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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:04 PM
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The table is set for impeachment, Mdm. Speaker. How about some service over here?
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 03:47 PM by IDemo
Despite Speaker of the House Nanci Pelosi's stated removal of impeachment from the proverbial table, reasons exist for planting it squarely in place back on that table. The question of whether impeachment not only should but must be pursued by the House has been ignored entirely by the media, which gives Pelosi a pass on her decision simply because it is "politically wise" with an important election looming (if you call one year away "looming"). This, even with overwhelming evidence of the high crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration.

The reason I believe Pelosi is required to pursue impeachment: she took an oath (or affirmation) of office swearing to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. An oath of office isn't like the pledge of allegiance; having recited the pledge will not be used against one in any court of law if she later denies the under-Godness of the republic or the existence of liberty and justice for all. An oath is different. A witness in a criminal case takes an oath upon "swearing in" and becomes criminally culpable for lying, withholding information, or failure to appear. Taking an oath obliges one to uphold the terms and principles found within that oath. Ignoring an oath of office, either directly or by obfuscation, means an office holder has failed to uphold a binding agreement and is unfit to remain in office.

It is not Ms. Pelosi's impeachment that I would seek for failure to uphold her oath. But if she fails to see that an impeachment proceeding is fully warranted for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, she needs to be replaced as House Speaker and as a representative of the people next November. The people spoke without ambiguity last election: get us out of Iraq, and investigate the criminal cabal running roughshod over civil liberties, the rule of law, and the Constitution. Instead, Congress has rubber stamped the White House agenda, with only an occasional pronouncement of displeasure or unenforced subpoena.

The table is set for impeachment, Madame Speaker. How about some service over here?


US Constitution, Article VI (excerpted) - The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution.

Congressional Oath of Office - I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

The year 1862 saw the addition of several words to the public oath of office because of a nation fractured by the Civil War. "And defend" was added to "support the Constitution" to require an active effort in one's support. "Against all enemies, foreign and domestic" was added at this time as well, for obvious reasons. The words "That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion" were added by Lincoln and Congress to ensure that Union soldiers would not defect to the South.


Add your name to Congressman Wexler's call for impeachment -> http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/



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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:06 PM
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1. The horse is dead
Please stop beating it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:11 PM
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2. Which horse? The Constitution?
:eyes:

NGU.


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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:06 PM
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9. Lay out for me the mechanics of conducting an impeachment ...
....with 12 months left in the term
....during an election year
....with a one seat majority in the Senate
....with the overriding need for healthcare, energy and budget legislation
....with an underwhelming majority in the House
....with little or no buy-in from the minority party
....with Americans and Iraqis dying by the hundreds every month

How can this possibly be done?

Better to prosecute after they leave office, in my opinion. Less of a shield of executive privilege, little or no political obstruction from the GOP, etc.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 07:55 PM
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17. Ya, thats the ticket
Pelosi is waiting for Bush to leave office till she holds him accountable. :eyes:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 11:41 PM
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19. Has nothing to do with Pelosi
Now, tell me again how impeachment is going to work. Don't forget the part about getting 67 Senators to vote for conviction.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:21 AM
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21. Impeachment Is NOT The Same As Conviction
Impeachment is not the same thing as conviction.

Are you suggesting that there should be no impeachment until we can be assured of a conviction?

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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:08 PM
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10. Right on bro... which horse?
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 04:08 PM by FlyingSquirrel
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:14 PM
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3. It is not going to happen ---move on.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:15 PM
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4. If you cannot offer any substantive input to a post: move on
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:16 PM
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5. That pesky Constitution's nothing more than a lousy piece of paper anyway, right?
:eyes:

NGU.


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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:21 PM
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6. Sorry. Nancy Pelosi doesn't wait on tables,
wash floors or do windows.

And I've heard Harry Reid is no better.

It's so hard to find good public servants these days.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:29 PM
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7. Harry Reid murmurs an occasional protest
but introducing the articles of impeachment is up to Pelosi.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:11 PM
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12. True, but I have a strange feeling they are joined at the hip.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:05 PM
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8. "There are those that suggest that there is too little time..."
"...to conduct hearings. This is a dangerous idea, as it signals to future presidents that after the third year of their term, they're effectively immune from serious inquiry. No President or Vice President should have such immunity. The Constitution does not include a statute of limitations."

- Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL)

NGU.


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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:10 PM
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11. I guess whenever there's an election year, the President should...
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 04:12 PM by FlyingSquirrel
do everything they can to subvert the Constitution 'cause it's a bad time to hold impeachment hearings. Especially if they're not running for re-election.

Edit: The Congress still needs to do their job even when a bunch of them are up for re-election.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:19 PM
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13. Good point, which makes me wonder -
How wide of an Impeachment Window® will the next Democratic president be afforded? Something tells me the caution Dems now apply would be kicked downstairs with loud laughter if even one impeachable offense were to be perceived or contrived by the rethugs.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:42 PM
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14. As a matter of fact, in the same blog, Wexler says...
"This administration has obstructed our agenda since we took the majority. There is little reason to think that if we avoid hearings, we will suddenly find ourselves in an easier position. In fact, there is good cause to believe the opposite - that if we avoid hearings, we will STILL be obstructed. Such an outcome would be tragic."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/31/111617/85/837/428339

NGU.



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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:14 PM
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15. Obama just called and asked me to kick this
;-)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 07:45 PM
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16. Hillary called me and begged me not to. So I did.
:evilgrin:

NGU.


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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 08:43 PM
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18. Earlier it was "too soon - these things take time" now, it's "too late".
It's clear that a lot of people, for whatever reason, don't WANT IT.
As far as it being too late, it isn't over till it's over, and the sooner you start, the sooner you finish.
So get started already.

Are there any remedies for congress members that abdicate their responsibilities to defend and protect the Constitution?
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:17 AM
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20. Sorry, not my table!
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