others will rise, that can be certain. They must be identified and cultivated before we make a move that would likely produce one of two icky outcomes:

1. Musharraf says "Fuck you, godless American pig" and embraces a jihadi movement, garneshing some local support. Given the current condition of our military, a strike into Pakistan is problematic, especially given uncertainty about the reaction of the Russian Federation.

2. Musharraf is destabilized to the point where extremist elements are able to take control of one or more nuclear weapons and the genie is out of the bottle. That nightmare scenario forces a military response to seize or destroy said weapons ... a mission that in a turbulent situation faces long odds against success.

In the mean time, I doubt the Indians are urging those carrying gas cans on to the rising bonfire. Right now, everyone needs to take a minute, gather more information, and try to cool the situation down.

Obama's comments surprise me. Normally, he is a great deal more measured and reasoned in his approach to significant issues. I disagree with Obama on several points I regard as vital, which is why I support Edwards, but I do respect his method of approach to most matters. In this case, I believe he really went from a gut level reaction and did not fully consider the implications of his position.

I wouldn't recommend anyone hold this particularly against him or anything ... if nothing else I admit I would enjoy pulling the plug on that little tin dictator myself. But since these guys have nukes, we need to think, speak, and act carefully. I got money that says a President Obama would not be so rash, but would quietly be working towards the day when Musharraf could be pushed out of power without risking a nuclear crisis.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:52 PM
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3. That's right. Who gives a shit if they have nuclear weapons
His inexperience and naivete continues to rear its scary head:nuke: :scared: :nuke:
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 06:14 PM
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4. Stupid remark. ~ Obama is obviously not ready for Prime Time.
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